List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Jupes]

Why on earth would Baker sign a 1 year deal?

He could get a career ending injury next year and he's stuffed.

because it would really help us keep our draft capital

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So it’s a no to Baker and Graham?

You said he only cost salary cap.

I corrected you. As a matter of response, I would take Baker at a modest draft pick (F2) and I am ok with Graham. It seems you irk up when called out!

Tell me, it was a crap season for West Coast but part of the benefit in finishing 16th, I had hoped that you would flick off and provide Norf and Crunt Road with your wisdom and company.

How about it? Can you do us a favour?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Do we need to have this same chat every year?

Dom was considered a much better player at the time and get for us than Cripps, by the length of the Flemington.




Can't be a hindsight hero when 12 other picks went before Cripps in that draft.

In fairness I remember watching Cripps live at Docklands dismantling the SA midfield in 2013 and thinking that this kid would be something special. If you just saw that game in isolation you would have a very good glimpse of the tremendous stoppage player he'd become.

 

[ronpingwins]

Still hanging out for the big fish the club is going to land. How much longer do we need to wait WCE_phil?

1 week

 

[maverick001]

That and Cripps was seen as a huge reach at the time.

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.
• Carlton saw enough in him to pull the trigger at 14. Eagles recruiters failed to identify it. Of course its ridiculous to expect every draft pick is nailed, but it's also fair to say we failed to identify a local talent that others successfully identified. And when viewed in the context of all the other draft picks taken over a 5-6 year period, it's yet another that we got wrong.
• Ultimately he only went 2 places later than sheed, so the argument that 12 other clubs passed on Cripps so he can't have been that much of a standout can also be applied to Sheed - 10 other clubs passed on him for a reason too.
• Not bagging dom, he was a good afl player until his injuries. But he's gotten nowhere near Cripps level.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.
• Carlton saw enough in him to pull the trigger at 14. Eagles recruiters failed to identify it. Of course its ridiculous to expect every draft pick is nailed, but it's also fair to say we failed to identify a local talent that others successfully identified. And when viewed in the context of all the other draft picks taken over a 5-6 year period, it's yet another that we got wrong.
• Ultimately he only went 2 places later than sheed, so the argument that 12 other clubs passed on Cripps so he can't have been that much of a standout can also be applied to Sheed - 10 other clubs passed on him for a reason too.
• Not bagging dom, he was a good afl player until his injuries. But he's gotten nowhere near Cripps level.

Sheed won us a Grand Final off his boot. That takes away the sting of not drafting him, to me.

 

[maverick001]

Sheed won us a Grand Final off his boot. That takes away the sting of not drafting him, to me.

I actually agree with this sentiment to a large degree.
doesn't change the fact though that cripps has been a vastly superior player & we failed to see it coming. As I said though, can't get them all right. But we haven't gotten enough right for a long time.

 

[Tugga27]

He could set his price at 2million for 1 year

You think Richmond would pay him 2 million?

Also, his next contract would probably be $700 000 for 5.

 

[THE A5]

That 2013 drafts was weird. I swear we were linked to Sheed all year and we ultimately ended up even trading down and taking him. I can’t recall any other year we’ve been linked to a player throughout the whole season and ultimately picking him. Usually who we take with our first pick is sorta of a guess till very close to the draft.

 

[Lazzas]

 

[stallon]

You think Richmond would pay him 2 million?

Also, his next contract would probably be $700 000 for 5.

no, but then he goes to the draft with a 2million dollar contract over his head which we could pick up, then immediately renegotiate to smooth it out over however many years

 

[Tugga27]

no, but then he goes to the draft with a 2million dollar contract over his head which we could pick up, then immediately renegotiate to smooth it out over however many years

What's the advantage?

Why wouldn't he just nominate us in the first instance though?

 

[stallon]

What's the advantage?

Why wouldn't he just nominate us in the first instance though?

get him for a later pick than 23

 

[Selurs]

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.

Nah, there was definitely a feeling at the time that he was a reach. Maybe not a big one, but still enough of a surprise to be a topic of conversation at the time. Similar vibe to when Adelaide took Dangerfield.

