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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Bigger Question. Does holding Yeo help or hinder us keeping Reid long term?

On field they seem close. Off field is it wise spending..

I think it would definitely make holding Reid harder. Kelly would be holding the midfield together with a bunch of kids. I can see how it helps North not sure how it doesn’t make us worse.

 

[briztoon]

That's pretty slow. Tyrell Dewar recorded 84km/h

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I reckon Lucca Greggo is worth a mention too. He had some very good moments and thought Shanahan was pretty good considering the conditions for a tall.

No love for Oliver, he was very very good.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Opinion on Lions 2025 academy prospect Dan Annable?

Want to see if your opinions differ from our board.

I've watched him closer since you asked, I was very impressed. A lot of his work is in tight, but he's extremely high calibre.
Extremely clean, doesn't waste a disposal and doesn't get rushed or fazed in traffic.
My only knock I had was his height, and how that would translate to AFL. But he is an underager so probably still growing, also looked same height as Levi. So maybe I'm being overly critical.
He doesn't seem quick like Ashcroft boys who play similar role, but seems to find space. His 3 games thus far have been very good.
Marshall I rate really highly, he's exact type we need.

 

[Patterz123]

I think it would definitely make holding Reid harder. Kelly would be holding the midfield together with a bunch of kids. I can see how it helps North not sure how it doesn’t make us worse.

Agreed. Reid needs some mature mid's around him, we saw he didn't enjoy the tag two weeks ago.

His chemistry on field is excellent with Yeo, it may just be worth paying 'overs' to keep Yeo.

I'm sure the club can find some middle ground and there's a lot of posturing going on.

 

[the harry]

Sorry for wondering if anyone would take Williams for a pick in the 20s. Just seems completely superfluous to our needs and a way to get another 2nd rounder but looks like the discussion has been detailed

 

[briztoon]

I've watched him closer since you asked, I was very impressed. A lot of his work is in tight, but he's extremely high calibre.
Extremely clean, doesn't waste a disposal and doesn't get rushed or fazed in traffic.
My only knock I had was his height, and how that would translate to AFL. But he is an underager so probably still growing, also looked same height as Levi. So maybe I'm being overly critical.
He doesn't seem quick like Ashcroft boys who play similar role, but seems to find space. His 3 games thus far have been very good.
Marshall I rate really highly, he's exact type we need.

Really appreciate your opinion. I had a big question mark on his disposal by foot, coming in to the year. It's still a work in progress for mine.

Marshall I rate higher than the Camporeale twins, just.

Yeah, we're going to end up with a sub 180cm midfield, with the taller players out wide.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Soldo was a much more rounded, crash and bash ruck. It's why he got poached to be first choice elsewhere.

Really tying yourself in knots trying to explain why the trade market doesn’t value developing or backup rucks except for the developing or backup rucks that have gotten good trade value, aren’t you?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

A solid step up for Sid who was one of SA's best in this game. He was back to somewhere near his explosive and damaging best, regularly surging away from opponents with attacking and direct play. His impact at stoppage is improving week by week and he was better able to run out the full game.

I'm putting his defensive work on watch though. He didn't look interested in chasing and his tackling pressure was non-existent.

Alright, I'm in love. Has the Shuey about him but with even more blistering pace.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Holy ****.

If it's a bidding war at some point they will trigger band 1. Geelong also in the bidding war did caro say.

If it's close to band one/pick 4. Then wce should give Yeo some under the table money to make him move. Maybe a few hungry jacks for his trouble. Yeo being a club man would also agree

The long gamer in me thinks. If we let Yeo go while not ideal we finish last and get dyson

Imagine the mid setup of

1. Dyson Sharp (extractor Tom Green)
2. Harley Reid
3. Sid Draper

Dunno if Dyson Sharp has been mentioned on here but looks a decent mid

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Unfortunately, Dyson “pick” all depends on Chad Warner. If he accepts the deal then our first will be used.

Otherwise yes a midfield group of Reid, Ginbey, Draper, Hewett and Sharp would be crazy good if they all hit their potential.

