List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."






 
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Heard Ryan Daniels explain it this morning on radio as front loaded the first 2 years at around or just above $1m. It then tapers off a fair bit but with incentives that, if met, will mean the contract will earn him in the region of $4.5-5.0m over 5 years

To me, that’s a well structured deal. Gets most of the money paid early when we have the cap space but keeps him interested later in the deal with performance based incentives

He’s 26, in his prime and proved himself to be one of our most important players

Only an idiot would take issue with the contract

It’s also a bit of back pay for his 2024, spread out over 25/26.

He had a $800k+ season. Maybe more as an AA. Earned $400k.

So I view the next 2 years as 2x $800k (plus $200k each towards the 2024 underpayment). That would be market rate for an AA key forward


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As I said in my other reply, we could take a mid with our 2025 1st pick. Harley + 2025 1st pick + Hewett(who is a ? still) isnt the worst first 3 mids.
Imo we have to take some risks to rebuild in a system thats rigged against us, so we have to take some risks. Cant just play it safe and rebuild the normal way when the northern state teams are getting all the freebies. If we found a couple of B - B+ mids this year we would get a HUGE jump in our rebuild.

We still need to fill roles other than the midfield with elite talent.
Sydney have Blakey running off half back and an academy to fill their midfield. Brisbane have traded a lot to get their midfield up and running, and theyve been a good team for years now, that no doubt helps attract talent, and got very fortunate with f/s. Port have a midfield but their fwd and defence are honestly just shit. Geelong I agree are a weird one as they dont have a strong midfield, but they have elite fwd/def and great wings.

We still have so many unknowns on our list, we could even have a couple more A-graders just waiting to break out

I do agree in general about the need for a HBF linebreaker and definitely see where you're coming from, I wouldn't be overly against going that way.

I suppose how I see it is less about needs for another elite mid vs elite HBF and more about maximising value. Increasingly more and more of the top line mids are coming from top line spots in the draft (don't want to restart that old debate of 'you need top 10 picks for elite mids' as surprises can be found but I don't back WC relying on pulling those out from less certain prospects with our track record and the Beagles development or lack of).

HBFs however often come out of nowhere and from surprise previous roles (Sheppard, Wellingham, Jetta all initially mid-fwds etc). Houston was a rookie pick as a third tall fwd, Zorko transitioned back there this year to fill a hole, Tom Stewart was plucked as a mature ager, Nick Blakey who was picked early was more consistently a forward in his draft year. Others of course are drafted for that spot and excel at that spot like Hurn.

More just saying with those unknowns on our list as you say we may actually have some A-graders ready to break out, in my opinion it's more likely though that we're surprised by someone excelling at half-back randomly rather than mid randomly. Chesser/Ginbey might settle into it as their #1 position, Maric could be elite back there, who knows. I personally don't see anyone else besides Reid/Hewett stepping up to be a truly elite mid with who we've got on the list.

With that in mind and with the 2025 R1 possibly spent on Warner I'd be leaning toward as sure a thing as possible with a Draper/Smith type at 3. If everything goes perfect and we have Reid, Hewett, 2024 R1 and Warner all hitting their potential so be it I reckon, let them all rotate fwd and give everyone headaches. Or, if Hewett comes back at full fitness this year and dispels any worries and Draper or whoever is looking like a gun we could manufacture what you're saying in 2025 with that R1 pick.

Would still be keen on drafting a specialist, high potential HBF for sure, just reckon it can be done later or come surprisingly from attempts to fill other positions. That being said wouldn't be against trading 3 if we were offered absolute overs (again just keen to maximise value) but with the evenness of the first round I doubt other clubs will offer overs, in which case would be in the JTP3 camp.
 

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Love it. Absolutely love it. “If you ignore the bits of your post where you’re right, you’re wrong. You egomaniac, I bet you’ll need to have to last word. So if you try to defend yourself you’re clearly an egomaniac.
Better stay silent and let me get the last word. But that doesn’t make me an egomaniac, no. That’s only reserved for you. Because you clog up threads by <checks notes> responding to people who chime in and attack you when they weren’t even involved in the discussion to begin with, and then dig in. You’re the one clogging it up. Not them. Not me.”

