List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[illegaleagle]

Pair of Blues more likely than not to request trades this off-season

“He looks like he wants to get out of Carlton and could request a trade.”

www.sen.com.au

This article seems to suggest Dev and Carroll may look to return home, that makes it 4 players that we will potentially be interested in including Baker and Graham. It will be very interesting to see how many we actually delist/trade and how many picks we take to the draft.

Dev and Caroll arent any good, Garcia and Sheldrick are the ones we should be targetting

 

[mattyc75]

I think he definitely can be, I just don't think he'll necessarily start there. He might start as a winger or mid sized defender, then as he continues to build his tank and size go into the middle, like Yeo or Duggan have done.

The duggan comparison isn't a glowing endorsement

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[1Bally1]

When will delisting's be announced surely they have worked it all out from the exit meetings last week.

 

[flyinghi64]

Noticed a few people putting a line through Ledwards, head trauma retirement mainly.

Heard him on the radio on the weekend in an interview and he definitely didn't sound like someone retiring.
Talked about how much he loves it here and how he wants to be part of the rebuild with all the other young guys in the club. loves his golf as well. Talked about the camaraderie among the young playing group and how they want to take the club forward.

Not sure if it was front or not but as I say it didn't sound like he expected to not be here next season.

 

[RanaNaved]

Can see a rather large trade involving many pick swaps and Baker happening between WC and Richmond

 

[kerrazy]

If we retain Edwards I will riot. It's nice that he is positive about the club, but he is not a player of the clubs future.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Noticed a few people putting a line through Ledwards, head trauma retirement mainly.

Heard him on the radio on the weekend in an interview and he definitely didn't sound like someone retiring.
Talked about how much he loves it here and how he wants to be part of the rebuild with all the other young guys in the club. loves his golf as well. Talked about the camaraderie among the young playing group and how they want to take the club forward.

Not sure if it was front or not but as I say it didn't sound like he expected to not be here next season.

Poor guy probably can't remember his exit meeting.

 

[noobermensch]

An excellent performance that proved Hamish Davis has what it takes to make the step to finals footy and not just meet the level but thrive. Playing his typical high half forward role, his tank and work rate was a feature as was his ability to play at high pace with clean hands. He might have had even more than 4 goals in this game if he hadn't missed a couple of gettable opportunities, a reminder that his variable kicking technique is the one thing that might hold him back from shooting up into first round contention even with his late season surge in form.

 

[chaddy22]

When will delisting's be announced surely they have worked it all out from the exit meetings last week.

it's not that straight forward. It will depend on how many good picks we have.
Are we bringing in Baker, Graham and somebody else.
Is Jack Darling going to North Melbourne.

 

[ziad]

it's not that straight forward. It will depend on how many good picks we have.
Are we bringing in Baker, Graham and somebody else.
Is Jack Darling going to North Melbourne.

Not at all straight forward.

 

[plays tall 1]

An excellent performance that proved Hamish Davis has what it takes to make the step to finals footy and not just meet the level but thrive. Playing his typical high half forward role, his tank and work rate was a feature as was his ability to play at high pace with clean hands. He might have had even more than 4 goals in this game if he hadn't missed a couple of gettable opportunities, a reminder that his variable kicking technique is the one thing that might hold him back from shooting up into first round contention even with his late season surge in form.

Ok, I want this guy with the Barrass first pick now. Clean hands, good size, good speed, accumulates at will and hits the scoreboard. Shifter compared him to a young Fyfe but that’s obviously a disservice to Davis who’s a much better shot at goal

 

[JackOutback]

Noticed a few people putting a line through Ledwards, head trauma retirement mainly.

Heard him on the radio on the weekend in an interview and he definitely didn't sound like someone retiring.
Talked about how much he loves it here and how he wants to be part of the rebuild with all the other young guys in the club. loves his golf as well. Talked about the camaraderie among the young playing group and how they want to take the club forward.

Not sure if it was front or not but as I say it didn't sound like he expected to not be here next season.

If he isn't retiring, he's getting delisted.

 

[chaddy22]

Not at all straight forward.

A case in point is Josh Rotham. He is a free agent and we are likely going to see what the trade period throws up.
If we don't get a free agent and somebody wants to pick Rotham as a ufa we will get a compo pick.
With three draft picks for this year you would expect we will hear shortly the first three delistings.
Some players will be sweating till trade week is over to find out their fate.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Not sure if it was front or not but as I say it didn't sound like he expected to not be here next season.

Vaguely possible he gets de-listed and rookied. Personally, I think it would be a waste, even for a rookie spot. His main strengths point to being an inside mid or a small defender. But with a track record of concussion, those aren't great positions to be playing. And he lacks the pace to be a winger. Just don't see where he fits in the side.

 

[THE A5]

it's not that straight forward. It will depend on how many good picks we have.
Are we bringing in Baker, Graham and somebody else.
Is Jack Darling going to North Melbourne.

The club usually doesn’t announce delisting in one hit. They some time do one post season and some after the trade period too

 

[Deepthroat]

3, 23 & F2

Swaps with

6, 13, & 20.

