List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[beagles]

Yeah the AFL step in with priority picks, extra list spots etc etc.

But if we ask then our current predicament is ‘all our own fault’


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We haven't asked yet, but we should

 

[flamingEMBERS]

He was considered a reach because there were players still available at 13 that were more widely rated. Not because he wasn’t going to get drafted at all.

Even the day before the draft Twomey had him lasting to 18: https://www.afc.com.au/news/82556/aflcomaus-phantom-draft

So 5 spots is a reach cause Twomey had him at 18? How many spots is considered a reach and what is the baseline phantom draft?

Sorry for being a campaigner but bored as shit at home

 

[Patterz123]

Parfit not getting a 2025 contract, we could do worse..

Link up with TK!

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Parfit not getting a 2025 contract, we could do worse..

Link up with TK!

I don’t even want TK, and his last best mate from the Cats was JJ who is now gone too. I think pass

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Parfit not getting a 2025 contract, we could do worse..

Link up with TK!

Would be ok with.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Parfitt ahead of Graham for me.

 

[Rowan18]

So a 27 year old contracted hbf could potentially be traded for anywhere between pick 1 to 4 in next years draft?

The cost for Barrass is now hawks two 1sts. Nothing going back.

And if Hawks won't do it then trade him to North for their F1

 

[Altum Volantes]

Parfitt ahead of Graham for me.

With JJ gone, we’ll need another ex-Cat to keep TK company.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Would be ok with.

At least if we want him we can get him for free now

 

[DanWCE]

With JJ gone, we’ll need another ex-Cat to keep TK company.

Not to get too much into the cliques of the group but TK and JD are pretty close, so by extension Gaffy would also be close with TK.

It's going to be an interesting preseason for TK as that little group seemed to stick to themselves quite a lot. JD and Gaff out, JJ gone..

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Anyone got thoughts on Boxshall after the season he’s had? Might be on our radar as an option pick 23 or if we got the Hawks pick 30?

I know none of the Eastern state’s experts are putting him in the top 30 but he’s right here under our noses. Had an excellent state champs and best on in the grand final in my opinion on the weekend.

187cm and an accumulator.

Really like him and he's perfect for us, but probably prefer some others more at 23.
I'd love both Boxshall and Artemis

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So when does trade period start?

And what is the likely deals for Barrass and Darling?
Hawks Give up: 13, F1 and F2
WCE: F2 + Salary?

Norf: Pick 40
WCE: Salary?; or

Norf: 64
WCE: Just want Darling off the books?

Also anyone looking to leave, petch, BBW .etc?

 

[DickDunn]

Parfitt for free is an absolute no brainer. At worst he makes the beagles more competitive

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

Cut both sheed and witherden. Both not best 22 in a side that we want to be on the up .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Sheed is exactly who we don't need setting standards on the field at wafl level. Pay him out

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We could always ask the afl for 2 extra rookie spots as part of a assistance package .

Move 2 contracted players sheed and jamo to the rookie list so we have 2 more spots open up

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Agree Sheed is past it but **** I'd love to cheer him off in a farewell game at home ... vs Collingwood.

A post-season delisting just seems wrong given what he did in 2018.

I'm a romantic at heart. Same reason I want all academy concessions scrapped but father-sons retained

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hamish Davis was excellent in the colts grand final, looks like he has scope to be a damaging midfielder that can run all day.

Clancy Dennis 194cm KPD has had a good year for Claremont also.

Won AA at CHB in the u18s carnival , quick on the lead , great 1 on 1 defender, great intercept mark and has a penetrating kick.

Haven't seen him in any phantoms worth a late pick .

Anyone seen much of him at colts level ?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So 5 spots is a reach cause Twomey had him at 18? How many spots is considered a reach and what is the baseline phantom draft?

Sorry for being a campaigner but bored as shit at home

He rocketed up to as high as 18 in the weeks before the draft. He was a fair way back before that. Twomey’s phantom was the day before the draft and based on his intel, he had the first 12 picks almost spot on (just Scharenberg and Aish swapped), but even then he had Carlton at 13 and multiple other clubs after that passing on Cripps.

So any suggestion that we should have taken him at 11 is complete 20/20 hindsight stuff. No one had him ranked that highly at the time.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yeah the AFL step in with priority picks, extra list spots etc etc.

But if we ask then our current predicament is ‘all our own fault’


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Not entirely our fault .

2 first round picks retire due to concussion

Also the draft being severely compromised without us having any access to NGAs .

First pick in the 2nd round at pick 30 FFS

 

[new breed]

Clancy Dennis 194cm KPD has had a good year for Claremont also.

Won AA at CHB in the u18s carnival , quick on the lead , great 1 on 1 defender, great intercept mark and has a penetrating kick.

Haven't seen him in any phantoms worth a late pick .

Anyone seen much of him at colts level ?

Very impressive late second round / early third round pick .

 

[shooshka]

Not entirely our fault .

2 first round picks retire due to concussion

Also the draft being severely compromised without us having any access to NGAs .

First pick in the 2nd round at pick 30 FFS

Yep 100%, hence it being in quotation marks.

It’s a convenient narrative that the whole reason for our demise is because we held onto aging players too long, were lazy and managed injuries poorly.

Some of those are true also, but factors completely outside of our control (concussion retirements, and I think our salary cap had the full payments included - plus pick’s getting pushed out, plus the separate drafts for vic vs non-vic clubs) are a significant reason also.


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[mat11]

Clancy Dennis 194cm KPD has had a good year for Claremont also.

Won AA at CHB in the u18s carnival , quick on the lead , great 1 on 1 defender, great intercept mark and has a penetrating kick.

Haven't seen him in any phantoms worth a late pick .

Anyone seen much of him at colts level ?

Eaglevision and I both have been big on him all year, I'm hoping 40 from North for darling brings him into the club

 

[shooshka]

We could always ask the afl for 2 extra rookie spots as part of a assistance package .

Move 2 contracted players sheed and jamo to the rookie list so we have 2 more spots open up

Why though?

If we are battling to pay the salary floor, then payouts a year early aren’t really going to hurt us.

Either they are part of our future (even if just for 1 guaranteed year) or they are not. Strong no to moving anyone to the rookie list to free up spots and/or just because they are contracted.

Not specifically saying we turf Sheed or CJ, just that strategically even if we get 2 extra rookie spots we should not use our rookie list (currently) as a spot to park contracted players for a year before we cut them.


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[Get_The_Gaff]

At least if we want him we can get him for free now

He was already an UFA .

 

[Goroyals22]

Parfitt for free is an absolute no brainer. At worst he makes the beagles more competitive

Geelong delisted a guy who is 27 also in Mitch Hardie who hasn’t played that Geelong fans were calling for to get games who averaged 29 disposals a game playing as an Inside mid , didn’t drop below 20 in any game and also averaged 6 clearances and 5 tackles per game and 14 goals for the year.. at worst he should be drafted to help the wafl side.. good size at 184cm, vfl team of the year , 4th (ahead of dev) in the Liston trophy…


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