List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Bacchus]

People are really good at overlooking details in order to have a melt.

Getting a pick in the twenties which will blow out towards #30 is not much compensation.

A twenties pick is a different thing from a teens pick.

We need to build a team and we’re recruiting a classic b grade player in Liam Baker with a first round pick? Help me.

No wonder the club is on life support.

 

[pantskyle]

Giving up 13 for Baker doesn't make sense in isolation. Assuming the Barrass trade is 13 + 30 and Baker is 13 for Baker + 21, combined with a suggestion from stallon to get Warner, 18 + F1 from the Swans for 3 + F1, that could leave us with:

Warner
Baker
18, 21, 23, 30, 59
Swans F1, WCE F2, F3, F4

Ok I could accept this.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And I thought ROB was a poor trading
Getting a pick in the twenties which will blow out towards #30 is not much compensation.

A twenties pick is a different thing from a teens pick.

We need to build a team and we’re recruiting a classic b grade player in Liam Baker with a first round pick? Help me.

No wonder the club is on life support.

It’s an eight pick downgrade on paper. How many picks do you expect to slot in between 13 and 21 to blow it out to a downgrade into the 30s?

 

[plays tall 1]

The purpose of trading Barrass is to get draft picks in to fast track the rebuild. If the lion’s share of the Barrass compo is spent getting Baker in, who’s only one year younger and playing in a less critical part of the ground, it will be an epic fail by Clarke.

 

[Tugga27]

I'd rather wait to see what happens before melting.

 

[Bacchus]

I thought ROB was a shocking trading tsar.

Getting Clarke is going from the frying pan into the fire.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I thought ROB was a shocking trading tsar.

Getting Clarke is going from the frying pan into the fire.

He hasn’t actually done anything yet?

 

[ghostbat12]

The purpose of trading Barrass is to get draft picks in to fast track the rebuild. If the lion’s share of the Barrass compo is spent getting Baker in, who’s only one year younger and playing in a less critical part of the ground, it will be an epic fail by Clarke.

Sounds like it was two from hawks, with our 2nd going back. Then hawks first for baker and a 2nd.

So trade barrass and our pick 20 for

future hawks first , pick 21 and baker.

Keeps a future first for attack on Warner, especially if freo trade some of their picks into 2025.

Unfortunately for freo, they are in a bit of a bind. They would rather go for Warner but Bolton available now. Which is more of what they need now.

If I was a betting man, trust freo to cut themselves at their knees. Back out of Bolton and then lose Warner because Harley is going to be significantly better next year and players will want to play with him.

 

[Spod]

I thought ROB was a shocking trading tsar.

Getting Clarke is going from the frying pan into the fire.

Melting as much as this board is about a journo's vague suggestion about a possible trade without knowing any details is already ridiculous but let's maybe not drag an individual at the club before they've actually said or done anything that would suggest it is true. Every chance Cal's hearing it from Richmond and they are just trying to pump the price up. Very high odds Freo would only be giving up 10 if it was also tied to the Bolton trade so it isn't comparable but if you are Richmond you would try to make it out that way.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I've thought further, the offer i'd consider if we have to give up 13 for Baker is:

Pick 13 -> Baker and Pick 16 (the pick from Freo)

Otherwise they can **** off.

 

[Cuzz09]

My God ... HURRY UP trade week!!

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[shooshka]

It’s an eight pick downgrade on paper. How many picks do you expect to slot in between 13 and 21 to blow it out to a downgrade into the 30s?

It’s also a good draft, but not because of the quality at the pointy end but the depth.

From reports the 15-35 bracket is very even. Now I understand that having an earlier selection has benefits, but swapping a pick for a slightly later pick considered in the same bracket of the draft (plus Baker of course) makes sense.

Certainly prefer it to the 3 - 6 downgrade previously floated


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[Bacchus]

It’s an eight pick downgrade on paper. How many picks do you expect to slot in between 13 and 21 to blow it out to a downgrade into the 30s?

I expect several picks to slot in.

I don’t attach any value or meaning to the points system. Completely artificial, arbitrary template only useful for calculating f/s nga discounts. Just assigns values to players about where they occur in a list but doesn’t correspond to the reality of the value of the players.

