List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Keys]

Is PSD on the same day as Rookie draft? (Which is in November?)

Yes it is. Late November

Preseason training for 1st to 4th year players will likely start early to mid November

 

[Wooshaaaa]

97-gamer among six delistings for Damien Hardwick's Gold Coast

Six cuts for the Suns.

www.sen.com.au

Is Darcy McPherson at 26yo worth a phone call?

Also note, suns have let Davies hanging in the wind.

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[Dark Sharks]

He's hardly hanging in the wind, they've reportedly got a 2 year deal sitting on his lap.

The only delay for signing is him sniffing around for a better contract elsewhere from Collingwood or whoever else.

If we were interested it'd need to be 3 years and decent coin to tempt him relocating over from the other side of the country. Has he done enough to justify that?

 

[Bacchus]

Wonder if Richmond, Culley and Blight would agree to a deal where both players are not offered contracts, don’t nominate for the draft and then get signed as SSPs following the rookie draft?

Verbal agreement for the players?

Seems to lack security/certainty from the players’ POV. What if there are other players training as SSP’s or the player picked up an injury? I wouldn’t be confident that the club wouldn’t go back on its word.

If I was a player I’d be looking for something better than that if I could get it.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

This is quoted from the AFL site: "To be eligible for the SSP, players must have nominated for the most recent AFL Draft or previously been on an AFL list. Clubs will have two windows to formally sign a player via the SSP: November 27 to December 14 and January 15 to February.....".
Note the "or previously been on an AFL list".

I think Eaglevision is right, a player can’t delist themselves and skip the drafts altogether.

If the club doesn’t offer them a contract, it’s a different matter.

 

[Boohemian]

I know he's a potato and potentially delisted shortly, but we're silly not grabbing DGB via whatever bargain bin avenue pans out and backing ourselves to make something of his career. Either Barrass trade or DFA.

Our KPP development has been solid for a number of years, it's a free swing picking him up and seeing what a new environment does for his game. He's a pick 6 after all.

Particularly for a list position we're now no longer flush with. Bazzo (jury still out) as depth behind Hedwards and Gov, and that's it.

Is it a case of homesickness as to why he hasn't come on?

Must have shown something to warrant being taken at 6. Played 8 league games for Swan Districts in 2020.

 

[EagleEgo]

I think Eaglevision is right, a player can’t delist themselves and skip the drafts altogether.

If the club doesn’t offer them a contract, it’s a different matter.

I don't know what is right but this is quoted from AFL site and I think it is quite safe to believe it is correct (Note: there might be other extra wording that I am not aware of).

There are more to it. If he is not offered a contract, he is a FA too. There are many options to pick up a player

 

[Obeanie1]

Let him go then. We need mids. A plethora (not a couple, bunch of several) of them. If we don't get in 6 mids, 3 via the draft and 3 as trades we will get smashed all year next, regardless of how shored up our back 6 are.

Peatling, Carrol, Garcia, Davies, Dev. Go get them all.

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You just summed why we should be chasing Blight.

We get a semi mature 24 year old key defender for close to no cost to provide depth after Barrass is gone.

We then retain all our good picks for positions of need. Mids and a quality rebounding half back.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wonder if Richmond, Culley and Blight would agree to a deal where both players are not offered contracts, don’t nominate for the draft and then get signed as SSPs following the rookie draft?

Why not just do a straight swap and trade?

Then they can relocate and start preseason on time with the other players.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't know what is right but this is quoted from AFL site and I think it is quite safe to believe it is correct (Note: there might be other extra wording that I am not aware of).

There are more to it. If he is not offered a contract, he is a FA too. There are many options to pick up a player

If he’s not offered a contract he’s a free agent, but free agents go on the senior list.

If he’s not offered a contract and is content to go on the rookie list, he can either nominate for the draft and take the risk another club will draft him, or he can decline to nominate for the draft and get picked up as an SSP. That’s the path Sharp took to get to Freo.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Why not just do a straight swap and trade?

Then they can relocate and start preseason on time with the other players.

Because they’d be on the senior list. Not sure we’d have a senior list spot for Blight. Richmond would probably have one for Culley although if they end up with seven or eight picks in the top 30 with all their trades they’ll probably want to use all of those.

 

[Goroyals22]

Is it a case of homesickness as to why he hasn't come on?

