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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
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  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

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  188cm

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  85kg

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  20.7

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  386.5

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  5.8

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  2.2

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  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
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  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

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  180cm

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  80kg

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  4.8

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  166.0

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  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[RanaNaved]

I think Adelaide will take Draper or are they trading their pick 4 for lukosciis or NB?

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Yeah they're trading pick 4 for Alex Neal-Bullen

 

[pantskyle]

I think Adelaide will take Draper or are they trading their pick 4 for lukosciis or NB?

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4 won't be used in that trade.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

My preference order for us would be:

Jagga
Draper
Gap
Smillie
Lalor
O'Sullivan
Langford
Travaglia

Basically with 3 if we can't get Jagga or Draper I'd try trade back to still get a Smillie, Lalor, FOS or Langford plus another draft pick in the teens.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I just don't see Draper going top 4. I reckon WC will get one of Lalor, Langford and FOS if we hold. If we trade 3 for 6 and Baker then I'd tip we take Draper if the other three are gone

I think you are mixing up what you would do as against what the club will do (unless you have insights into how Clarke and Pyke have agreed the club will be heading).

Now that the Pieman has gone, I suggest it will be a very different world. Clarke has a track record of finding recruits who can win contested football. As I say, a different world.

And yes, maybe I am being petty but I am probably well and truly over people claiming that they "Know what we will do".

 

[RanaNaved]

I think you are mixing up what you would do as against what the club will do (unless you have insights into how Clarke and Pyke have agreed the club will be heading).

Now that the Pieman has gone, I suggest it will be a very different world. Clarke has a track record of finding recruits who can win contested football. As I say, a different world.

And yes, maybe I am being petty but I am probably well and truly over people claiming that they "Know what we will do".

Who's claiming they "know what we will do"?

 

[eaglevision]

Cal is not the best talent spotter but he is the best networker so I take his rankings seriously as he has recruitment and list managers giving input

I suggest posters stop worrying about F/S and Academy prospects as they will continue to be met in 2024 with later points. Here is Cal's ranking minus those not available in the open pool
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I do not want to slide back from 3 UNLESS it is with a 6 and 9. Would Richmond do it? If they get a big enough haul of R1 they may want to jump early on pairing of their gun mids. A pairing of say Smith and Langford or Smith and Reid may be desirable. I suggest with Cal ranking Langford at 2 (1 after Levi) is that the Tigers are interested. He always likes to validate himself on his rankings.

For those against the slide, questions is would you prefer

Stay - FOS or Draper or Lalor
Slide - Smillie or Draper PLUS Tauru or Travaglia

If it was to fall out that way, I am taking the slide. Add to that a Berry or Lindsay at the Hawks bid and Oliver or Gross at our R2

We could walk away with Draper, Travaglia, Lindsay and Gross all inside 25. 2 balanced mids plus a small forward who can run through the midfield and an attacking half back who can also play an outside leading mid/wing role.

I am thinking we have enough developing talls to wait for one later or try to sell off the Hawks sweetener (whatever it may be) to get a KPDer this year. There are plenty later in the draft.

I’m liking Cal having FOS ranked at pick 3, as you say he loves his validation and that indicates that’s where he expects him to go at this stage. If the 3 for 6 and 9 split got us the best mid left and Travaglia I’d be inclined to split, otherwise I’m still keen to take FOS.

I think the Crows would then take Lalor or Draper at 4. I’m hearing they aren’t as into Draper as some may think.

 

[mattyc75]

I just don't see Draper going top 4. I reckon WC will get one of Lalor, Langford and FOS if we hold. If we trade 3 for 6 and Baker then I'd tip we take Draper if the other three are gone

Hope we don't take FOS in any scenario

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[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m liking Cal having FOS ranked at pick 3, as you say he loves his validation and that indicates that’s where he expects him to go at this stage. If the 3 for 6 and 9 split got us the best mid left and Travaglia I’d be inclined to split, otherwise I’m still keen to take FOS.

I think the Crows would then take Lalor or Draper at 4. I’m hearing they aren’t as into Draper as some may think.

I have no idea what Crows are thinking but they do not need Draper as they have a number of players that are not dissimilar in playing style to him. Crows are likely to be prioritising getting Lukosius and Neal Bullen. Could they go Lukosius with a F1 (some later picks coming back depending on how desperate Suns are to offload) and pick 25 this year is seemingly a done deal for ANB.

 

[pantskyle]

Some very good prospects are going to be taken in the 30s and 40s, need to be loading up this draft IMO.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Is Trainor a flight risk?

Seems to be sliding a tad on Cal's rankings, alternatively seems like Travaglia is rising...

Fair enough as Tobie beat him in the last marking contest of the Champs.