How many points was Harley worth? Should have been 10,000. We picked up two players in the twenties in 2022 and they are miles off getting a game apart from the token two games that Barnett has played.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

When Baker finally nominates the Eagles as the club he wants to go to we will be forced into making a deal with the Tigers.

Wrong, we don’t have to do shit

Don’t want Baker.

Messing up a critical drafting year.

Agree. We are still 4+ years off a flag. Baker is nice, fine - but strong no to getting rid of pick 13 is a very good draft and where we are in the build

But you can't just have all kids. Baker would be a great help guiding these kids through. Tough too. Doubt he'd allow Harley to get bullied as much.

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Weak argument to trade down a first rounder for him. We better protect our early picks this year and use them. No to decent picks outgoing at this stage unless we are dealing for a game changer

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I expect several picks to slot in.

I don’t attach any value or meaning to the points system. Completely artificial, arbitrary template only useful for calculating f/s nga discounts. Just assigns values to players about where they occur in a list but doesn’t correspond to the reality of the value of the players.

How many points was Harley worth? Should have been 10,000. We picked up two players in the twenties in 2022 and they are miles off getting a game apart from the token two games that Barnett has played.

And we picked two players in the 20s in 2017 and they’ve had massively better careers than the guy we picked at 13. We picked a guy in the 30s in 2021 that looks to be doing much better than the guy we picked at 14. Etc etc.

It’s all a lottery, going from 13 to 21 would be exchanging a lottery ticket for a slightly lesser lottery ticket. Hardly worth melting over. Especially since it’s only a rumour at this point.

 

[THE_GUN]

The proposed deal is 13 for 21 and Baker.

Where did you see this ?
I highly doubt Richmond give up the 1st pick on the 2nd day

 

[Happy Mastenator]

And we picked two players in the 20s in 2017 and they’ve had massively better careers than the guy we picked at 13. We picked a guy in the 30s in 2021 that looks to be doing much better than the guy we picked at 14. Etc etc.

It’s all a lottery, going from 13 to 21 would be exchanging a lottery ticket for a slightly lesser lottery ticket. Hardly worth melting over. Especially since it’s only a rumour at this point.

averages matter, not one off drafts we had.

AFL Draft Pick Value Comparison - All Time - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[CountryLad]

Where did you see this ?
I highly doubt Richmond give up the 1st pick on the 2nd day

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

averages matter, not one off drafts we had.

AFL Draft Pick Value Comparison - All Time - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Tell the bloke that cited Barnett and Burgiel, I’m the one saying it’s a lottery.

 

[THE_GUN]

You look upset. relax

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

 

[CountryLad]

You look upset. relax

Not at all but you can leave and take it to the Baker thread the in trading and draft section

 

[eaglevision]

Would be great but if we get Graham it’s zero compo. Another well thought out recruitment.

 

[Bacchus]

And we picked two players in the 20s in 2017 and they’ve had massively better careers than the guy we picked at 13. We picked a guy in the 30s in 2021 that looks to be doing much better than the guy we picked at 14. Etc etc.

It’s all a lottery, going from 13 to 21 would be exchanging a lottery ticket for a slightly lesser lottery ticket. Hardly worth melting over. Especially since it’s only a rumour at this point.

You should have a much better chance of getting a quality player at #13 than #25. I know it doesn’t always work like this. Chad Warner was #39. What a stroke of brilliance that was.

Of course, the competence of the recruiting team is a factor in all this. Sadly, I don’t have a lot of confidence in ours.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Giving up 13 for Baker doesn't make sense in isolation. Assuming the Barrass trade is 13 + 30 and Baker is 13 for Baker + 21, combined with a suggestion from stallon to get Warner, 18 + F1 from the Swans for 3 + F1, that could leave us with:

Warner
Baker
18, 21, 23, 30, 59
Swans F1, WCE F2, F3, F4

You dont seriously believe the swans trade a contracted Warner along with 18 and their F1 for 3 and our F1 do you? Jesus some of these suggestions are delusional