List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
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  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

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  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

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  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

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  10.0

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  3.0

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  M

  7.0

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  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

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  D

  24.0

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  K

  15.4

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  HB

  8.6

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  M

  5.8

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  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
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  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

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  9.0

  2star

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  4.8

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  4.2

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  2.1

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  3.8

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  159.6

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  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

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  4.0

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  2.5

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  4.0

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  196.5

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  9.0

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  4.2

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  4.8

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  M

  2.4

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  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Well Ashton Moir ex pick 20 is a start. That is one kid who would jump at a trade to us IMO.

Are the Blues trading anyone out of any value? Didnt think so.

Something like.

Kennedy a F2nd and WCF3rd to Richmond for losing Baker and 45. Fair.

Eagkes lose 3, Petro and a F3rd.

Eagles gain Picks 12 , 14, Baker, Moir and Carrol. Carrol and Petro net off.

So in essense pick 3 and WCF3rd saty 43 for 12, 14, 20(Moir) plus Baker.

Pick 3 and 45 and Petruccelle to Blues.

Eagles go to the draft with 12, 14, 26 and whatever falls out?

Note: I dont get why Richmond would consider this unless they will trade for Norths pick 2.

Moir would be a great sweetener.
An Eagles fanatic who would bleed for this club.
Dunno if there would be any interest in Petch.
But where is 45 coming from? Richmond only have 51 & 61 left this year.
Otherwise we'd probably need another 3rd rounder to get Moir.

 

[Obeanie1]

I don’t disagree, but would you really put it past us? If there’s merit to the rumours of Carlton looking to trade up, then what else could they include to make it viable? They don’t exactly have any notable draft capital beyond 12 and 14.

Moir.

Send MKennedy or Owies to Tigers to help pay for Baker

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

Moving on from the melts.

I think people are under valuing next year's F1s a fair bit on here.

With the change in points and only 10% discount (instead of 20%), the academy clubs are going to have to pay a much closer to fair picks for their players.

If Uwland and Addinsall go top five and 10, Gold Coast will likely need something like a top 10 and three top 20 picks.

F1s (like Carltons and Hawthorns) are likely to come IN not get blown out.



Stockpiling in the 30's and 40's doesn't work any more, R1 and R2 are the only picks of value from next year on (as it should have always been).

 

[Obeanie1]

Moir would be a great sweetener.
An Eagles fanatic who would bleed for this club.
Dunno if there would be any interest in Petch.
But where is 45 coming from? Richmond only have 51 & 61 left this year.
Otherwise we'd probably need another 3rd rounder to get Moir.

Thought Richmond still had it.

Make it 51 then.

Added our F3rd to balance things up. But if we are left discussing 3rds to balance any deal its getting close.

Petch is a swap for Carrol and neither hold much value. Blue I now recall need list spots ipenned up so sure Petro likely not needed. Carrol can be a DFA or Dev is the other cheap option.

 

[maxrm]

Moir.

Send MKennedy or Owies to Tigers to help pay for Baker

This was my original post:

12 + 14 + Moir + Carroll for 3.

On trade 14 for Swans’ 19 + 22

Trade one of them for Baker (should be 22 but I doubt we push hard enough)

2024 draft hand = 12, 19/22, 26, Champion

Trade Barrass + F2 for Hawthorn’s 2 x F1s

2025 draft hand = 3 x First Rounders for the strong WA group and of course a potential Warner pursuit

Don’t love sliding so far back in this year’s draft but if the recruiters are frothing over the depth of the draft more than the upper end then something like the above isn’t disastrous. Sounds like we were big on Moir last year too and he’s a WCE supporter so if we can snare him as part of the deal then it becomes viable.

 

[Elite Pete]

Saint meets with Giants, Roos open to pick slide, Pies eye tall duo

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Not looking great

 

[TerryFilk]

It’s looking like Hawthorn’s offer for Barrass is even worse now

It’s also looking like we think we have to split pick 3 to facilitate a Baker deal

Rhino and Twomey now reporting it confirms this is most likely true

This is shaping up to be an off season from hell

 

[new breed]

Hawthorn offer F1 + F2 for Barrass + F pick also .
Maybe F3 might be okay but not really anything required extra .
This is painful .

 

[stallon]

Cripps.

Cripps+12+14 for 3, id make that deal.
Id then tell Richmond to suck it up f2 for Baker or PSD

 

[Mop]

Saint meets with Giants, Roos open to pick slide, Pies eye tall duo

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Not looking great

It isn't anything that hasn't been speculated before, the inference simply being the Carlton offer as reported elsewhere really

 

[Obeanie1]

WHY ARE WE YELLING?!

Maybe we should try other forms of communication?

 

[stallon]

Well Ashton Moir ex pick 20 is a start. That is one kid who would jump at a trade to us IMO.

Are the Blues trading anyone out of any value? Didnt think so.