 

[stallon]

What about a split of pick 13 down for 3 picks in the 20s/30s?
If we got the Hawks F1 id rather split that but pick 13 could be used.

Going into the draft with 4 picks between 20 and 40(before champion bid) could cover every list hole we have to some extent, and as has been said many times this may be the year to do it.

Get a KPD, ruck, half back and a winger or something, along with Draper/FOS/whoever with pick 3 and Champion. 6 picks for 6 players who all play different roles in a deep draft mightn't be a bad haul

 

[Barrybran]

Going more off Twomey's phantom, something like this appears to be where things are at:

#1 RICH - Smith
#2 BRIS - Match bid for Ashcroft
#3 NM - Langford
#4 WCE - Draper
#5 ADE - FOS
#6 MELB - M. Reid
#7 GC - Smillie
#8 STK - Lalor
#9 ESS - Tauru
#10 FREO - Allan
#11 COLL - Armstrong
#12 CARL - Travaglia
#13 WB - Trainor
#14 GC - Match bid on Lombard
#15 WC - Berry? Hotton? Lindsay? Hynes? Dodson?

Personally really hoping someone like Travaglia gets through but thanks to stupid Hawthorn and their stupid run their pick is likely to see us selecting from the next bracket of players. Honestly don't know who to take in that range! Berry would make sense but we will be adding Champion later in the draft, too. Lindsay a safe bet. Hynes for x-factor... If this is how it pans out, it will be very intriguing to see who we go with.

It looks like one of Freo's picks are missing but do we make a play for Freo's pick 10? 13 + 23 for 10 + 27?

 

[CountryLad]

What I’d love to see this off season. Stay in the draft and don’t waste picks on average players during trade week.

Dockers get Baker and Bolton for 9 & 10 plus sweetners.

Barrass & F2 to Hawks for pick 13 & Hawks F1

Three way deal with Suns and Tigers

Eagles get 6,12, 29 & 39
Tigers Get pick 3
Suns get Rioli, Hawks F1, 23

Darling & F4 to Nth
Nth F3 to Eagles

Take 6,12,13,23,40 & 59

1 Smith (Tigers)
2 Ashcroft (bid) Lions*
3 Draper (Nth)
4 Fos (Tigers)
5 Lalor (Crows)
6 Reid (Dees)
7 Langford (Eagles)
8 Smillie (Saints)
9 Lombard (Suns) Academy*
10 Tauru (ESS)
11 Trainor (Tigers)
12 Armstrong (Tigers)
13 Kako (ESS) Academy*
14 Berry (Blues)
15 Travaglia (Eagles)
16 Allan (Eagles)

29 Gerryn/O’Farrell (Eagles)
39 Barrat/Davis (Eagles)
59 Champion (Eagles)

There are a number of different candidates for pick 29 and 39. Just giving examples above.

I think we will be interested in Langford. He gets criticism for his athletic ability but at AFL level he will be an inside mid that can push fwd and take a good grab. I’ve loved his thirst for the contest and at his size he will be a bull. Big mids will get it done in contested finals.

Contested ball has been a big issue for us for a while now and I see Langford and Allan addressing this issue as they develop. I think both hit the ball harder than anyone in the draft. Allan has speed which Langford hasn’t, Langford finds more of the ball. Both have penetrating kicks.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I missed 150 posts in a morning....small summary of the debate?

I notice the ESPN top 30 rankings shifted a bit.

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[Elite Pete]

I think the Crows would nearly be a lock for Draper at 4 if they keep it.

For us it’s either Langford, Jagga or Draper if we stay at 3.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Hope we don't take FOS in any scenario

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Remember your post on this, and in 2 years from now I want to see a mea culpa.

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[Mattman93]

Now that the Pieman has gone, I suggest it will be a very different world. Clarke has a track record of finding recruits who can win contested football. As I say, a different world.

Firstly, Clarke isn't even our head recruiter, Massey is, and secondly, does he?

Richmond's drafting in the recent past has been sketchy as hell tbh. It's not that clear to me yet that Clarke is much chop apart from the association with a dominant club.

 

[Wce17]

What I’d love to see this off season. Stay in the draft and don’t waste picks on average players during trade week.

Dockers get Baker and Bolton for 9 & 10.

Barrass & F2 to Hawks for pick 13 & Hawks F1

Three way deal with Suns and Tigers

Eagles get 6,12, 29 & 39
Tigers Get pick 3
Suns get Rioli, Hawks F1, 23

Darling & F4 to Nth
Nth F3 to Eagles

Take 6,12,13,23,40 & 59

1 Smith (Tigers)
2 Ashcroft (bid) Lions*
3 Draper (Nth)
4 Fos (Tigers)
5 Lalor (Crows)
6 Reid (Dees)
7 Langford (Eagles)
8 Smillie (Saints)
9 Lombard (Suns) Academy*
10 Tauru (ESS)
11 Trainor (Tigers)
12 Armstrong (Tigers)
13 Kako (ESS) Academy*
14 Berry (Blues)
15 Travaglia (Eagles)
16 Allan (Eagles)

29 Gerryn/O’Farrell (Eagles)
39 Barrat/Davis (Eagles)
59 Champion (Eagles)

There are a number of different candidates for pick 29 and 39. Just giving examples above.

