List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Nuffington Post]

Hawks need to start winning and Port need to start losing


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[Eastern Rangers]

Martins attitude and bikie dad were the issue not his football

Melbourne had two picks to risk though.

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[Farang83150]

Big call:
Harley Reid won't go at #1. Talk of a "generational" player always has a bit of a media hype about it, but simply put he hasn't performed to that standard.
So far this year he hasn't shown much improvement compared with last year & could be an early bloomer uh oh
Right now he has been about as good as Bailey Humphrey was last year (went at #6)

If someone offered me 3 first round picks for #1 or #2, then at this point I would grab it and run. I wouldn't mind banking the odd future pick as well if possible.

• GWS #3 + #7
• North #4 + #12
• GC #5 + F1(#10-#13)
• Melb #6 + #16 + #25

Would only want the GWS picks.

 

[Evo47]

You’d be encouraging your Dad to join a bikie club, if it meant not being drafted by Melbourne back then though…

 

[Obeanie1]

Save time by watching in the shower

If someone felt unclean before.

This is about to get um ....... uncomfortable. A bloke standing in a shower watching Ross Lyon?

But in a bath.......that kinda makes more sense!

And sitting on the sh!ter. Well thats not unheard of reaaly.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

This is going to be a long season....

But I am of the view if we finish last and have Pick 1, trade for multiple picks - x2 inside top 10 and x1 late R1 or very early R2. I also dont want the player with the highest ceiling, I have always liked the Mundy's and Pendlebury's of the world that are ultimate professionals and clubmen that do the job consistently.

With Tasmania coming, we have two more drafts to build the core of our next team. If we can draft five or six 200+ game players that would be ****ing mint. And the opportunity is now. I don't see us being in the 8 until 2026.

And common sense, go hard at Taylor if this can be done with Pick 1 + Change do it.

So to the draft watchers, I hope you have some time because you should be writing up reports/briefs for Bond to make sure we draft, and draft well!

 

[random260]

Seriously every team gets at least pick 18 each year

For all those willing to shill reid for 3x 1st round pick guess what we could just wait for three years and get

pick 18 2023
pick 17 pick 2024
Pick 16 2025

You can't build an elite team around pick 18s. If you could you would have the premiership winners holding their own since they get pick 19 when they win the flag

 

[Obeanie1]

Seriously every team gets at least pick 18 each year

For all those willing to shill reid for 3x 1st round pick guess what we could just wait for three years and get

pick 18 2023
pick 17 pick 2024
Pick 16 2025

You can't build an elite team around pick 18s. If you could you would have the premiership winners holding their own since they get pick 19 when they win the flag

What?

No one is trading pick 1 for 3 1sts in the teens.

Two top 5 picks plus another 1st of GTFO.

2022 We split 2 for 9 and 12 last year.

2023 Split pick 1 for picks 5, 9 and a F1st lets say 15.

2024 we likely finish bottom 3 so say pick 3

2025 we finish say 12th and land pick 7

So over four drafts 2022 to 2025 we use picks 9, 12(14), 5, 9, 3, 15 and then pick 7 in 2025.

Thats 5 top 10 picks and picks 14 and 15. Seven first rounders.

THATs how you fast track a rebuild before Tasmania comes in and the talent gets more diluted.

 

[EagleEgo]

AFL has assigned the pick values of the R1 picks as follows:
1 — 3000

2 — 2517

3 — 2234

4 — 2034

5 — 1878

6 — 1751

7 — 1644

8 — 1551

9 — 1469

10 — 1395

11 — 1329

12 — 1268

13 — 1212

14 — 1161

15 — 1112

16 — 1067

17 — 1025

18 — 985

Therefore, pick 1 should worth roughly pick 8 + pick 9 (2 x 1st round picks) OR pick 16 + pick 17 + pick 18 (3 x 1st round picks). Supply and demand will determine whether this 2023 pick 1 worths more than the designated 3000 points.

 

[Obeanie1]

AFL has assigned the pick values of the R1 picks as follows:
1 — 3000

2 — 2517

3 — 2234

4 — 2034

5 — 1878

6 — 1751

7 — 1644

8 — 1551

9 — 1469

10 — 1395

11 — 1329

12 — 1268

13 — 1212

14 — 1161

15 — 1112

16 — 1067

17 — 1025

18 — 985

Therefore, pick 1 should worth roughly pick 8 + pick 9 (2 x 1st round picks) OR pick 16 + pick 17 + pick 18 (3 x 1st round picks). Supply and demand will determine whether this 2023 pick 1 worths more than the designated 3000 points.

