List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Newcombe MSD
De Ambrossio MSD then traded for a 3rd rounder
Nick Martin Rookie
Chad Warner pick 39 was it,?

So 10% came 3rd round or later or MSD.

I had a couple of small errors in it - now updates.

Warner at 39 was a R2 pick. 18% (7 players) came in as R3 or Rookie

 

[shooshka]

Heard Ryan Daniels explain it this morning on radio as front loaded the first 2 years at around or just above $1m. It then tapers off a fair bit but with incentives that, if met, will mean the contract will earn him in the region of $4.5-5.0m over 5 years

To me, that’s a well structured deal. Gets most of the money paid early when we have the cap space but keeps him interested later in the deal with performance based incentives

He’s 26, in his prime and proved himself to be one of our most important players

Only an idiot would take issue with the contract

It’s also a bit of back pay for his 2024, spread out over 25/26.

He had a $800k+ season. Maybe more as an AA. Earned $400k.

So I view the next 2 years as 2x $800k (plus $200k each towards the 2024 underpayment). That would be market rate for an AA key forward


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[Kegs15]

As I said in my other reply, we could take a mid with our 2025 1st pick. Harley + 2025 1st pick + Hewett(who is a ? still) isnt the worst first 3 mids.
Imo we have to take some risks to rebuild in a system thats rigged against us, so we have to take some risks. Cant just play it safe and rebuild the normal way when the northern state teams are getting all the freebies. If we found a couple of B - B+ mids this year we would get a HUGE jump in our rebuild.

We still need to fill roles other than the midfield with elite talent.
Sydney have Blakey running off half back and an academy to fill their midfield. Brisbane have traded a lot to get their midfield up and running, and theyve been a good team for years now, that no doubt helps attract talent, and got very fortunate with f/s. Port have a midfield but their fwd and defence are honestly just shit. Geelong I agree are a weird one as they dont have a strong midfield, but they have elite fwd/def and great wings.

We still have so many unknowns on our list, we could even have a couple more A-graders just waiting to break out

I do agree in general about the need for a HBF linebreaker and definitely see where you're coming from, I wouldn't be overly against going that way.

I suppose how I see it is less about needs for another elite mid vs elite HBF and more about maximising value. Increasingly more and more of the top line mids are coming from top line spots in the draft (don't want to restart that old debate of 'you need top 10 picks for elite mids' as surprises can be found but I don't back WC relying on pulling those out from less certain prospects with our track record and the Beagles development or lack of).

HBFs however often come out of nowhere and from surprise previous roles (Sheppard, Wellingham, Jetta all initially mid-fwds etc). Houston was a rookie pick as a third tall fwd, Zorko transitioned back there this year to fill a hole, Tom Stewart was plucked as a mature ager, Nick Blakey who was picked early was more consistently a forward in his draft year. Others of course are drafted for that spot and excel at that spot like Hurn.

More just saying with those unknowns on our list as you say we may actually have some A-graders ready to break out, in my opinion it's more likely though that we're surprised by someone excelling at half-back randomly rather than mid randomly. Chesser/Ginbey might settle into it as their #1 position, Maric could be elite back there, who knows. I personally don't see anyone else besides Reid/Hewett stepping up to be a truly elite mid with who we've got on the list.

With that in mind and with the 2025 R1 possibly spent on Warner I'd be leaning toward as sure a thing as possible with a Draper/Smith type at 3. If everything goes perfect and we have Reid, Hewett, 2024 R1 and Warner all hitting their potential so be it I reckon, let them all rotate fwd and give everyone headaches. Or, if Hewett comes back at full fitness this year and dispels any worries and Draper or whoever is looking like a gun we could manufacture what you're saying in 2025 with that R1 pick.

Would still be keen on drafting a specialist, high potential HBF for sure, just reckon it can be done later or come surprisingly from attempts to fill other positions. That being said wouldn't be against trading 3 if we were offered absolute overs (again just keen to maximise value) but with the evenness of the first round I doubt other clubs will offer overs, in which case would be in the JTP3 camp.

 

[Smotie2]

Love it. Absolutely love it. “If you ignore the bits of your post where you’re right, you’re wrong. You egomaniac, I bet you’ll need to have to last word. So if you try to defend yourself you’re clearly an egomaniac.
Better stay silent and let me get the last word. But that doesn’t make me an egomaniac, no. That’s only reserved for you. Because you clog up threads by <checks notes> responding to people who chime in and attack you when they weren’t even involved in the discussion to begin with, and then dig in. You’re the one clogging it up. Not them. Not me.”

Well let’s see if your ego forces YOU to reply and have the last word. Because it will be. Because I’m done here. Completely.

Hahaha nobody in here believes that you're done completely

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Why does Matt Whitlock never get mentioned as KPD option? Should be around 23.

199cm mobile, good in the air, one on one defending and provides rebound.

Because splitting up the Whitlock twins would have the Victorian media comparing us unfavourably to Josef Mengele.

 

[Monocle]

Because splitting up the Whitlock twins would have the Victorian media comparing us unfavourably to Josef Mengele.