I think we will be interested in Langford. He gets criticism for his athletic ability but at AFL level he will be an inside mid that can push fwd and take a good grab. I’ve loved his thirst for the contest and at his size he will be a bull. Big mids will get it done in contested finals.

Contested ball has been a big issue for us for a while now and I see Langford and Allan addressing this issue as they develop. I think both hit the ball harder than anyone in the draft. Allan has speed which Langford hasn’t, Langford finds more of the ball. Both have penetrating kicks.

Bolton alone should cost Fremantle 9 & 10 with nothing coming back let alone including Baker.

He’s a contracted player and he’s a gun. Not sure why Fremantle supporters in particular think just because they want him it decreases his value.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If we get a F1 for Barrass

I wonder if we trade ours for Richmond (6 and 9) if they ended up with those

Would give us 3, 6, 9, 13 and 23

It's a way of getting baker in

Our F1 and 23 for 6 9 baker.


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[Elite Pete]

Bolton alone should cost Fremantle 9 & 10 with nothing coming back let alone including Baker.

He’s a contracted player and he’s a gun. Not sure why Fremantle supporters in particular think just because they want him it decreases his value.

I think Bolton will be 9 & 16.

10 will still be with Freo unless Baker nominates and then it will be included with a pick going back.

 

[CountryLad]

Bolton alone should cost Fremantle 9 & 10 with nothing coming back let alone including Baker.

He’s a contracted player and he’s a gun. Not sure why Fremantle supporters in particular think just because they want him it decreases his value.

Probably right and they have more than just 9 & 10 to use though

 

[CountryLad]

Hahaha, I did the same. I got to about 5 and then started scrolling quickly to try find him, then laughed.

Yeah. If Reid goes at pick 16 I’ll delete my account Dark Sharks style.

 

[bzparkes]

Firstly, Clarke isn't even our head recruiter, Massey is, and secondly, does he?

Richmond's drafting in the recent past has been sketchy as hell tbh. It's not that clear to me yet that Clarke is much chop apart from the association with a dominant club.

Massey's our national recruiting manager, which focuses on the draft. That was Clarke's role at Richmond.

 

[maverick001]

As far as we're aware, only Reid has mummy issues in the top 10.

WCE have supposedly done a home visit for Langford a few weeks ago.

Now the top ranked player in open pool, looking like he won’t be available to us which is a shame as Langford is my preferred

 

[Wooshaaaa]

What I’d love to see this off season. Stay in the draft and don’t waste picks on average players during trade week.

Dockers get Baker and Bolton for 9 & 10 plus sweetners.

Barrass & F2 to Hawks for pick 13 & Hawks F1

Three way deal with Suns and Tigers

Eagles get 6,12, 29 & 39
Tigers Get pick 3
Suns get Rioli, Hawks F1, 23

Darling & F4 to Nth
Nth F3 to Eagles

Take 6,12,13,23,40 & 59

1 Smith (Tigers)
2 Ashcroft (bid) Lions*
3 Draper (Nth)
4 Fos (Tigers)
5 Lalor (Crows)
6 Reid (Dees)
7 Langford (Eagles)
8 Smillie (Saints)
9 Lombard (Suns) Academy*
10 Tauru (ESS)
11 Trainor (Tigers)
12 Armstrong (Tigers)
13 Kako (ESS) Academy*
14 Berry (Blues)
15 Travaglia (Eagles)
16 Allan (Eagles)

29 Gerryn/O’Farrell (Eagles)
39 Barrat/Davis (Eagles)
59 Champion (Eagles)

There are a number of different candidates for pick 29 and 39. Just giving examples above.

I think we will be interested in Langford. He gets criticism for his athletic ability but at AFL level he will be an inside mid that can push fwd and take a good grab. I’ve loved his thirst for the contest and at his size he will be a bull. Big mids will get it done in contested finals.

Contested ball has been a big issue for us for a while now and I see Langford and Allan addressing this issue as they develop. I think both hit the ball harder than anyone in the draft. Allan has speed which Langford hasn’t, Langford finds more of the ball. Both have penetrating kicks.

I get that we need a Yeo inside bull type, but we are desperate for a slick/speedy moving Mcgluggage type AND an accumulator. Getting both Langford and Allen only addresses one of our three midfield needs.

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