Must have shown something to warrant being taken at 6. Played 8 league games for Swan Districts in 2020.

It’s a case of being spud .


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[EagleEgo]

If he’s not offered a contract he’s a free agent, but free agents go on the senior list.

If he’s not offered a contract and is content to go on the rookie list, he can either nominate for the draft and take the risk another club will draft him, or he can decline to nominate for the draft and get picked up as an SSP. That’s the path Sharp took to get to Freo.

The main point of discussion is whether he has to be in the national draft to be eligible for SSP. Whether he will be drafted to the senior list is just a side issue.
I quote the AFL statement here again for reference:
"To be eligible for the SSP, players must have nominated for the most recent AFL Draft or previously been on an AFL list. Clubs will have two windows to formally sign a player via the SSP: November 27 to December 14 and January 15 to .....".
We cannot ignored the quote from AFL: "or previously been on an AFL list" and just use our own interpretation to claim the right or wrong.

My interpretation of this statement is he is on the AFL 2024 and he does not need to nominate for the most recent AFL draft to qualify for SSP. He is qualified with the second conditions "To be eligible for the SSP,......or previously been on an AFL list."

 

[amazingjoshy]

Beveridge saying on Gettable the Tigers have upped their offer to Graham to 4 years to match ours

Im sure Ive read on here they didnt want him and he was delist material.....

Anyway should make some happy. Hopefully puts Parfitt firmly on the radar if we miss out

 

[RanaNaved]

Beveridge saying on Gettable the Tigers have upped their offer to Graham to 4 years to match ours

Im sure Ive read on here they didnt want him and he was delist material.....

Anyway should make some happy. Hopefully puts Parfitt firmly on the radar if we miss out

Some supporters might want him gone

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We cannot ignored the quote from AFL: "or previously been on an AFL list" and just use our own interpretation to claim the right or wrong.

I’ve looked for the actual rule but all I’ve found is this very helpful para:



If you’re right, and a player could decline a contract offer, bypass the drafts and sign with the club of their choosing as an SSP:
1) I think that would undermine the whole draft process, and
2) They’d have to be prepared to be on the rookie list, because that’s where SSP signings go.

 

[BartBart]

Who is Caruso.

Wasn't he an ordinary actor most famous for putting on sunglasses in the CSI tv series?

 

[Bender_]

Wasn't he an ordinary actor most famous for putting on sunglasses in the CSI tv series?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We cannot ignored the quote from AFL: "or previously been on an AFL list" and just use our own interpretation to claim the right or wrong.

Actually, I’ve found it:

AFL confirms rookie rules for SSP, Mid-Season Draft

www.afl.com.au

A player who delists themselves can’t sign as an SSP unless they sit out a year.

 

[BartBart]

That was about the limit of his acting ability.

Just don't know why you guys are discussing him.

 

[EagleEgo]

Actually, I’ve found it:

AFL confirms rookie rules for SSP, Mid-Season Draft

www.afl.com.au

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A player who delists themselves can’t sign as an SSP unless they sit out a year.

Good to have more detailed referencing information.

 

[eaglevision]

This is quoted from the AFL site: "To be eligible for the SSP, players must have nominated for the most recent AFL Draft or previously been on an AFL list. Clubs will have two windows to formally sign a player via the SSP: November 27 to December 14 and January 15 to February.....".
Note the "or previously been on an AFL list".

Correct but they also need to have not been offered a contract extension by their club otherwise every player will skip the PSD and just get to their club of choice

 

[Obeanie1]

Will say the GWS list manager is one mean bad ass.

I guess they didn't agree and he walked away from that deal.

 

[1Bally1]

on that topic why don't we rookie list form 2nd round pick 2022 James Van es who was injured all year and delisted. He is a 195cm key defender who we could develop rookie list surely.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Beveridge saying on Gettable the Tigers have upped their offer to Graham to 4 years to match ours

Im sure Ive read on here they didnt want him and he was delist material.....

Anyway should make some happy. Hopefully puts Parfitt firmly on the radar if we miss out

Tigers in danger of going full Melbourne 2008-2015 if they have all their old guys retire, and all their middle aged good players traded. Need to keep some and Edwards Graham is probably the best value of cheap, plus won't get as much for him if he leaves.