List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[stallon]

Is TT being overrated on here? He was ranked at 11 on Cal’s latest form guide and was at 13 before that. The only place I’ve seen him mentioned in the top 10 is by the ESPN bloke (pick 8) who doesn’t seem to have a clue as he also had Murphy Reid at pick 16.

Hes the highest rated kid that isnt a midfielder or a KPP.
Clubs value run and carry from half back a lot higher than they used to. Inside mids arent as important as they used to be.

Id be very happy with TT at pick 6 if we ended up with it

 

[eaglevision]

TT is such a Ross Lyon pick. Loves blokes that can run.

100%. If they get band 1 for Battle they’ll take best mid available and Travaglia IMO.

 

[Elite Pete]

Dont mind it at all. Overvalues Baker from what we generally consider his worth on this board but its realistic imo, and keeps us in the top 20.

I dunno who we'd take at 18, seems like its mostly talls at that range. Maybe Lindsay lasts to 18

Yeah updated if we do a mega mega trade that would include the Rioli and TB trades.

 

[6285sutto]

Probably been discussed but could WCE in theory walk Baker to the pre-season draft this year?

Considering the Brockman scenario I cant see this happening, but as we have pick 3 we would be first in line since I can't see North/Richmond picking him up when he clearly has requested a move back to WA?
Obviously no garuntees that North/Richmond would pass though.

 

[stallon]

If the F2 is going in the TB trade we can’t afford to trade the F3 as well as points will come in hard to get.

Mega trade is probably what is going to help the most.
If we do the
13+Hawks F1
For
TB and F2

And the Rioli for 6 is going ahead. I reckon we have the discussion with GC and Richmond that we roll Hawks F1 into GC pick 12 a Baker and Rioli mega trade.

Baker Trade (with out throwing in the full TB and Rioli parts)
Eagles
Out- 23 + Hawks F1
In- Baker + 18 + Dev

Brisbane
Out- 18 + Dev + F2
In- 23 + 29

Tigers
Out - Baker + 29
In- 12 + F2

GC
Out- 12
In- Hawks F1
Crunch the numbers for the full mega trade for us.
Out- TB - 23 - F2
In- 13 - 18 - Baker - Dev

Draft with 3, 13, 18

I think thats pretty even tbh. Better for us using the Hawks F1 instead of 13.

Id really want to try to split 18 again after this too, or split 3 into 6 or 7 + 2nd round pick with Richmond or Saints.
Take whichever is best available with 6/7 and 13 then fill list holes with 3x 2nd round picks and Champion

 

[stallon]

Probably been discussed but could WCE in theory walk Baker to the pre-season draft this year?

Considering the Brockman scenario I cant see this happening, but as we have pick 3 we would be first in line since I can't see North/Richmond picking him up when he clearly has requested a move back to WA?
Obviously no garuntees that North/Richmond would pass though.

We could try, but highly unlikely it gets to that.

 

[WCEswift]

Dont mind it at all. Overvalues Baker from what we generally consider his worth on this board but its realistic imo, and keeps us in the top 20.

I dunno who we'd take at 18, seems like its mostly talls at that range. Maybe Lindsay lasts to 18

Moraes should be 18ish

 

[stallon]

Moraes should be 18ish

I actually forgot about him tbh, I just had a quick look at Cals form guide and he was way down at 28. Maybe hes an option, but would we get him with a slightly later pick if we were to split 18 for a 20s pick + something?

 

[pantskyle]

More so with Baker nominating us we need to get some pick assistance from the AFL.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Moraes should be 18ish

25+

 

[Wooshaaaa]

No. STK, CARL, RICH all keen on him.

Stk hot on him.

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[eaglevision]

Unlikely to be relevant to us but Sydney and GCS might be aggrieved with one and potentially two picks in between.

 

[eaglevision]

Stk hot on him.

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Very hot. All but certain if they get the two picks.

 

[Choogler]

I disagree. There are always options but moving back from pick 3, sounds like the least one we want to do.

Agree completely. I'd rather use our Future 1st to increase our hand this year rather than our Pick 3 but there are complicating factors to that too.

Firstly, we must bear in mind our 2025 F/S prospect Charlie Banfield.

The changes in the pick points values (DVI) and reduced discounts for 2025 means we need to be careful not to leave ourselves short.

Secondly, if Chad Warner becomes available and we want to make a play for him we should probably keep our Future 1st.

Thirdly, a lot will hinge on the Barrass deal. If we do get 13 and their Future first, then that'll provide some coverage if we need to match a first-round bid for Banfield.

Lastly, is Harley staying or going? If he leaves, trading away our future 1st isn't a problem as we will get multiple first-rounders for him, unfortunately we won't know before this draft.

If the Barrass deal does include the Hawks F1, and we do decide to trade our F1, I'd talk to GC. They have 2 main targets this draft. Rioli and Lombard that need to get done, so need to retain some picks/points for those 2. Just as importantly, they have up to 3 first round bids on academy kids they will potentially have to match, so they need to bank some big points for 2025. That makes our F1 particularly valuable due to the DVI changes and reduced discounts.

