List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Elite Pete]

Can we trade Baker in for pick 13 and then on trade him to the Dockers for pick 10

 

[Broken_Chairs]

End of first round PP that we need to trade (for Baker) would be a great outcome for both WCE & Richmond

Otherwise Hawthorn F1 or 23 this year

 

[kerrazy]

As much as I'd love it, anyone thinking we will get 21 back with Baker is dreaming.

Prepare your buttholes people.

 

[Off Tap]

Im suggesting we have Harley, Yeo, Kelly, Hewett as our attacking mids, with Graham and Dev as the defensive roles. Hutch and baker as extra rotations from the best 22, and Hall starting the year in the WAFL. Theres enough there if Hall or Hutch come on enough as mids to move out Yeo and Kelly in 2025 to flanks to preserve them.

Dont need an A+ grade midfield, idk why people think this

Yeo is old.

Kelly getting that way too. Give it 3 years and they won't be around.

Hewett can't get on the park and may never play to anywhere near his potential, if at all. I'm no doctor but it doesn't sound positive.

Graham, Dev, Hutch, Baker, Ginbey, Hall or anyone else on our list are B/C graders through the middle.

You do need an A+ grade midfield with AA quality to win a flag unless your forward and backs are loaded with AA's. We have 2 and 1 is nearing the pension age.

We need another two primo midfielders with our first selections this year and next.

Hoping that one of the NGA's or FS coming through next year might be one, but they'd need to have a breakout year.

TLDR - take primo's.

 

[Shmiddy15]

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment, given the consensus that this is a deep draft and that there's great value to be had into the 30s, is it possible we may actually be better off retaining 3 top 30 picks instead of just the 2?

i.e. which is actually the better hand in a supposedly deep draft? 3 & 13, or 3, 21 & 23. Normally I'd prefer to keep 13, but if this draft is as deep as purported, perhaps it may be a good move after all?

I don't know the draft well enough to know the answer, but fingers crossed the club does, and if they do choose to trade 13 for Baker & 21, it's because they think 21 & 23 are more valuable than 13 alone.

I choose to ignore any reports of Baker for 13 alone, and will melt accordingly if that were to occur.

 

[pantskyle]

The murmurs around Warner were he’d leave if the Swans won wasn’t it? Quietly confident that’s a next year thing and why we’re pushing for an F1 in the Barrass deal.

Have accepted the Baker deal and as long as we retain pick 3 for a top mid and get 21 back I think it’s not a disaster. It’s a deep draft and there’ll be some good options slide through in the 20’s, then have a ping at Davis/Dennis/Boxshall types later.

Eagles would take him right now if he agreed and the Swans did.

 

[Bender_]

The murmurs around Warner were he’d leave if the Swans won wasn’t it?

The murmurs were Will Schofield's Got a Feeling in His Waters. Some of his predictions are pushing podcast conspiracy theory made-up level. And for the record I like the guy.

 

[Bender_]

Inside AFL’s wild SEVEN-club fight for emerging star that’s primed to shape trade period

Inside AFL’s wild SEVEN-club fight for emerging star that’s primed to shape trade period

www.foxsports.com.au

That's a lot of noise for a player of Peatling's calibre.

 

[stallon]

Yeo is old.

Kelly getting that way too. Give it 3 years and they won't be around.

Thats fine, Harley and Hewett + our 2025 1st pick will develop and take over eventually. Warner is also an option and we have depth to cover

Hewett can't get on the park and may never play to anywhere near his potential, if at all. I'm no doctor but it doesn't sound positive.

I think youre being needlessly negative. Hes not the first to have this injury and they all come back fine after. Finn Callaghan at GWS is a good recent example, looks everything like living up to his pick 3 potential

Graham, Dev, Hutch, Baker, Ginbey, Hall or anyone else on our list are B/C graders through the middle.

