List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[eaglevision]

I like the idea. but how?

We are likely to have pick 3, pick 13 and pick 23. Then a late pick for Champion. If we have to give up 23 for Baker, who you said we are bringing in. That leaves us with two picks of any sort of quality + Champion. Where are the other 2 or 3 drafted players coming from? Picks in the 70's? Good luck with that.

Once teams have used their allocated list spots and bid matching has burnt picks I think there will still be some AFL quality players at the back end of the draft. That being said I agree with you and would love to see us trade out players surplus to requirements to get some picks in the 35-50 range. Starting with telling Norf pick 64 is not going to cut it for Darling. Only had to watch Archer Reid in the game Darling played to see that he’s still more valuable on the list than pick 64.

 

[eaglevision]

Cal often mentions the main pillar of the deal but glosses over the other parts. Will be interesting to see what Norf expect back or whether it is a straightforward F1 as a stand alone

Even if the deal was F1 for Houston and F2 Port should jump at that as the best SA prospect along with JHF in the last decade.

 

[mattyc75]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

Sheed is exactly who we don't need setting standards on the field at wafl level. Pay him out

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[CountryLad]

Cal reporting that Norf have offered their F1 for Dan Houston. Norf could offer Houston as much money as he wants and with Dyson Sharp looming next year Port be absolutely nuts not to take that deal.

Very brief mention of Barrass “Pick 13 plus something extra”, not worth listening to.

Surely Ports F1 would be going back. Or at least a pick swap of some type.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

The problem is that he’s just never going to be part of our next push up the ladder.

Speed of ball movement is critical in modern footy, and sadly for Witherden he lacks pace and is a slow decision maker with ball in hand.

As much as he is B22, we need to replace players of his type to improve

I think it might be premature to delist Witherden. Up until Witherden is pushed out of our B22 by a youngster, he has a role to play. If he was only marginally in our best, fair enough, sayonara. Until then, he provides competition for spots, depth and a mature body (and credit to him, when it's his turn to go he never flinches).

 

[eaglevision]

Surely Ports F1 would be going back. Or at least a pick swap of some type.

I’m not even going to speculate on what rational trade thinking looks like for Norf or Gold Coast but needless to say if Norf gave F1 for Houston and/or GCS gave pick 6 for Rioli with nothing coming back I would not be in the least bit surprised.

 

[Bender_]

I’m not even going to speculate on what rational trade thinking looks like for Norf or Gold Coast but needless to say if Norf gave F1 for Houston and/or GCS gave pick 6 for Rioli with nothing coming back I would not be in the least bit surprised.

If both those things happen someone needs to step in for these perennial losers to stop them making bad decisions.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Once teams have used their allocated list spots and bid matching has burnt picks I think there will still be some AFL quality players at the back end of the draft. That being said I agree with you and would love to see us trade out players surplus to requirements to get some picks in the 35-50 range. Starting with telling Norf pick 64 is not going to cut it for Darling. Only had to watch Archer Reid in the game Darling played to see that he’s still more valuable on the list than pick 64.

Norf could offer pick 164 and I think WCE would still take it. They will offer whatever highest pick they have that they don't need, not what biased WCE supporters perceive is Darling's value (the same Darling that only 2 months ago we were all cheering for being dropped to the WAFL).
We're clearing Darling's salary off our books, creating a list spot and giving a 298 game club champion a chance to extend his career.

The draft pick coming back is purely because he's contracted and needs to be traded under AFL rules.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

If both those things happen someone needs to step in for these perennial losers to stop them making bad decisions.

Clarke & Hardwick (along with Scott) are the most successful coaches of the last 25 years. If they can't steer their clubs in the right direction, the AFL might as well fold Norf & GC because they'd be beyond help.

 

[eaglevision]

Norf could offer pick 164 and I think WCE would still take it. They will offer whatever highest pick they have that they don't need, not what biased WCE supporters perceive is Darling's value (the same Darling that only 2 months ago we were all cheering for being dropped to the WAFL).
We're clearing Darling's salary off our books, creating a list spot and giving a 298 game club champion a chance to extend his career.

The draft pick coming back is purely because he's contracted and needs to be traded under AFL rules.

Maybe they will but if they do I certainly don’t share that view of list management.

 

[briztoon]

Brizkent is part of the furniture at this point. Can't imagine this board, and this thread in particular without him.

How many offseason has it been now... 3?

Still hasn't explained the academys much to us though, wouldn't mind a detailed breakdown

Well, as we say on our board…

 

[briztoon]

Surely Ports F1 would be going back. Or at least a pick swap of some type.

Port will trade their F1 for Lukosius.

 

[Bender_]

Clarke & Hardwick (along with Scott) are the most successful coaches of the last 25 years. If they can't steer their clubs in the right direction, the AFL might as well fold Norf & GC because they'd be beyond help.

Clarkson seems to be getting desperate IMO, if he can't get some semblance of improvement this year then he's going to start getting deserved negative attention, he's been coasting on patience and goodwill and needs results.

Hardwick has entered a team with a good list that is a bit weak mentally, he's a good chance to turn it around there but chucking pick 6 at Rioli sounds desperate. Really it's only the media reporting on these picks but they are crazy prices for the age and quality of the 2 players concerned.

