List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Jez1974]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the history of players with his profile, being undersized energy players who happen to be turnover merchants who don’t kick bucket loads of goals indicates he’ll play until he’s 40?

Leave him at Richmond or better still, the old heave ho

 

[TerryFilk]

Baker has finished in the top 5 of Richmond’s B&F the last 4 or so seasons I believe, I think everyone here is severely under rating how good he is.

With that being said, given our position, F2 or 23 should be the most we give up and even 23 I’d hate given the draft depth

 

[Godfather32]

Baker has finished in the top 5 of Richmond’s B&F the last 4 or so seasons I believe, I think everyone here is severely under rating how good he is.

With that being said, given our position, F2 or 23 should be the most we give up and even 23 I’d hate given the draft depth

And Duggan's been top 5 in our last 3, do you reckon he would get a pick around 23 in a trade right now?

 

[Elite Pete]

It's also about his age, particularly in a year when the draft is this deep. Could be throwing away the chance at 200 game player for the sake of a guy who's highly unlikely to be on the team next time we're contending

Been listening to coaches Simmo, Mitchell and Clarko lately all day you just don’t know when it will pop. A 27 year old of his calibre should have a. Good 5 years left.

Also by getting better you can get into the convo for good free agents you have to start winning. Baker individually won’t do it, by he will help. It’s a win win this year imo. Baker comes great (for pick 23 or F2) or we go to the draft. It doesn’t have to be doom and gloom one way or the other. Unless we trade pick 13 for him then I’ll grab my pitch fork and join the Draft Mafia

 

[Choogler]

The Gold Coast fans I've seen have all said they're in 'win now' mode and appear to be all for pushing picks back into next year's draft. There is certainly an opportunity to leverage this using our F1. I don't think it would be 6 AND 12 seeing as the Suns appear to be all in on Rioli but it could be as simple as 6 + 26 for our F1. Maybe 46 as well or 20 instead of 26.

That would leave us with 3, 6, 13, 23, 26 this year but either Hawks' F1 or our F2 as our best pick next year, likely meaning no Warner (unless we did it this year with the above hand).

My other exceptionally left field suggestion
Our F1, Darling and $800,000 for NM Pick 2.
We'll finish bottom 3 again so the F1 could be 1, 2, or 3 so effectively a pick swap and they get Darling and his first year free. I'd even give them 59 to get it done.
2, 3, 13, 23 is a great hand. Maybe then offer GC 3 for 6 & 20.
Go to the draft with 2, 6, 13, 20, 23. Use 20 on Baker.
Lots of permutations, we don't even know what the TB deal will end up? If we get 13, and an F1 or more likely, an f2 then we can use the Hawks f1/f2 in any trade offer.

 

[TerryFilk]

And Duggan's been top 5 in our last 3, do you reckon he would get a pick around 23 in a trade right now?

Yeah, in arguably our 3 worst years in club history. Baker is a three time premiership player and was placing high in their B&F’s when they were good, as well as when they were bad.

Baker is comfortably better than Duggan.

 

[Godfather32]

Been listening to coaches Simmo, Mitchell and Clarko lately all day you just don’t know when it will pop. A 27 year old of his calibre should have a. Good 5 years left.

Also by getting better you can get into the convo for good free agents you have to start winning. Baker individually won’t do it, by he will help. It’s a win win this year imo. Baker comes great (for pick 23 or F2) or we go to the draft. It doesn’t have to be doom and gloom one way or the other. Unless we trade pick 13 for him then I’ll grab my pitch fork and join the Draft Mafia

I just don't see his value for us considering what Richmond will want, if he was 23 or so then yeah go for it.
He's the type of guy you get to help push you over the top (a Chick or Stenglein type), not one you want at this stage of our rebuild imo.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah, in arguably our 3 worst years in club history. Baker is a three time premiership player and was placing high in their B&F’s when they were good, as well as when they were bad.

Baker is comfortably better than Duggan.

You realise Richmond have been pretty damn average (albeit not as bad as us) for the last 4 seasons right?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Baker has finished in the top 5 of Richmond’s B&F the last 4 or so seasons I believe, I think everyone here is severely under rating how good he is.

With that being said, given our position, F2 or 23 should be the most we give up and even 23 I’d hate given the draft depth

I’d like baker in our team and think he’d really help lift our floor without making us too good that we miss out on more good draft picks. I just don’t want to overpay, that’s all.

 

[Monocle]

I’d like baker in our team and think he’d really help lift our floor without making us too good that we miss out on more good draft picks. I just don’t want to overpay, that’s all.

I think that pretty much sums up how most posters feel about Baker, in particular the bolded bit.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I think that pretty much sums up how most posters feel about Baker, in particular the bolded bit.

I feel like 23 might be too much. Having just two picks before pick 60 odd just feels way to lite on.