So, offer our F1 and 23 (min 2913 to max 3815 pts assuming a 16-18th place in 2025) for GC 6, 12 and 38 (3448 pts) or 6, 20 and 26 (3356 pts).

Option 2 would still leave them with P12 (overs IMO) to use on Rioli and more than enough points for Lombard plus P23 to use on Noble. They will also get some picks from PA for Lukosius.

Either of 3, 6, 12, 13, 38, 59 or 3, 6, 13, 20, 26, 59 are picks I'd be ecstatic to take to the draft.

 

[WCEswift]

25+

Outside running goal kicker, we need it

 

[WA footy mad]

Baker has now picked WCE lets hope we fight a hard fight, pick 59 is around the mark for baker. Played average footy in the worst team this year.

 

[stallon]

Very comfortable with our midfield next year now that Baker and Graham are coming and Dev looking like a good chance at coming for next to nothing. If not Dev then a good chance someone similar joins the list, or we use Hutch, im going to assume we get Dev anyway.

Reid, Hewett, Yeo and Kelly as the attacking mids while Graham and Dev able to play the more defensive roles in there, then Baker as a chop out if required. Hall as depth, probably starts the year in the WAFL though.

If Reid and Hewett are both healthy and firing, we could probably start to move Yeo and Kelly out of the middle properly this year, let Reid, Hewett, Dev, Graham and Baker/Hutch take most of the responsibility. Dont have to move the older guys out full time, but maybe take them back to 30% CBAs each or something instead of 70/80%.
Throw Yeo to half back to bring leadership and experience back there in Barrass' absence and Kelly to half forward where hes probably more suited. Obviously both can do stints in the middle if required during games.

Clearly we should have the contested portion of the midfield somewhat covered for the short term, our first pick should be at the very least on an outside leaning player.
Not necessarily suggesting Travaglia, but maybe Smillie/Lalor lower priorities?

 

[Elite Pete]

Very comfortable with our midfield next year now that Baker and Graham are coming and Dev looking like a good chance at coming for next to nothing. If not Dev then a good chance someone similar joins the list, or we use Hutch, im going to assume we get Dev anyway.

Reid, Hewett, Yeo and Kelly as the attacking mids while Graham and Dev able to play the more defensive roles in there, then Baker as a chop out if required. Hall as depth, probably starts the year in the WAFL though.

If Reid and Hewett are both healthy and firing, we could probably start to move Yeo and Kelly out of the middle properly this year, let Reid, Hewett, Dev, Graham and Baker/Hutch take most of the responsibility. Dont have to move the older guys out full time, but maybe take them back to 30% CBAs each or something instead of 70/80%.
Throw Yeo to half back to bring leadership and experience back there in Barrass' absence and Kelly to half forward where hes probably more suited. Obviously both can do stints in the middle if required during games.

Clearly we should have the contested portion of the midfield somewhat covered for the short term, our first pick should be at the very least on an outside leaning player.
Not necessarily suggesting Travaglia, but maybe Smillie/Lalor lower priorities?

Still need that genuine mid with a bit of pace and can link.

I agree with Cal today Draper, Jagga or Langford are great fits at 3

 

[southcoast]

This.

We are all too familiar with the following:

• opening line in the media for trades being to the advantage of the opposing club
• hearing nothing from the Eagles to refute that
• letting that story become the consensus opinion of "fair terms"
• then seeing West Coast deal to that consensus, and pretend it yielded good value.

The confidence gained from holding on to pick 1 last year was completely eroded by what the club offered on draft night for D.Curtin.


I just hope the new team in charge has a far better handle on managing trades than those previously involved.

This - need to take a leaf out of Port’s notes.

Apparently Blues haven’t included their pick 11 in preliminary discussions for Houston. Port have basically said come back to us when 11 is up for discussion.

Houston’s manager now negotiating with Blues to soften their approach for benefit of his client.


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[stallon]

Still need that genuine mid with a bit of pace and can link.

I agree with Cal today Draper, Jagga or Langford are great fits at 3

If we really wanted one of these 3 as a priority over Lalor/Smillie that may rule out splitting pick 3 for 6/7 + something which may have been an option before

 

[eaglevision]

Very comfortable with our midfield next year now that Baker and Graham are coming and Dev looking like a good chance at coming for next to nothing. If not Dev then a good chance someone similar joins the list, or we use Hutch, im going to assume we get Dev anyway.

Clearly we should have the contested portion of the midfield somewhat covered for the short term, our first pick should be at the very least on an outside leaning player.
Not necessarily suggesting Travaglia, but maybe Smillie/Lalor lower priorities?