Well let’s see if your ego forces YOU to reply and have the last word. Because it will be. Because I’m done here. Completely.
Hahaha nobody in here believes that you're done completely 😅
 
Why does Matt Whitlock never get mentioned as KPD option? Should be around 23.

199cm mobile, good in the air, one on one defending and provides rebound.
Because splitting up the Whitlock twins would have the Victorian media comparing us unfavourably to Josef Mengele.
 
Because splitting up the Whitlock twins would have the Victorian media comparing us unfavourably to Josef Mengele.

I thought the Victorian media are themselves compared unfavourably to Joseph Mengele.
 
Pick 4? I would have driven him to their airport, packed him some sandwiches and even given him a bottle of water..

Considering last year we wouldn’t have gotten pick 104 for him it’s a win/win…

I’ll back he never repeats what he did this year the rest of his career … if he does, that’s good to


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Alternatively it could have been Geelong his preferred destination and you would be dealing in 2 x R1 being 16 this year and a F1 likely to be teens again.

I think you miss the point on the impact it would have on the playing group. New list manager is ruthless. Great message to be telling the likes of Harley and Ginbey etc. Retention for an interstate club is far more important.
 
Heard Ryan Daniels explain it this morning on radio as front loaded the first 2 years at around or just above $1m. It then tapers off a fair bit but with incentives that, if met, will mean the contract will earn him in the region of $4.5-5.0m over 5 years

To me, that’s a well structured deal. Gets most of the money paid early when we have the cap space but keeps him interested later in the deal with performance based incentives

He’s 26, in his prime and proved himself to be one of our most important players

Only an idiot would take issue with the contract
Moving Darling on offsets the cost of locking in Waterman anyway, also prolongs Darlings career and elevates Watermans structural function in our forwardline. All wins.
 
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Nothing we didn’t already know but Cal seems to be going hard with the salary contribution and 2x1Rs
If we are paying a considerable amount of barrass salary we shouldn't be sending a 2nd round pick back !

13 + F1 for Barrass + f2 = no salary
13 + f1 for barrass = pick purchase and we contribute salary
 
Dev for the Darling pick (64), It’s worth points so useful for the Lions. Shake and move on.

Yep, wouldn't mind taking him for a pick in the 50's, 60's. At least you know what kinda player you're getting. And Brissy need all the points they can get.
 
Alternatively it could have been Geelong his preferred destination and you would be dealing in 2 x R1 being 16 this year and a F1 likely to be teens again.

I think you miss the point on the impact it would have on the playing group. New list manager is ruthless. Great message to be telling the likes of Harley and Ginbey etc. Retention for an interstate club is far more important.
Geelong pfffft they would cop what they served up for tk

R1
R2
R2 swap
F1
F2

I've chucked in another f2 because snake is contracted unlike tk at the time and we throw an f3 back their way
 
If we are paying a considerable amount of barrass salary we shouldn't be sending a 2nd round pick back !

13 + F1 for Barrass + f2 = no salary
13 + f1 for barrass = pick purchase and we contribute salary
There’s just so many moving parts here with players, salary contribution etc but what would you consider a reasonable salary contribution for 13 + F1?
 
Geelong pfffft they would cop what they served up for tk

R1
R2
R2 swap
F1
F2

I've chucked in another f2 because snake is contracted unlike tk at the time and we throw an f3 back their way
Then we wait until we’re about to shake hands and tell them to **** off he’s going to the Demons unless Geelong add another 1R and Jeremy Cameron’s farm given we paid for it.
 
I would love the hawks F1, if only to give some meaning to the back end of next year. When our season is yet again in the toilet by the bye and everyone is questioning whether we picked the right coach, at least I can sadistically death ride the hawks season into the ground.
 

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