I also have to question when do we change from gun midfielders and swap our attention to KPP 2025/2026 could be that year. Just a thought…

Agreed. Reid needs some mature mid's around him, we saw he didn't enjoy the tag two weeks ago.

His chemistry on field is excellent with Yeo, it may just be worth paying 'overs' to keep Yeo.

I'm sure the club can find some middle ground and there's a lot of posturing going on.

If it’s Band 1 then we need to let him go.

We can’t posture to Reid on what he wants or is best for him. We do what is best for the club.

And if that means we pack Yeo’s bag for what is Pick 4 (current standings) then we do it, pick up Draper and FOS. Going into 2025 with a wad of cash for Reid and Warner.

 

[Shueygod]

Calling massive BS that EH work rate off field doesnt cut it. Everything ive heard is opposite.

Yep, was about to say this. Have it on very good authority that he is always putting in extra work.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Not this f***** Dev soft cuck boorsheet again.

FFS

 

[Mulldogg]

Alright, I'm in love. Has the Shuey about him but with even more blistering pace.

Going by how awkward that left foot kick looked at the 3:10 mark it’s fair to say the Shuey comparisons are limited to the burst from stoppage.

Certainly not dual sided like Boots.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Yeo’s manager about to say the Lakers are interested to really test our mettle.

Ridiculous money, sure, but he’s simply not squabbling over a few bucks to uproot his entire life and go lose as many games in new colours as he can in his own backyard.

If he does it would have to be godfather, and godfather for three years is band 1, cheers cob. All moot, none of this is real.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Pls stop trying to sell Dev off to us lol.

 

[maverick001]

For band 1 it would have to be at least 3 years at 1.2mill

It has to place him in the top 20 highest earners in the league or it won't get band 1.

So Ben McKay is in the top 20 highest earners in the league

 

[maverick001]

A solid step up for Sid who was one of SA's best in this game. He was back to somewhere near his explosive and damaging best, regularly surging away from opponents with attacking and direct play. His impact at stoppage is improving week by week and he was better able to run out the full game.

I'm putting his defensive work on watch though. He didn't look interested in chasing and his tackling pressure was non-existent.

Please draft

 

[ziad]

On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.

Solid afl player

 

[amazingjoshy]

On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.

Could there be a more boring trade runour than this one? Sure he'd be probably be best 22 I guess but just the definition of "who gives a crap"

I'd rather another 25 pages of DevRob talk

 

[wirra44]

Say what. In terms of out and out speed, Deven Robertson has recorded the third fastest on field time, on our list, behind Starcevich and Cameron.

Brandon Starcevich 34.31km/h
Charlie Cameron 33.98
Deven Robertson 33.84


Runs hard both ways, and largely covers for a few of our "stars" who don't run hard defensively.

There he is I’d knew you’d respond to one of my messages eventually, I’ve noticed Tom Barrass get in the top 5 speed multiple times but he would look like a plodder if you chucked him in the midfield, sure over distance he might be quick hey I’m sure over distance Priddis had a bit of speed but coming out of stoppage or in traffic he’s a plodder, and we don’t need plodders we already have 2 old ones.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

I think Lalor will come home towards the back end of the year like a storm and has the traits to push into the top 3 in the draft. He's the one I see as being the standout at the next level over time.

IMO we really need either FOS to stand up and earn that top 2 spot or some others to come bustling through at which point I would want to split.

If O'Sullivan can smash out the second half of the year then he will likely be in WCE colours next year.

Smillie is looking like a likely outright leader for pick 1 and unless some trade for pick 1 comes up thats too good to knock back I think North will just take him. For all of the mids they've picked he's the one type they really don't have.



Sheed's foot isn't ever getting better, so basically his career is dust and he's just collecting a pay cheque until it's time to retire.

Gaff is done.

