List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[stallon]

After showing they don’t need him to win a flag, would the Lions do 23, Darling and salary contribution for Dev and Coleman?

Another pick to split for points briztoon

Id imagine Coleman is a required player. Zorko isnt getting any younger and they know they have nobody else on the list who can play that half back distributor role

 

[FKASC]

Very un Cleary like.

Starting to get a whiff of what might happening?

Big win for Richmond. We would want something else back?

It’s why I think we’ve offered Graham 4 years

 

[FKASC]

This thread comes thick and fast, read one page and by the time you get to the next another two are up

95% is hardcore meltage too

 

[eaglevision]

Id imagine Coleman is a required player. Zorko isnt getting any younger and they know they have nobody else on the list who can play that half back distributor role

So is a KPF now

 

[Barrybran]

Very un Cleary like.

Starting to get a whiff of what might happening?

Big win for Richmond. We would want something else back?

Sure but why would we tie up $900k / year for 5 years for Jack Graham? If we were going to do that I would want a lot more than a free Liam Baker.

 

[MaxHunt]

It’s why I think we’ve offered Graham 4 years

Do that and then rip up Barrass's contract making him a free agent again.

Pick 4 (end up 5 after tigs get 2). Baker and Graham for free.

 

[bzparkes]

Sure but why would we tie up $900k / year for 5 years for Jack Graham? If we were going to do that I would want a lot more than a free Liam Baker.

We trade them Culley for pick 9/10

 

[Barrybran]

We trade them Culley for pick 9/10

Pick 6 and we have a deal

 

[darksquare]

Free agency compensation doesn't even come close to reflecting the draft capital that clubs would be prepared to offer for the players. It can't do this even in theory, because the mechanism of attaching the draft pick to finishing position means that there is a 17-place range. A player cannot simultaneously be worth pick 1 and pick 18.

My guess is that Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

would attract a draft pick around the end of R1. St Kilda gets pick 8.
Harry Perryman

12

Harry Perryman

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

similar, but GWS gets pick 16.

What really irritates me (and everyone else, I guess) is that it dilutes the draft pool for the 16 clubs not party to the transfer, in a way that trades do not. A whole extra pick is manufactured out of thin air by the AFL.

A fairer solution is to require the club that is bringing in the free agent to pay some compensation. Since no club wants to pay pick 8 for Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

or pick 4 for Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

, that compensation would have to be set at below the pick that would be required in a trade. The AFL's secret formula would have to downgrade the player's value, not upgrade it. If the new club can't afford to pay even the reduced compensation, they go into deficit.

• The club losing the free agent gets a lower pick, which is good, because they already had years of service.
• The club gaining the free agent doesn't get a freebie, but does get a discount, which should still be an incentive to acquire players through free agency.
• The other clubs know that their higher picks aren't affected at all, and lower picks retain a value closer to where they started.

Of course, this will never happen.

 

[mitchzz]

Very un Cleary like.

Starting to get a whiff of what might happening?

Big win for Richmond. We would want something else back?

Jack Graham likes this

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Sure but why would we tie up $900k / year for 5 years for Jack Graham? If we were going to do that I would want a lot more than a free Liam Baker.

Front load it. 1.5 1.5 700 500 300 we have so much cap space before needing to pay for Harley 2027 onwards and warner 2026

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[Chris_6678]

Mmmm he would want to play well on 900k lol It could annoy a few players.

 

[DanWCE]

Can we rent a house to Jack Graham

17

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

for 400k a year to get a bit of that money back?

 

[darksquare]

Jack Graham likes this

Not sure his new teammates would.

Another flaw of the system. You end up with James Peatling vaulting over the salary of better, long-serving players, just so Adelaide can get him without coughing up a draft pick.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

A free agent leaving is essentially a salary cap rebate the following year. Why the f do we need to involve a draft pick. If you lose an absolute superstar player, you essentially rebate 1 million a year to attract someone else- that should be your compensation.