I thought the Victorian media are themselves compared unfavourably to Joseph Mengele.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I love school holidays

 

[eaglevision]

Both from that f**kwit Ralph in the HUN

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Pick 4? I would have driven him to their airport, packed him some sandwiches and even given him a bottle of water..

Considering last year we wouldn’t have gotten pick 104 for him it’s a win/win…

I’ll back he never repeats what he did this year the rest of his career … if he does, that’s good to


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Alternatively it could have been Geelong his preferred destination and you would be dealing in 2 x R1 being 16 this year and a F1 likely to be teens again.

I think you miss the point on the impact it would have on the playing group. New list manager is ruthless. Great message to be telling the likes of Harley and Ginbey etc. Retention for an interstate club is far more important.

 

[mitchzz]

Suns asking for MORE than pick 6 for Rioli is crazy

Guy is not worth pick 6

 

[Balls In]

Heard Ryan Daniels explain it this morning on radio as front loaded the first 2 years at around or just above $1m. It then tapers off a fair bit but with incentives that, if met, will mean the contract will earn him in the region of $4.5-5.0m over 5 years

To me, that’s a well structured deal. Gets most of the money paid early when we have the cap space but keeps him interested later in the deal with performance based incentives

He’s 26, in his prime and proved himself to be one of our most important players

Only an idiot would take issue with the contract

Moving Darling on offsets the cost of locking in Waterman anyway, also prolongs Darlings career and elevates Watermans structural function in our forwardline. All wins.

 

[Elite Pete]

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Both from that f**kwit Ralph in the HUN

Dev for the Darling pick (64), It’s worth points so useful for the Lions. Shake and move on.

 

[mat11]

Dev for the Darling pick (64), It’s worth points so useful for the Lions. Shake and move on.

Even 59 we'd really have to consider, he'd be a handy inside defensive mid we've been lacking

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Cash for picks? How Eagles, Hawks get the Barrass deal done

Cal Twomey takes a look at the deal for Tom Barrass to Hawthorn

www.afl.com.au

Nothing we didn’t already know but Cal seems to be going hard with the salary contribution and 2x1Rs

If we are paying a considerable amount of barrass salary we shouldn't be sending a 2nd round pick back !

13 + F1 for Barrass + f2 = no salary
13 + f1 for barrass = pick purchase and we contribute salary

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Dev for the Darling pick (64), It’s worth points so useful for the Lions. Shake and move on.

Yep, wouldn't mind taking him for a pick in the 50's, 60's. At least you know what kinda player you're getting. And Brissy need all the points they can get.

 

[mat11]

Alternatively it could have been Geelong his preferred destination and you would be dealing in 2 x R1 being 16 this year and a F1 likely to be teens again.

I think you miss the point on the impact it would have on the playing group. New list manager is ruthless. Great message to be telling the likes of Harley and Ginbey etc. Retention for an interstate club is far more important.

Geelong pfffft they would cop what they served up for tk

R1
R2
R2 swap
F1
F2

I've chucked in another f2 because snake is contracted unlike tk at the time and we throw an f3 back their way

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Cash for picks? How Eagles, Hawks get the Barrass deal done

Cal Twomey takes a look at the deal for Tom Barrass to Hawthorn

www.afl.com.au

Nothing we didn’t already know but Cal seems to be going hard with the salary contribution and 2x1Rs

Excuse me..but why the f*ck are we giving Hawthorn ANYTHING in return other than Barrass?

 

[Bender_]

Only an idiot would take issue with the contract.

The Corn and King are correct

 

[eaglevision]

If we are paying a considerable amount of barrass salary we shouldn't be sending a 2nd round pick back !

13 + F1 for Barrass + f2 = no salary
13 + f1 for barrass = pick purchase and we contribute salary

There’s just so many moving parts here with players, salary contribution etc but what would you consider a reasonable salary contribution for 13 + F1?

 

[eaglevision]

Geelong pfffft they would cop what they served up for tk

R1
R2
R2 swap
F1
F2

I've chucked in another f2 because snake is contracted unlike tk at the time and we throw an f3 back their way

Then we wait until we’re about to shake hands and tell them to **** off he’s going to the Demons unless Geelong add another 1R and Jeremy Cameron’s farm given we paid for it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

There’s just so many moving parts here with players, salary contribution etc but what would you consider a reasonable salary contribution for 13 + F1?

$350K

 

[Wooshaaaa]

There’s just so many moving parts here with players, salary contribution etc but what would you consider a reasonable salary contribution for 13 + F1?

To avoid having to cough up any 2nd rounder....1/4 of his salary.

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[AnyDanger]

I would love the hawks F1, if only to give some meaning to the back end of next year. When our season is yet again in the toilet by the bye and everyone is questioning whether we picked the right coach, at least I can sadistically death ride the hawks season into the ground.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

What would crows have to give to ask us to slide back from 3 to 4 on draft night?

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[mat11]

What would crows have to give to ask us to slide back from 3 to 4 on draft night?

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In 2021 we slid from 12 to 14 and Port gave us a f2 so it'd be a bit better than that. Adelaide have pick 25 but they are saving it for neale-bullen apparently