Swapping out future picks to get back into this draft because we gave away 23 isn’t ideal either

 

[Choogler]

Why is GC trading the certainty of pick 6 and a 2nd round pick for an unknown future pick?
We'd be the ones having to throw a sweetener in, not GC, and even then I don't think any sane club trades out a pick 6 for an unknown pick, you play that kind of roulette with later picks.

except if they think we'll finish bottom 3 and they need to bank picks for their 2025 Academy players, one of whom is reputed to be in the discussion for pick 1. You have to bear in mind the DVI will change next year where points will only be allocated up to Pick 54 and each pick from 2 - 54 will be worth less. Also, picks 1 - 18 will now attract a 10% discount instead of 20%. Effectively, the AFL have taken 10,000 points out of the DVI points pool. Also, GC are likely to pick up a first rounder in a trade for Lukosius.
Lots of permutations to work through but there is one constant, if you don't ask, you will never receive

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Suns would be crazy to gift the Tigers pick 6 unless a fair bit was coming back.

Lombard bid will be after pick 6 and in no way is Rioli worth pick 6 in a straight swap.

Suns could give 6 for Rioli and ask for a F2

 

[Barrybran]

Why is GC trading the certainty of pick 6 and a 2nd round pick for an unknown future pick?
We'd be the ones having to throw a sweetener in, not GC, and even then I don't think any sane club trades out a pick 6 for an unknown pick, you play that kind of roulette with later picks.

On face value, I agree, however as the fans I've spoken to have said, they don't have a need for another 18 year old kid this year when they're trying to win now and have multiple academy kids next year. I also don't think giving up pick 6 for Rioli is good business.

The unknown factor is absolutely true but our F1 is likely to be pick 2 or 3 next year. Even if we hold our own at home next year, we still have to win away games to make that pick worth anything less than 6 or 7.

 

[ToastieBoy18]

My other exceptionally left field suggestion
Our F1, Darling and $800,000 for NM Pick 2.
We'll finish bottom 3 again so the F1 could be 1, 2, or 3 so effectively a pick swap and they get Darling and his first year free. I'd even give them 59 to get it done.
2, 3, 13, 23 is a great hand. Maybe then offer GC 3 for 6 & 20.
Go to the draft with 2, 6, 13, 20, 23. Use 20 on Baker.
Lots of permutations, we don't even know what the TB deal will end up? If we get 13, and an F1 or more likely, an f2 then we can use the Hawks f1/f2 in any trade offer.

I think I have read this exact same post 6 times, on this thread alone. We get it!

 

[Wight Wolf]

A team of children wont get anywhere. Baker for the right price is a must (second rounder). The age profile fits perfectly.

Graham however offers very little.

 

[TerryFilk]

You realise Richmond have been pretty damn average (albeit not as bad as us) for the last 4 seasons right?

You realise he finished 6th in their B&F for their last flag right?

Followed by a 2nd place finish in 2021

Followed by a 4th place finish in 2022 when they made finals

He has been a top 5-7 player for them for a long time, not just since they’ve started rebuilding.

I don’t even want to trade for Baker really but the narrative he’s just an average footballer is hilarious and absolutely wrong.

 

[random260]

A team of children wont get anywhere. Baker for the right price is a must (second rounder). The age profile fits perfectly.

Graham however offers very little.

No we still have a vacant defensive mid we need filled. Also he's younger then baker

IMO Graham is a bigger need then Baker unless Baker can be that defensive mid. We already have a staff of the same HBF in Baker (duggan, witho, cole etc.)

 

[Choogler]

And Duggan's been top 5 in our last 3, do you reckon he would get a pick around 23 in a trade right now?

They actually boast amazingly similar career stats and ratings but Duggan has better disposal efficiency at 74% to 69% for Baker. So, if you reckon Duggans not worth 23 nor is Baker. Bear in mind though, 23 will end up closer to 30 than it will to 20 once FA compensation, FS and Academy picks are added in!!

 

[Mop]

So you're banking on Baker playing well into his 30s?

Well into his 30s? 32/33? That's still 6/7 years of service.

 

[Elite Pete]

Well into his 30s? 32/33? That's still 6/7 years of service.

Doesn’t fit his narrative unlike correcting other posters maths.

 

[Choogler]

I think I have read this exact same post 6 times, on this thread alone. We get it!

scroll on!

 

[Godfather32]

You realise he finished 6th in their B&F for their last flag right?

Followed by a 2nd place finish in 2021

Followed by a 4th place finish in 2022 when they made finals

He has been a top 5-7 player for them for a long time, not just since they’ve started rebuilding.

I don’t even want to trade for Baker really but the narrative he’s just an average footballer is hilarious and absolutely wrong.

I don't really care where he finished in their best and fairest, just provided a comparable player from our team which is apparently different.
And I don't think I've ever said he was just an average footballer, I just don't want him at the price we'll have to pay Richmond, given his age and where our rebuild is at.

 

[Godfather32]

Doesn’t fit his narrative unlike correcting other posters maths.

I didn't correct anyone's maths

 

[ziad]

A team of children wont get anywhere. Baker for the right price is a must (second rounder). The age profile fits perfectly.

Graham however offers very little.

Right Price !