 

[Keys]

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.
• Carlton saw enough in him to pull the trigger at 14. Eagles recruiters failed to identify it. Of course its ridiculous to expect every draft pick is nailed, but it's also fair to say we failed to identify a local talent that others successfully identified. And when viewed in the context of all the other draft picks taken over a 5-6 year period, it's yet another that we got wrong.
• Ultimately he only went 2 places later than sheed, so the argument that 12 other clubs passed on Cripps so he can't have been that much of a standout can also be applied to Sheed - 10 other clubs passed on him for a reason too.
• Not bagging dom, he was a good afl player until his injuries. But he's gotten nowhere near Cripps level.

That’s from Cal Twomey’s predraft ratings

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Champion Data didn’t have Cripps in their top 30 and the mock draft in that article had Essendon taking Cripps at 26

This is what the Carlton recruiter said about Cripps post draft



Fair to say his assessment of Cripps was bang on and their gamble paid off in spades - Cripps was a reach at 13 but they saw something others didn’t. Well done them

Doesn’t mean we were wrong to take Sheed though based on evidence at the time

 

[Dark Sharks]

Tip of the cap to the blues on that one.


The stupid ****ing dog campaigners.

 

[dajesmac]

We made up for it by getting Karpany anyway

 

[Patron]

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Very good. Few players like Lombard, Malakai etc need their tied to added.


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[TY24]

Yeo and Gov are too old to generate a first or second rounder. Of the rest, Barrass and Allen, maybe Waterman have value. Love to hear who "easily" generates high picks other than those I listed.

Harley probably generates 3 on his own.

Reckon Ginbey and Hewett would both go for a late first rounder if we needed to have a fire sale too.

 

[amazingjoshy]

GFs won off their own boot

Sheed 1
Cripps 0

Plus if we had Cripps in the years since we probably don't slide as hard last year and miss out on Harley

So we'd end up with 2 Cripps Brownlows but quite possibly no flag and no Harley

Also it was over 10 years ago so possibly get over it

 

[stallon]

Harley probably generates 3 on his own.

Reckon Ginbey and Hewett would both go for a late first rounder if we needed to have a fire sale too.

We could maybe snag a late 1st for Hough too

 

[briztoon]

You said he only cost salary cap.

I corrected you. As a matter of response, I would take Baker at a modest draft pick (F2) and I am ok with Graham. It seems you irk up when called out!

Tell me, it was a crap season or West Coast but part of the benefit in finishing 16th, I had hoped that you would flick off and provide Norf and Crunt Road with your wisdom and company.

How about it? Can you do us a favour?

Didn’t irk up at anything, that’s you projecting your own biases when reading my post.

I haves’t really commented on your season before, and don’t feel the need to now. Not what I’m interested in discussing.

As I’ve mentioned multiple times, I like your board and posters, as you guys come across as alright people, which can’t be said for all boards, including the two you mentioned.


Personally I’d rather discuss the merits of Baker and Graham to West Coast, but don’t know where you stand on either player and a potential move to West Coast.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

How draft picks are considered a reach or a slider is weird.

Maybe the blues rated him at 1 and he slid to them

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.
• Carlton saw enough in him to pull the trigger at 14. Eagles recruiters failed to identify it. Of course its ridiculous to expect every draft pick is nailed, but it's also fair to say we failed to identify a local talent that others successfully identified. And when viewed in the context of all the other draft picks taken over a 5-6 year period, it's yet another that we got wrong.
• Ultimately he only went 2 places later than sheed, so the argument that 12 other clubs passed on Cripps so he can't have been that much of a standout can also be applied to Sheed - 10 other clubs passed on him for a reason too.
• Not bagging dom, he was a good afl player until his injuries. But he's gotten nowhere near Cripps level.

Someone on here has the ability to show player vs player stats....I can't find it.


Look at tim.kelly vs Dom Sheed for 2018/19 seasons stats. They are very similar, in one of the years, 19, almost identical.

Sheed was worth the selection, and injury has crueled him.


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[Happy Mastenator]

Someone on here has the ability to show player vs player stats....I can't find it.


Look at tim.kelly vs Dom Sheed for 2018/19 seasons stats. They are very similar, in one of the years, 19, almost identical.

Sheed was worth the selection, and injury has crueled him.


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2018

2019


Sheed Career. Pretty much played decent football from 2017-2021 then it was over. That 2022 year where he could only managed 1 game ruined him. He went from a pretty balanced inside/outside mid to losing his ability to impact at the contest and in space.