This is the quality of guys the Pies and the Cats had running through the middle alongside Danger/Daicos. They dont have to be long term options, we are years away from a premiership

You do need an A+ grade midfield with AA quality to win a flag unless your forward and backs are loaded with AA's. We have 2 and 1 is nearing the pension age.

You clearly dont as the Pies and Cats have proven in 2 of the last 3 years. Richmond and west coast literally did it in 2017-2020 4 times in a row too.

We need another two primo midfielders with our first selections this year and next.

Disagree

Hoping that one of the NGA's or FS coming through next year might be one, but they'd need to have a breakout year.

TLDR - take primo's.

 

[RanaNaved]

Inside AFL’s wild SEVEN-club fight for emerging star that’s primed to shape trade period

Inside AFL’s wild SEVEN-club fight for emerging star that’s primed to shape trade period

www.foxsports.com.au

That's a lot of noise for a player of Peatling's calibre.

It's ridiculous tbh, very good for him though

 

[Barrybran]

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment, given the consensus that this is a deep draft and that there's great value to be had into the 30s, is it possible we may actually be better off retaining 3 top 30 picks instead of just the 2?

i.e. which is actually the better hand in a supposedly deep draft? 3 & 13, or 3, 21 & 23. Normally I'd prefer to keep 13, but if this draft is as deep as purported, perhaps it may be a good move after all?

I don't know the draft well enough to know the answer, but fingers crossed the club does, and if they do choose to trade 13 for Baker & 21, it's because they think 21 & 23 are more valuable than 13 alone.

I choose to ignore any reports of Baker for 13 alone, and will melt accordingly if that were to occur.

I've wondered the same thing. If we were open to giving up pick 13 it would mean we don't rate anyone in that part of the board. Given we need a KPD or two and a ruck in the next couple of years, it makes sense to get mid-draft picks as much as high-end picks, potentially more so as we have a lot of players that can rotate through the midfield already with at least two more top 5 picks to walk through the door.

 

[RanaNaved]

Let's just ask for some early 3rds or late 2nds back for 13, I mean if people here keep on talking up this draft and it's depth, that's a good deal right?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment, given the consensus that this is a deep draft and that there's great value to be had into the 30s, is it possible we may actually be better off retaining 3 top 30 picks instead of just the 2?

i.e. which is actually the better hand in a supposedly deep draft? 3 & 13, or 3, 21 & 23. Normally I'd prefer to keep 13, but if this draft is as deep as purported, perhaps it may be a good move after all?

I don't know the draft well enough to know the answer, but fingers crossed the club does, and if they do choose to trade 13 for Baker & 21, it's because they think 21 & 23 are more valuable than 13 alone.

I choose to ignore any reports of Baker for 13 alone, and will melt accordingly if that were to occur.

Honestly yes it would be better to take 3 top 30 picks

Pick 13 will get us a 200 game player
I mean Darcy Wilson was drafted at 18 this year and is a sensational player
that's the type of talent we will miss out on.

 

[Corn69]

I'll say one thing about Baker, I'd rather have him leading the midfield than that fraudster Kelly.

Atleast we know that Baker will give it his all week in week out. And set good standards.

Tim Telly will only show up for a game or two, collect his paycheck, and then vanish for rest of the year.

 

[Phas]

I honestly don't see an issue with 13 being part of the deal with Baker, provided we get a couple of useful picks back.

Eg. 13+F4 for Baker+21+29 would be well in our favour but still hits the criterea of 13 being the starting point.

Its a deep draft, we may as well take a few picks rather than just 13. We'll still have pick 3 we can use on an elite midfield talent, or split it for a Travaglia and Lindsay type combo.

Stop melting boys.

 

[TerryFilk]

I honestly don't see an issue with 13 being part of the deal with Baker, provided we get a couple of useful picks back.

Eg. 13+F4 for Baker+21+29 would be well in our favour but still hits the criterea of 13 being the starting point.

Its a deep draft, we may as well take a few picks rather than just 13. We'll still have pick 3 we can use on an elite midfield talent, or split it for a Travaglia and Lindsay type combo.