 

[CountryLad]

Port will trade their F1 for Lukosius.

I thought he was going to the Crows….

 

[bzparkes]

I thought he was going to the Crows….

Preference is reported to be Power.

Tbh, doesn't really make sense for Crows, they already have Fogarty and Thilthorpe and they need mids more than anything.

 

[eaglevision]

I thought he was going to the Crows….

He nominated Port this morning.

 

[CountryLad]

Anyone got thoughts on Boxshall after the season he’s had? Might be on our radar as an option pick 23 or if we got the Hawks pick 30?

I know none of the Eastern state’s experts are putting him in the top 30 but he’s right here under our noses. Had an excellent state champs and best on in the grand final in my opinion on the weekend.

187cm and an accumulator.

 

[ronpingwins]

Anyone got thoughts on Boxhall after the season he’s had? Might be on our radar as an option pick 23 or if we got the Hawks pick 30?

I know none of the Eastern state’s experts are putting him in the top 30 but he’s right here under our noses. Had an excellent state champs and best on in the grand final in my opinion on the weekend.

187cm and an accumulator.

Not sure but have heard we've spoken to him (a few vic clubs too). Makes sense for us.

 

[Keys]

I like the idea. but how?

We are likely to have pick 3, pick 13 and pick 23. Then a late pick for Champion. If we have to give up 23 for Baker, who you said we are bringing in. That leaves us with two picks of any sort of quality + Champion. Where are the other 2 or 3 drafted players coming from? Picks in the 70's? Good luck with that.

Picks 3,13 and 23 should be saved for the draft and not traded for players. Our F2 should be sufficient for Baker if that trade eventuates

We then have 59 to match a Champion bid plus potentially pick 64 for Darling which is useful in a reportedly deep draft

So that’s 5

We also have pick 3 in the rookie draft which we should be looking to use as a roll of the dice - something we haven’t done as often as we perhaps should’ve in recent years

I’ll also add the club has been making noises about generating additional early picks. Now that might be pushing Hawthorn for 30 in addition to 13 for Barrass. Or if we get their F1 as part of the trade we could use that to trade into this year’s draft

Or, deep breath, we split pick 3 which is something I’d prefer we didn’t do but might be an option to generate more picks

 

[eaglevision]

Anyone got thoughts on Boxhall after the season he’s had? Might be on our radar as an option pick 23 or if we got the Hawks pick 30?

I know none of the Eastern state’s experts are putting him in the top 30 but he’s right here under our noses. Had an excellent state champs and best on in the grand final in my opinion on the weekend.

187cm and an accumulator.

Davo has him mid 20s on his latest rankings. Personally I think 23 is too high and would rather take Oliver, Hynes, Gross or best KPD available. Later pick if we have one I’d consider but don’t think he gets to the rookie draft anymore. For all the doom and gloom predictions the WA cohort has done well this year and state team performed well above expectations.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Picks 3,13 and 23 should be saved for the draft and not traded for players. Our F2 should be sufficient for Baker if that trade eventuates

We then have 59 to match a Champion bid plus potentially pick 64 for Darling which is useful in a reportedly deep draft

So that’s 5

We also have pick 3 in the rookie draft which we should be looking to use as a roll of the dice - something we haven’t done as often as we perhaps should’ve in recent years

I’ll also add the club has been making noises about generating additional early picks. Now that might be pushing Hawthorn for 30 in addition to 13 for Barass. Or if we get their F1 as part of the trade we could use that to trade into this year’s draft

Or, deep breath, we split pick 3 which is something I’d prefer we didn’t do but might be an option to generate more picks

I hate the idea of giving up F1, F2, and F3 picks. That's what we did last year with Clay Hall. it hamstrings us and means we keep cannibalising the next draft to deal with the current draft. The only trade I'd consider is Hawks F1 for a decent first this year, but even that hurts the idea of Warner.

Pick 64 might be useful in a deep draft, but banking on that to actually return a reliable AFL player is wishful thinking.

 

[CountryLad]

Davo has him mid 20s on his latest rankings. Personally I think 23 is too high and would rather take Oliver, Hynes, Gross or best KPD available. Later pick if we have one I’d consider but don’t think he gets to the rookie draft anymore. For all the doom and gloom predictions the WA cohort has done well this year and state team performed well above expectations.

Haven’t seen Davo latest rankings but he certainly tends to look at interstate kids more than some “experts” do based in Victoria.
I think he’s worth having a good look at wouldn’t mind going back and looking a bit more at his disposal and decision making. Knows how to find it.

 

[WCEConnor23]

Hamish Davis was excellent in the colts grand final, looks like he has scope to be a damaging midfielder that can run all day.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Well, as we say on our board…

Good luck in the GF!
I backed Brisbane and Sydney last week, I put the winnings on Brisbane, I’ll be rooting for Brisbane on the weekend, even if they don’t win

 

[Monocle]

Interesting the speculation regarding Houston going to North.
Why the hell would he want to go there?

Apparently the Saints want him and they have a early pick themselves and will get a compensation pick for Battle.

Blues also want him but they also don’t want to part with this years 1st.

Both Blues and Aints would surely be a more attractive proposition to join than the Beggars.

Besides North have finally landed their big fish: Jack Darling

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Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star