Hewett can't get on the park, has very high talent levels but hasn't shown composure at AFL level for one and two that real burning desire to get the best out of himself hasn't been there. He a bit like Liam Ryan isn't the best off field but he's young so we need to give him time. If between himself and the club can get the best out of him he is nigh on as talented as Reid.

Ginbey could be anything, but he could also be just a roleplayer. He's currently second to the ball in almost all contested situations and if he is first to the ball he isn't clean. Needs to work on his pickups at speed. We do know he will do his absolute best to get to the peak of his ability. Not sure he's the centre ball bull we are looking for but does look neater playing from defence. His marking is better than I thought.

Harley Reid is a marquee player and one we can build around.

The club is very short on midfielders and quality disposal from HB in years to come.

Bailey Williams sure we could play him for another couple of years and see if he can develop as a number 1 ruck but imo he's trash as a forward. He is a 50/50 kick and doesn't have great forward craft. He either needs to go full on super strong ruck whilst maintaining a bit of athleticism or his kicking has to improve.

Bazzo is now getting to the point of being a long shot to make it, he's missed a lot of time, family situation, doesn't play taller than he is and is high level kick. He's a better kick than Edwards (Who I don't think makes it either) but at 194 and with his traits it's hard to see him matching up against big forwards.

Archer Reid will be given a few years and I hope he can display his talent but I've seen a lot of this kid of the past few years and he's a project player. Has lots of nice attributes but has shown over an extended period his reading of the play and his attack on the ball and man isn't at the level required. I think he's a long shot as a forward and if he is to make it the club should start trying to develop him as a defender ASAP.

Culley has the fire in the belly and the will to make it, but he's too slow to be a marking forward of choice and he needs to show something in the midfield at AFL level. If he doesn't make it as a mid at AFL level I don't think he makes it.

Baker, delist. WAFL level player

Trew, delist. No versatility, above WAFL level as an inside mid but not good enough to be the inside man at AFL level.

Dewar if he can put it all together is very much a diamond in the rough and could be a very good half forward for us. Needs to put it together in the next 2 years.

Jack Williams has shown a lot more than I expected and over time to me looks more likely as the second ruck / forward. Is a very smart player and whilst he will never be a dominant ruckman he is the sort of second ruck who could average a goal a game or more and is great at halving contests and getting the ball to ground. Since he's got to the club he's just slowly kept getting better. His weakness is his athleticism.

Rotham is a delist when we out of contract. Had all the tools but has two faults. He has been poorly developed imo and thats on the club. Secondly he just doesn't seem to have the vision of what to do next from defence. He just doesn't seem to be able to react to the play quickly enough.

Luke Edwards has a shitload of versatility but is too slow and hasn't shown he can be a main man in the middle. He's a delist.

Harry Edwards to me isn't AFL quality but he could be with the right players around him. You can really only carry one very poor kick in your defensive unit and you can really only do it if your other players are elite kicks.

Chesser is improving, i'm coming around but think he'll be a role player who hits his stride at around 24/25. Worth keeping.

Hough is a genuine A class lockdown defender who can play smaller or taller and get up the field a bit. He is an average kick who has a tendency to get under the ball but makes good decisions. Will put together a great career but in your best 22/23 really only have space for one of those players. A lock for the future.

Noah Long looks a promising and developing young forward / flanker however any time a player has a major knee injury it's always a watch afterwards.

Maric has elite vision, very good kicking skills and is a good size. The real question is can we make a top class wingman out of him or is he our future third tall back. A lot more Birchall than Gunston in him imo.

Hall has time. He has very good hands, has great endurance, is tough and has a good top speed. His kicking is very 50/50 and will need work and time. I think he makes it and is not the same player but very much a redden type and makes good midfield rotation and can make it as your pig centreman. Great defensively as well.

Rawlinson The club will likely give him time but who knows. I don't think he's an AFL level player or ever will be. He has the pressure part down as a forward but his kicking is not good enough imo.

Johnston is a project but i'd say he's more a yes than a no and needs a few seasons. Could very well make it on a wing for us but don't think he'll ever be more than a roleplayer.