FOS would slot in beautifully on a wing to start his career and Lindsay at Hawks 1R would be perfect on the other side but unfortunately it looks like we’re stupid enough to trade it. Based on some info but mostly speculation the top 16 to the Hawks 1R to me looks like this:

1. RICH Smith
2. BRIS Ashcroft (F/S BL)
3. NM Langford
4. WCE O’Sullivan
5. ADEL Draper
6. MELB Lalor
7. RICH Reid (via GCS for Rioli)
8. GCS Leo Lombard (NGA GCS)
9. STK Smillie
10. STK Travaglia (Band 1 Battle)
11. ESS Shanahan
12. RICH Trainor (via Freo Bolton trade)
13. FREO Berry (via Pies Schultz trade)
14. PORT Armstrong (Houston trade)
15. COLL Tauru (via GCS trade)
16. RICH Lindsay (Baker trade)

Given Baker and Graham are on their way FOS and Lindsay are the best fit IMO, both with outside class and elite kicking. Possibly the two best kicks in the draft in fact. We should be giving the Tigers 23 and 22 (Band 3 Graham) compo and holding 13.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What would the Suns give for our F1? It is likely to be a top 4 pick and the points for the top 6 have not changed that much.



More importantly, the drop off in 2025 drops off significantly.

I am assuming we get the Hawks 13 and F1 as part of the Tom deal. Not worrying about the noise with the complete deal with Tom.

So what would our F1 get? Could we go for 12 and 20? Mindful that 20 will be 22 post Battle and Perryman FA compo.

Watching the Futures game, Suns are going to need a load of R1 picks or one very early one to take into 2025.


New draft hand is 3 12 13 22* 25* 61*
Note: * indicates pick pushed back by 2.

2 options with Baker
1. Pick 3 for Baker and 6
2. Pick 13 for Baker and 23*

Under 1, Baker plus 6, 12, 13, 22, 25, 61 - we get the left over mid in Smillie or Lalor, (not M Reid) instead of the 3rd best mid being one of FOS/Draper/Smith/Langford, 2 of the trio TT/Berry/Lindsay at 12 and 13, another mid like Hynes/Moraes/Gross or Oliver at 22 and a KPD at 25

Under 2, Baker plus 3, 12, 22, 23, 25, 61 - we get one of the best 3 mids, one of the trio in TT/Berry/Lindsay and two of Oliver or Hynes or Gross and a KPD

We then have 5 players inside the top 25.

We take into 2025 Hawks F1 and have capacity to match with points on Banfield, Walley and Evans later in the draft. Going into deficit in latter rounds is not that bad.

Suns walk away with Rioli for 6, enough points for matching Lombard, a decent R2 for Noble and a likely to be top end F1 along with their own F1 They can always use our F1 as a selling asset in 12 months if they want multiple R1 picks for matching.

 

[stallon]

FOS would slot in beautifully on a wing to start his career and Lindsay at Hawks 1R would be perfect on the other side but unfortunately it looks like we’re stupid enough to trade it. Based on some info but mostly speculation the top 16 to the Hawks 1R to me looks like this:

1. RICH Smith
2. BRIS Ashcroft (F/S BL)
3. NM Langford
4. WCE O’Sullivan
5. ADEL Draper
6. MELB Lalor
7. RICH Reid (via GCS for Rioli)
8. GCS Leo Lombard (NGA GCS)
9. STK Smillie
10. STK Travaglia (Band 1 Battle)
11. ESS Shanahan
12. RICH Trainor (via Freo Bolton trade)
13. FREO Berry (via Pies Schultz trade)
14. PORT Armstrong (Houston trade)
15. COLL Tauru (via GCS trade)
16. RICH Lindsay (Baker trade)

Given Baker and Graham are on their way FOS and Lindsay are the best fit IMO, both with outside class and elite kicking. Possibly the two best kicks in the draft in fact. We should be giving the Tigers 23 and 22 (Band 3 Graham) compo and holding 13.

If as rumoured the Tigers are keen on getting 2 top 3 picks, and they offered us pick 6+something to get it done, assuming FOS, Draper and Smith arent there at 6 do we just take TT?
I would but thats just me.

 

[eaglevision]

If as rumoured the Tigers are keen on getting 2 top 3 picks, and they offered us pick 6+something to get it done, assuming FOS, Draper and Smith arent there at 6 do we just take TT?
I would but thats just me.

If we end up with pick 6 I am 100% taking Travaglia over Smillie and Reid. Lalor would be a difficult decision. His hamstring injury is VERY significant.

 

[Keys]

Spent today in the car listening to trade radio/SEN and melting hard at the concept of trading pick 13 for Baker with no mention of anything coming back as if he was genuinely worth 13. Saying that pick slides back to 16 because of Ashcroft, Lombard and Kako is a nonsense

Came to the eventual realisation that the same people spouting pick 13 are the same ones who up until last night/this morning were totally clueless as to who our next coach was going to be

So as frustrating as it will be listening to muppets who have no idea what we’re planning, I’m saving the melts until if/when they’re actually required once the trades are done

In short, don’t get sucked in to noise from those who don’t know but like to pretend they do