Something like.

Kennedy a F2nd and WCF3rd to Richmond for losing Baker and 45. Fair.

Eagles lose 3, Petro and a F3rd.

Eagles gain Picks 12 , 14, Baker, Moir and Carrol. Carrol and Petro net off IMO.

So in essense pick 3 and WCF3rd saty 43 for 12, 14, 20(Moir) plus Baker.

Pick 3, 45 and Petruccelle to Blues.

Eagles go to the draft with 12, 14, 26 and whatever falls out?

Note: I dont get why Richmond would consider this unless they will trade for Norths pick 2.

Moir was pick 29, but its not completely awful

 

[archiemoses]

Saint meets with Giants, Roos open to pick slide, Pies eye tall duo

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Not looking great

Embarrassing for team dry sheets who went early.

 

[stallon]

It’s coming from Ryan Daniels to who’s normally pretty bang on with eagles news.

All he has said is that Carlton are chasing pick 3.

No indication if theyre in the ball park or if we are keen.

Exactly the same stuff the vic journos were on about last night

 

[freo1997]

Will say one thing then **** off.

Think we can all agree the shit Eagles/Dockers have to go through with VIC media every trade week is a disgrace. Getting two picks in the teens for 3 in this draft is the most biased trade scenario I’ve seen in a while. Reckon Richmond will cave for a f2 for Baker eventually.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So unless posters have inside information to clarify differently, the big news is that Carlton have pick 12 and 14 lined up as the main pillars for pick 3.To be balanced, I would probably ask for Carrol to be included or a F3. If they want to offer up both F3 and Carrol, then we may be able to find them some later points picks to match on the Campo twins.

In other years, this deal would have felt like unders. However in this year's deeper draft, it feels OK. Not great, but OK.

Options with pick 3
(a) Keeping 3 - getting one of FOS, Smith, Draper or Lalor
(b) Getting 12 and 14 - drafting 2 of Lindsay, Berry, Allan or Hynes and maybe even a sliding Smillie/Travaglia/Tauru (some of these will be inside 12 but they cannot all be) plus either Carrol or a F3


That in itself is absolutely fine and I think our list is better for it.

What worries me is then handing over 12 or 14 for Baker. So we must not do that. Baker should only be traded for a later F1, and even then I want something back this year.


So, we then do the Barrass trade with Hawks for the 2 x F1 they hold for Barrass plus our F2 going east.


We then do the Baker trade with Tigers, we give Hawks F1 for Baker and get back Tigers 51 and 61.


Overall:
Out: 3 Barrass and WCE F2

In:
2024 Baker Carrol 10 12 51 61
2025 1 x Blues F1

Take to the draft
12 14 26 51 61 63 68

There will be good options a 51, 61 and 63 since these picks are all after the Lions and Suns main holdings for bid matching and will come in by 15 spots

We keep our F1 for a top end mid in 2025. Remember, I see the draft in 2025 as having good talent that will be there in the open draft as well as the Northern clubs having many top end Academy prospects. I value high the top 6 pick available next year but the later R1 picks in 2025 will likely be picks in the 20's.

 

[stallon]

The same principle would apply in this situation, no?
We want to retain a first in next year's draft (ours/Carltons etc) and not trade it on to Richmond.

I dont want more assets in the future than we already have I guess is my point.
Doesnt make sense for us, even with a Warner attempt. If we have more assets then Sydney will ask for more

 

[stallon]

All we need to do is beat Fremantle offer in pick.

Warner might do a Baker go to clubs that can offer better pick to Sydney

Do we even need to beat Freos picks?
As long as Warner nominates us Freos picks are irrelevant.

 

[Elite Pete]

It isn't anything that hasn't been speculated before, the inference simply being the Carlton offer as reported elsewhere really

Yeah but from Cal who is by far the most credible.

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

That carlton trade is ****ed.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I dont want more assets in the future than we already have I guess is my point.
Doesnt make sense for us, even with a Warner attempt. If we have more assets then Sydney will ask for more

What do you think our future 1st would be worth this year? Likely to be a top 4 pick.
Would St Kilda give us 7 or 8?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Surely noone is actually justifying a 3 for 12&14 swap. It's batshit crazy, no ifs or buts

12 and 14 for 3 doesn't even make sense points wise in a system that massively overvalues lower picks (and we're not even in the points market)

It's almost the dumbest trade suggestion I've seen and far worse than just turning Barrass into Baker which was in itself ridiculous.

 

[Obeanie1]

Oh so you only came to realisation this in last year?

Media is entertainment. So anything is for entertainment only. Speculation is part of entertainment.

But is bet wetting entertaining?

 

[eaglespremiers]

12 + 14 + Moir + Carroll for 3.

Still think that's well short of the mark.
Carlton have to conjure a top 10 pick or another top 15 pick.

 

[archiemoses]