Livingstone as a cat B is worth giving some time to. He has great aggression but is likely too small to ever be a number one ruck so need to work on his kicking and forward craft. I'd give him the full 3 years as a cat b player before making a decision. His kicking will likely decide whether he makes or doesn't make the grade as a ruck forward.

Jamieson is much more athletic and is a better kick than Harry Edwards. He could be a genuine FB but he's got a very short period of time to make his case.

Burgiel for all his talent I don't think is going to make it. Whether it's been the injuries or he doesn't want to be in WA the knock on his game was always defensively. Although we're only into his second year i'm at the point where I think he just doesn't want it enough which is a shame.

Harry Barnett. Lacks intensity, had an amazing U18's year but I just don't think he'll make it. Second round picks are always a 50/50 and it looks to me like we bet on the wrong horse and should have gone small there and tall later on. Really disappointed as I rated him so high. I could be overly harsh but if he's not a number 1 ruckman it's hard finding a spot for him at AFL level.

Jack Hutchinson. Whilst 22 it's best to look at him as a first year player. Yes he's more physically developed than most 18/19 year olds but he has come from a long way back playing country footy all the way through. He has a lot of untapped ability. He is a high flyer, is generally a good field kick and good kick for goal. He's fast without being blisteringly quick. Would still be in the top 3 on our list. From what i've seen reminds me a lot of a young Brett Burton. He needs some more development and it will be interesting to see if he can play further up the ground. Will need a couple of years of development.

Tyler Brockman. Has talent, good vision and is a good field kick. Has a bit of the yips at the moment and has had a really tough run with family and his two young ones. He has the talent, he's got till the end of the year to prove whether he has the determination. A few little things were kept quiet over east from what i've been told and we've had the incident (which i might say in a close family most of us have all done maybe not the same thing but something equally stupid) after the funeral. I'm now living it up in the heat and cheap beer for the next few months but just before my I left was told he has till the end of the year to prove he can put in the effort to make it at the top level and earn the trust of the playing group.

For our KP stocks its make or break for the next generation in the next 2 years, outside of Reid and Ginbey to a much lesser extent our next gen midfield is looking very thin on both talent and exposed form. We have one great defensive medium defender, a decent small forward, CHF and FF covered bar injury. Very thing all round in a couple of years time and genuinely think the clubs needs an assistance package. So far our young players and what we draft in with nominal picks will be likely enough to keep the club where it is in the forseeable future as players drop off and retire. Without an assistance package or genuinely pulling some high end players out of our arse with late picks the club will struggle on field without priority assistance.

If you had to draft with pick two tomorrow and had the option of Finn O’Sullivan or splitting and taking Lalor and Travaglia which option are you taking?

 

[briztoon]

There he is I’d knew you’d respond to one of my messages eventually, I’ve noticed Tom Barrass get in the top 5 speed multiple times but he would look like a plodder if you chucked him in the midfield, sure over distance he might be quick hey I’m sure over distance Priddis had a bit of speed but coming out of stoppage or in traffic he’s a plodder, and we don’t need plodders we already have 2 old ones.

Dev’s speed isn’t over distance, he’s quick off the mark, and hits top end speed very fast.

He’s never played midfield for us, other than a couple of tagging roles. Usually plays as a defensive small forward and gets chucked on a wing occasionally.

Probably won’t ever get a chance in the midfield for us.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Can we start a Dev thread and move that discussion. If want to debate Dev start a thread. FFS

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[Wooshaaaa]

If you had to draft with pick two tomorrow and had the option of Finn O’Sullivan or splitting and taking Lalor and Travaglia which option are you taking?

Do we need and inside bull mid in Lalor over the smooth mover and user? We need FO or draper type way more.

We have Reid, Culley, hall, boy.

We have no break the lines speed through traffic clean user.

Hewitt? Long?

I'm taking best available at pick 3




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[Bleedblueandgold]

Can we start a Dev thread and move that discussion. If want to debate Dev start a thread. FFS

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briztoon and random260 can hold negotiations in there.