With Barrass compo it's 6, 12, 13 & 20.

Strong hand.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

An excellent performance that proved Hamish Davis has what it takes to make the step to finals footy and not just meet the level but thrive. Playing his typical high half forward role, his tank and work rate was a feature as was his ability to play at high pace with clean hands. He might have had even more than 4 goals in this game if he hadn't missed a couple of gettable opportunities, a reminder that his variable kicking technique is the one thing that might hold him back from shooting up into first round contention even with his late season surge in form.

I believe this has been asked but couldn’t find it amongst all the hand wringing about picks.

Is his general field kicking alright? The ball drop and set shot process looks very odd, but some players are perfectly useful field kicks with strange set shot routines/actions.

I know you’ve said it’s the one thing that might hold him back, but is that putting an emphasis on process or results - e.g. a purist scouting him would mark him down albeit they still get where they need to go.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Just checked the odds for Friday night.

Dogs $1.73 Hawks $2.10

I really want the Bookies to be right this game

In fact I want the Hawks defence to be ripped apart by the Tall Dogs so that they are even more keen to get TB

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Vaguely possible he gets de-listed and rookied. Personally, I think it would be a waste, even for a rookie spot. His main strengths point to being an inside mid or a small defender. But with a track record of concussion, those aren't great positions to be playing. And he lacks the pace to be a winger. Just don't see where he fits in the side.

Reminds me a lot of the team back in 2008-2011, heap of players like Tim Houllihan, Tom Swift etc., that thought had potential, but realised they were just getting stats because they were getting games, and would never be able to lift those stats from the ~12-16 touches a game into the 20+ you need as a midfielder.

 

[Hoskin300]

Noticed a few people putting a line through Ledwards, head trauma retirement mainly.

Heard him on the radio on the weekend in an interview and he definitely didn't sound like someone retiring.
Talked about how much he loves it here and how he wants to be part of the rebuild with all the other young guys in the club. loves his golf as well. Talked about the camaraderie among the young playing group and how they want to take the club forward.

Not sure if it was front or not but as I say it didn't sound like he expected to not be here next season.

If we don’t delist him we have genuinely lost the plot.

 

[noobermensch]

I believe this has been asked but couldn’t find it amongst all the hand wringing about picks.

Is his general field kicking alright? The ball drop and set shot process looks very odd, but some players are perfectly useful field kicks with strange set shot routines/actions.

I know you’ve said it’s the one thing that might hold him back, but is that putting an emphasis on process or results - e.g. a purist scouting him would mark him down albeit they still get where they need to go.

His field kicking isn't great. Feels a bit too "loose" for want of a better word. Like he's not fully in control of where the ball ends up.

Disposal efficiency for each of his 4 champs games:
Game 1: 42.1%
Game 2: 75%
Game 3: 62.5%
Game 4: 66.7%

 

[HoneyBadger35]

His field kicking isn't great. Feels a bit too "loose" for want of a better word. Like he's not fully in control of where the ball ends up.

Disposal efficiency for each of his 4 champs games:
Game 1: 42.1%
Game 2: 75%
Game 3: 62.5%
Game 4: 66.7%

Cheers. Some of the kicks in that package looked like really high level vision and awareness, but the kicks themselves floated or didn’t quite hit. Looked fairly blustery given some of the general disposals by teammates too, so didn’t know if that was isolated.

Thanks as always.

 

[beagles]

What do you think GC will get from Adelaide for Lukosius and would there be a trade scenario involving WC?

Potential scenario
Adelaide give pick 4 and get Lukosius and WC pick 23
Adelaide go to the draft with picks 23 & 25

GC give pick 6 & Adelaide pick 4 and get picks WC 3 & F3 (F2 at worst-case)
GC use pick 13 & 20 & WC F3 on Rioli and Noble

WC give picks 3, 23 & F3~F2 and get picks 4 & 6
WC go to the draft with pick 4, 6 & 12 and use F2~F3 on trade for one of Baker or Perryman etc
(Assumes Hawks give picks 12 & F1st)

The trade values line up.
Values Lukosius at pick 13
Get in front of any Lombard bid
Leaves WC with earlier picks but nothing before 59

 

[RanaNaved]

I reckon Davis will slide further than a lot on this board think

 

[pantskyle]

What do you think GC will get from Adelaide for Lukosius and would there be a trade scenario involving WC?

Potential scenario
Adelaide give pick 4 and get Lukosius and WC pick 23
Adelaide go to the draft with picks 23 & 25

GC give pick 6 & Adelaide pick 4 and get picks WC 3 & F3 (F2 at worst-case)
GC use pick 13 & 20 & WC F3 on Rioli and Noble

WC give picks 3, 23 & F3~F2 and get picks 4 & 6
WC go to the draft with pick 4, 6 & 12 and use F2~F3 on trade for one of Baker or Perryman etc
(Assumes Hawks give picks 12 & F1st)

The trade values line up.
Values Lukosius at pick 13
Get in front of any Lombard bid
Leaves WC with earlier picks but nothing before 59

Lukosius worth a late first rounder at best in my opinion.