Stop melting boys.

Lol, of course we wouldn’t mind that but Richmond are not doing that.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Got to say I’m a wee bit nervous, particularly about the prospects of trading 13 for baker.

The following seems like a really good recipe for building a middling team:

1. Delay rebuild as long as possible under the guise of being in a premiership window until your stars no longer have currency
2. Completely whiff on two 2R picks in the first year of your rebuild.
3. Pay the premium of an additional 3R pick for a late second rounder when comparable talent is available in the second year of your rebuild.
4. Use a premium pick in a deep draft on a player likely to age out of his peak in 2-3 years in the third year of your rebuild.
5. Trade in a seemingly elite player from a strong team for top market price that will have a much harder task of performing to current levels.
6. Do all of this immediately before another expansion team enters the comp essentially rendering the draft defunct for all those teams that aren’t in Sydney, Queensland or Tasmania.

This neglects my concerns about Chesser but also my optimism regarding Long, Jilliams and hutchintingson at bargain value with that said I think the above course of action places an incredibly large burden to find and develop strong players with your 2nd and 3rd round picks which we haven’t been great at.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Not sure what I like more, that poster who talks about Chesser every two seconds, or the poster dreaming of a C Grade premiership midfield.

It's probably related actually.

 

[plays tall 1]

Geelong 2022 and Pies 2023 are 2 great examples of sides without A+ midfields winning by having a good spread of talent all over the ground. They are the sides we should look to emulate imo

Both coincidentally beat sides who people regard as having those A+ midfields in those grand finals, Swans and Lions

Geelong had Dangerfield, Selwood, Cam Guthrie, Isaac Smith and Duncan.

Collingwood had Daicos, De Goey, Pendlebury, Mitchell, Sidebottom and Crisp.

Both excellent midfields. Plenty of A graders there.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We have a very large carrot in front of Warner but Sydney need to save us from ourselves and say off limits this year.

Get any many top 40 kids we can this draft. Hit up Warner next year.

We have to use at least 2 top 20 (one top 5) picks and hopefully one or two in the 20s.

F2 for Baker, help Richmond get better compo for the other bloke.
One of Garcia or Dev, either or both would help us.

The problem is his value goes up another level next year. I'm not saying he will win the Brownlow, but he poled very well this year and will again. My biggest fear was he was going to win the norm smith.

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[stallon]

Geelong had Dangerfield, Selwood, Cam Guthrie, Isaac Smith and Duncan.

Collingwood had Daicos, De Goey, Pendlebury, Mitchell, Sidebottom and Crisp.

Both excellent midfields. Plenty of A graders there.

Selwood who was on his last legs and was playing the midfield bench rotation. Guthrie was never an A-grader. Duncan and Smith were good but probably B+ guys too
JDG ill give you, Pendlebury role player by this point, Mitchell was tagging and well past his brownlow winning prime, Sidebottom and Crisp definitely were NOT at an A-grade level last year.

1 A-grader at the Cats, 2 at the Pies.

 

[stallon]

Not sure what I like more, that poster who talks about Chesser every two seconds, or the poster dreaming of a C Grade premiership midfield.

It's probably related actually.

Dreaming of emulating Collingwood and Geelong the perennial top 4/finals contenders who both won a premiership in the last 3 years without an outstanding midfield?

 

[stallon]

The problem is his value goes up another level next year. I'm not saying he will win the Brownlow, but he poled very well this year and will again. My biggest fear was he was going to win the norm smith.

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Hes OOC next year, his value will be less.

 

[rebel23]

It'll be baker and pick 16( Freo Bolton Pick)... for pick 13.. or something like that...

No need for all the hysteria... We aren't going to chips in for baker... Although he will be a very good player for us... High intensity and workrate... Someone we can use to plug holes

 

[eaglespremiers]

Hes OOC next year, his value will be less.

If only he was Liam Baker then his value would be at least equal when he is OOC.