The quality of the player and the demand for that player determines the value of pick 1.

Not points.

 

[dinnaz]

Problem is, with the cliff we have fallen off. It means there's a looong way back.
Our draftees from 2021-2022 are likely to be the 28-29 yr olds in our next window.

Everyone assumes Chesser is a gun, Bazzo will be the next AA defender, Hewett can be at Shueys level.

All good players, yet to be proven if they have the desire to be the best in the country.

Fast tracking a rebuild sounds like we are reaching for magic beans. We need to be taking the best quality possible with an eye that we still have 8 years to go.

 

[dinnaz]

AFL has assigned the pick values of the R1 picks as follows:
1 — 3000

2 — 2517

3 — 2234

4 — 2034

5 — 1878

6 — 1751

7 — 1644

8 — 1551

9 — 1469

10 — 1395

11 — 1329

12 — 1268

13 — 1212

14 — 1161

15 — 1112

16 — 1067

17 — 1025

18 — 985

Therefore, pick 1 should worth roughly pick 8 + pick 9 (2 x 1st round picks) OR pick 16 + pick 17 + pick 18 (3 x 1st round picks). Supply and demand will determine whether this 2023 pick 1 worths more than the designated 3000 points.

Shit system, its plain wrong and no one does those deals for a reason

 

[RanaNaved]

Problem is, with the cliff we have fallen off. It means there's a looong way back.
Our draftees from 2021-2022 are likely to be the 28-29 yr olds in our next window.

Everyone assumes Chesser is a gun, Bazzo will be the next AA defender, Hewett can be at Shueys level.

All good players, yet to be proven if they have the desire to be the best in the country.

Fast tracking a rebuild sounds like we are reaching for magic beans. We need to be taking the best quality possible with an eye that we still have 8 years to go.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, re the window.

The bulk of our next team in 'the window' will be player's from the 2021-24 drafts. They're not going to take 8-10 years to mature. Ginbey and Long already look established in year 1. There's also trading and FA to cherry pick ready-made players through too.

Not everyone assumes Chesser will be a gun, not everyone assumes Bazzo will be AA and not everyone assumes Hewett will be as good as Shuey.
I actually haven't heard or read of anyone saying any of those things.

 

[Cuzz09]

lol please be a real name and please become an Eagle.

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[Cuzz09]

No point worrying about Port now. They're clearly gonna be in finals so our pick is what it is.



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[WCErevival]

No point worrying about Port now. They're clearly gonna be in finals so our pick is what it is.



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Yep. They were tipped to be the team most likely to rise from outside the 8 to top 4 along with Carlton. Hoping they will somehow finish low is a pipe dream.

 

[dinnaz]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, re the window.

The bulk of our next team in 'the window' will be player's from the 2021-24 drafts. They're not going to take 8-10 years to mature. Ginbey and Long already look established in year 1. There's also trading and FA to cherry pick ready-made players through too.

Not everyone assumes Chesser will be a gun, not everyone assumes Bazzo will be AA and not everyone assumes Hewett will be as good as Shuey.
I actually haven't heard or read of anyone saying any of those things.

Because history of every other AFL team ever to be top 2, and I dont have my head in the sand. Who are our 5-6 AA level players? (With another 4-5 in the conversation) Because that's where we need to be to win a flag.

In 3 years we have Oscar Allen at an AA level
with 2021 guys beginning to be the heavy lifters but not at their peak.
2024 draftees wont be ready until 2028-2029 and that's the base of the squad. Around that time we probably play a few elimination finals plus pick up a couple of players here and there every year to top it off gives us a realistic timetable of 2030-2031 as the best team in the comp.

 

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Sam Taylor

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Sam Taylor

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

is such a gun defender, one of my favourite defenders to watch with how quickly he reads the play or outbodies an opponent.

But even if we could get him as a free agent, it'd keep us in the same position that we're currently in: having a huge chunk of salary cap tied up in another unluckily $injury prone$ player. As much as I love him as a player, I dunno if he's a pillar to rebuild a team around.

Of course his lengthy injury history doesn't seem to have any specific recurring problems...

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I didn’t understand this at the time. I thought Martin was the standout prospect given his size and power.


