List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Corn69]

Can we get a concession test done on Clarke??

 

[Obeanie1]

Moir was pick 29, but its not completely awful

True.

He was a 1st rounder though.

The North PP 20 that then slid to pick 29.

We had pick 21 that slid to 30.

Thanks VAFL House.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah but from Cal who is by far the most credible.

This bit of his article got me excited though

"Fremantle has offered Richmond its three first-round picks – 10, 11 and 18 – for Baker and teammate Shai Bolton and remains waiting for him if a trade can't be sealed at West Coast."

 

[Bender_]

So unless posters have inside information to clarify differently, the big news is that Carlton have pick 12 and 14 lined up as the main pillars for pick 3.To be balanced, I would probably ask for Carrol to be included or a F3. If they want to offer up both F3 and Carrol, then we may be able to find them some later points picks to match on the Campo twins.

In other years, this deal would have felt like unders. However in this year's deeper draft, it feels OK. Not great, but OK.

Options with pick 3
(a) Keeping 3 - getting one of FOS, Smith, Draper or Lalor
(b) Getting 12 and 14 - drafting 2 of Lindsay, Berry, Allan or Hynes and maybe even a sliding Smillie/Travaglia/Tauru (some of these will be inside 12 but they cannot all be) plus either Carrol or a F3


That in itself is absolutely fine and I think our list is better for it.

What worries me is then handing over 12 or 14 for Baker. So we must not do that. Baker should only be traded for a later F1, and even then I want something back this year.


So, we then do the Barrass trade with Hawks for the 2 x F1 they hold for Barrass plus our F2 going east.


We then do the Baker trade with Tigers, we give Hawks F1 for Baker and get back Tigers 51 and 61.


Overall:
Out: Barrass and WCE F2

In:
2024 Baker Carrol 10 12 51 61
2025 1 x Blues F1

Take to the draft
12 14 26 51 61 63 68

There will be good options a 51, 61 and 63 since these picks are all after the Lions and Suns main holdings for bid matching and will come in by 15 spots

We keep our F1 for a top end mid in 2025. Remember, I see the draft in 2025 as having good talent that will be there in the open draft as well as the Northern clubs having many top end Academy prospects. I value high the top 6 pick available next year but the later R1 picks in 2025 will likely be picks in the 20's.

Forgetting pick 3 in your outs for us.

 

[TY24]

Can we get a concession test done on Clarke??

Over a hypothetical trade posted on the internet that hasn't actually happened?

 

[stallon]

What do you think our future 1st would be worth this year? Likely to be a top 4 pick.
Would St Kilda give us 7 or 8?

Idk what the saints would be thinking tbh
GC and Bombers are options.
f1 for 6 or f1 for 9+something, something like that id wanna try.

Even Freos 11, do f1 for 11+f1+something

 

[Bender_]

Can we get a concession test done on Clarke??

What concession type do you reckon he gets - cheaper bus and cinema tickets?

 

[Mop]

Looks like the Clarke statue is on hold

 

[Altum Volantes]

This bit of his article got me excited though

"Fremantle has offered Richmond its three first-round picks – 10, 11 and 18 – for Baker and teammate Shai Bolton and remains waiting for him if a trade can't be sealed at West Coast."

That is total bullshit though - why would they do that?

 

[Obeanie1]

Embarrassing for team dry sheets who went early.

Not as embarrassing as team wet sheets who went early. Totally expected but still embarrassing. They just cant help themselves.

Once you wet those sheets they stay wet. And smelly.

 

[Godfather32]

That is total bullshit though - why would they do that?

Fremantle or Richmond?
And why is this bullshit but an extremely stupid and lop-sided trade with Carlton isn't?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

It’s looking like Hawthorn’s offer for Barrass is even worse now

It’s also looking like we think we have to split pick 3 to facilitate a Baker deal

Rhino and Twomey now reporting it confirms this is most likely true

This is shaping up to be an off season from hell

We have a 2nd rounder and a future 2nd rounder .

Why do we have to split 3 ?

 

[maverick001]

3 for 12 and 14 would I think take the cake for our dumbest draft/trading move ever.
But Pyke was quite clear that we would not be compromising our draft hand, so I hold hope we don’t do it

 

[archiemoses]

Not as embarrassing as team wet sheets who went ewrly. They just cant help themselves.

Once you wet those sheets they stay wet. And smelly.

Team wet sheets are only being proven right. They saw the writing on the wall.

 

[TY24]

Team wet sheets are only being proven right

I haven't seen proof of anything

 

[Godfather32]

Team wet sheets are only being proven right. They saw the writing in the wall.

Bender_ you need to start clapping louder

 

[Altum Volantes]

Fremantle or Richmond?
And why is this bullshit but an extremely stupid and lop-sided trade with Carlton isn't?

Fremantle.

It doesn’t make sense - they are offering 10 and 18 for Bolton and chucking in an offer of 11 for Baker - a guy who doesn’t want to play for them?

It’s just not true.

Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great if it was, but it’s not.

 

[KERRPOW]

I flipping hope we dont downgrade pick 3. We need quality not quanity.

 

[Spod]

Very premature to melt about the Hawks offer reported in that article. It is exactly the offer you would put if you were the Hawks at that point of the negotiations.

I'm sure we go back and say 2xF1s for Barrass and a F3 and eventually it lands on 2xF1s for Barrass and a F2.

 

[Godfather32]

Fremantle.

It doesn’t make sense - they are offering 10 and 18 for Bolton and chucking in an offer of 11 for Baker - a guy who doesn’t want to play for them?

It’s just not true.

Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great if it was, but it’s not.

Haha are you kidding? Bell would love to do this, he'd be walking around with a peacock feather in his cap because he'd think he got one over on us

 

[Elite Pete]

Haha are you kidding? Bell would love to do this, he'd be walking around with a peacock feather in his cap because he'd think he got one over on us

I doubt it.

Warner and Bolton are feathers….. Baker ummm.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I flipping hope we dont downgrade pick 3. We need quality not quanity.

While this is true players like Smillie, Reid and Travaglia are still potentially quality and will likely be selected in the 6-9 range.
Our issue is that our draft hand so far this year (Barrass and Baker trades notwithstanding) we have one elite pick (3), one good pick (26) and then nothing for the rest of this draft (a couple of very late picks). Hardly ideal for a rebuilding team.

 

[whatis]

So another nightmare season, sacked coach, only to end up a pick worthy of 7th on the ladder, and an out-of-contract 27-year-old? Excuse me while I go piss myself.

 

[Obeanie1]

Team wet sheets are only being proven right. They saw the writing in the wall.

Team wetsheets......lol

What happened?

 

[Godfather32]

I doubt it.

Warner and Bolton are feathers….. Baker ummm.

I said that he'd think he got one over on us, not that he actually would.
Baker going to Freo is perfect because it stops us doing something stupid to get him.