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What is the point of a salary rebate if the other club can't attract a player ?

Eg norf last year . All the salary in the world doesn't help them but a pick does .

I have said it for years the band 1 compo should be mid first round after all the non finalists have picked .

If both Mackay and battle had been pick 11 instead of 3 and 8 it wouldn't be as bad

You would also not get the franklin situation where the biggest contact is history is given and hawks got pick 19 .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Not sure his new teammates would.

Another flaw of the system. You end up with James Peatling vaulting over the salary of better, long-serving players, just so Adelaide can get him without coughing up a draft pick.

Is peatling a free agent?

 

[JackOutback]

Sure but why would we tie up $900k / year for 5 years for Jack Graham? If we were going to do that I would want a lot more than a free Liam Baker.

And it moves us a spot back in the draft, giving a rival club a more highly fancied pick.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Very un Cleary like.

Starting to get a whiff of what might happening?

Big win for Richmond. We would want something else back?

If we're going down the route of gifting Richmond pick 2 (which pushes all our picks back a spot, so it's not a victimless concession), I'd want something coming back with Baker. And I don't mean steak knives, but something substantial.

 

[Mop]

Haha, welcome to Bigfooty

Dude, you’ve been here 5 minutes.

Anyway.

I wonder how AFL house feels about the widespread commentary about the joke of the system.

They aren’t known for self awareness .

 

[Barrybran]

And it moves us a spot back in the draft, giving a rival club a more highly fancied pick.

Hence wanting more than just Liam Baker. I don't mind helping Richmond out as long as we're helping ourselves out as well.

 

[Knifey Spoony]

This seems like a safe space for a rant/melt:

There is no short cuts in this rebuild, it is a long term pain for long term gain scenario. Anything otherwise will see us as a middling club, not winning our 5th flag.

All low number draft picks should be dedicated to the draft unless a favorable split is available. Even then, the point of bottoming out is access to the elite talent in the pool. We need to be targeting our future A Graders here.

We should only be trading for youngish players on the fringes of good sides who cannot break in and may come over for opportunity, money or job security. Trading third-rounders for Garcia and Dev types is the play.

Use FA for players who improve our best 22, even if they are the 22nd player. Graham or Parfitt are completely acceptable as long as the deal is logical.

Targeting Baker at all is a mistake. Sure, he will probably finish top 10 in our next few B and Fs, but he will cost precious draft capital we cannot afford to give. (Nothing against Baker who is a good player, at the wrong time)

If it is pick 13 (14 now), we are giving up one of our best 5 picks of this rebuild (Harley, Ginbey, Hewett, Pick 3) for a 27 year old flanker.

If we trade the majority of what we receive for Barrass for Baker we both make our team weaker next year and hurt ourselves long-term. It is an incredible outcome.



Thanks for the rant, I feel better now. Time to see what compo Battle was worth...

 

[maverick001]

Does anyone take this league seriously anymore?

No
It gets worse every year. The people in charge should be embarrassed.

 

[mat11]

What is the point of a salary rebate if the other club can't attract a player ?

Eg norf last year . All the salary in the world doesn't help them but a pick does .

I have said it for years the band 1 compo should be mid first round after all the non finalists have picked .

If both Mackay and battle had been pick 11 instead of 3 and 8 it wouldn't be as bad

You would also not get the franklin situation where the biggest contact is history is given and hawks got pick 19 .

Build a good culture?

Hawks lost buddy it opened up salary cap space to bring in someone else because they built a good winning culture.

We need to stop rewarding shit teams

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[maverick001]

Next minute, Josh Rotham signs a 5 million 5 yr deal with the bombers and triggers band one compensation. Love you AFL house

Which we then cancel out by signing AFL superstar Jack Graham

 

[Elite Pete]

To add to the Mitch Cleary conspiracy.

Cummings paper work appeared to be lodge first but (unless I’ve missed) no compensation pick announced by the afl?

Maybe the AFL are onto it and not trying to give us a sighter of where the Bands land?