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Certainly not at this point in his draft year.

Two months out from the draft you had Martin available at pick 7, and you were suggesting we should take Koby Stevens over him: Who should we select with our first draft pick?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Certainly not at this point in his draft year.

Two months out from the draft you had Martin available at pick 7, and you were suggesting we should take Koby Stevens over him: Who should we select with our first draft pick?

Nice try floggo.

Speed, play reading ability, decision making are all keys to his game and all done with the highest level of skill. I would love him at Westcoast, i know we have inside mids coming through and Masten and Ebert will be awsome for us but Martin with Shuey and Swift would make a strong case for me with Masten and Ebert rotating through the middle / wings.

The only player who really ticks all the boxes for me as the type of pure midfield option is Dustin Martin, tall, fast, elite kick, reasonable consistency.

 

[Wormkilla]

Heard that Georgiadis is back in WA after doing his knee last week and won’t be going back to SA. West coast a chance of nabbing him seasons end?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Nice try floggo.

Firstly, “floggo”, I said you weren’t promoting Martin this early in his draft year. Those posts are from closer to the draft.

Secondly, “floggo”, you quoted pretty selectively from at least one of those posts.

Martin is the second best mid in the draft for mine, i would take him ahead of Trengove who i can say i bearly noticed when he played at Subiaco. Low trajectory powerful kick, far better than Tapscotts boot. He also has the ability to wind his kicks down so he does have allot of class, can drive it home or lay it out softley for the leading forward.

Speed, play reading ability, decision making are all keys to his game and all done with the highest level of skill. I would love him at Westcoast, i know we have inside mids coming through and Masten and Ebert will be awsome for us but Martin with Shuey and Swift would make a strong case for me with Masten and Ebert rotating through the middle / wings.

 

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[Chump Change]

Problem is, with the cliff we have fallen off. It means there's a looong way back.
Our draftees from 2021-2022 are likely to be the 28-29 yr olds in our next window.

Everyone assumes Chesser is a gun, Bazzo will be the next AA defender, Hewett can be at Shueys level.

All good players, yet to be proven if they have the desire to be the best in the country.

Fast tracking a rebuild sounds like we are reaching for magic beans. We need to be taking the best quality possible with an eye that we still have 8 years to go.

It can be done quicker, it all depends how good the talent is that we bring in. You have to have a top 4 midfield to win a flag, and preferably a gun KPF or two. Both Richmond and Melbourne (Carlton too) dicked around at the bottom of the table for 10-15 years because they made the wrong choices. It was either Scully and Trengove or Tambling, Fiona, and Pettifer.

The cold hard reality is, between 2022 draft and 2025 draft we need to find these players. I'm pretty confident Chesser is not going to end a Pendlebury type. Maybe a Jordan Clarke type - a good solider role player. But what about Ginbey and Hewitt? Do one of them turn into a Patty Cripps, or are they Cera and (George) Hewitt?

Cera and Hewitt compliment a good midfield, and can be part of a premiership midfield, but if there's no Cripps and Walsh, there's no chance of a flag. We have to find the Cripps and Walshes, because through law of averages we will find Cera and Hewitt anyway.

If we draft the right players over the next 3 drafts, particularly at the pointy end, we can have a spread of 200+ game players (Kelly, Barrass), 150+ game players (OA), 80+ game players (Ginbey, Hewitt etc), and 50 game players, we can have a side pushing top 4 in 4-5 year's time.

But you have to be on point with draft selections.

 

[Evo47]

I would like to see us track the progress of these two over the next month or so, with a view to potentially drafting in the MSD.

Luke Teal vs Sam Gilbey

Both creative rebounding defenders with good kicking skills, both had injuries that hampered their preparation during their draft year (Teal - Appendicitis & Collar bone, Gilbey - Broken Leg). None of these injuries project as being an issue moving forward - tick tick

Pretty much same height but Gilbey very lightly built - 75kg….. Teal @ 80kg.

Teal has had a great start to the VFL season, best on in his 2nd game of senior footy. Gilbey started well in the ressies for Claremont and is pushing for senior selection. However, probably coming from a little further back just from the nature of his injury.

Right now, both pretty similar players but it seems as though Teal has an additional string to his bow with an ability to really lockdown on talls and smalls. That coupled with his body being a bit more ready for the rigours of senior footy, I’m taking him.

Others may see things differently