List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[VicBased]

The most senior of the players who went out on the nightclub incident and to me was nowhere near the worst player on our list last year was essentially delisted from that point on.

Yes the club stuck with him and he is now the captain of the Wafl Eagles side. Yes the WAFL eagles side has been horrendous but Nelson has quite easily been the best player for the side this year and is as fit as ever and is leading from the front.

I would also ask if you have ever worked in a modern club environment. I'm not talking at AFL level here but with teens and young adults who are all a young group in the same field? You can't just tear kids apart these days. Even guys in their late 20's, they will just buck against it rather than knuckle down. As much as people don't like it they need to be led and fed positivity to get the best out of themselves. Long gone are the days where you destroy blokes at half time or after a match and get a good result long term. The coaching team loses the players.

Yes the players weren't fit enough last year and standards had slid and perhaps even the year before as well. I don't think anyone now is denying that. However there have been huge changes at the club and the club tried for even more footy staff personnel changes over the summer. We came out of the preseason the fittest i've seen the team in a long time. s**t they were still trying to shore up the recruiting department in March.

Shuey offered to step down as captain but was backed in by the club and the players themselves vote on who the captain should be. If the club came out and said sorry, we're vetoing your vote and installing someone else as captain how do you think that goes for club morale?

Nicnat being given a 2 year contract and redden not being given a contract for this year are probably the only two things I would have liked the club to handle differently. (internally) Redden would have been really useful this year and I certainly would have backed him in with his durability over others we kept. Also it basically came down to Shuey or Redden. How did we go the last time we essentially delisted sacked and delisted a club captain? Not very well. Also on keeping Nicnat with an ongoing issue with his Achilles it goes both ways.

Nicnat basically put every ounce of his soul into the game last year to see Kennedy sent off with a win and the achilles hasn't been right since. But lets look at that, it's something he has been managing for years and is likely in relation to his knee injuries. Kennedy was diagnosed with a degenerative knee condition in 2013/2014, yet won 2 (should have been 3) colemans after that point and became our greatest ever goal kicker. With injuries like this you don't know how long a player has left and secondly Nicnat gets paid the AFL ambassador money which is outside the salary and soft cap at 300k per year and is on basically minimum AFL salary for an established player above that. He is worth more around the club as a leader, teacher of a young ruck brigade and well and truly worth more from a revenue perspective. Also we don't have another player the AFL would pay on the list to be an ambassador for the game.

The McGovern and Gaff deals were the right thing at the time, the Yeo contract was the right decision at the time. The Tim Kelly trade was expensive and we were ****ed over by the BODE but it was the right call for a team going all in on a premiership. I still truly believe Geelong had no interest in trading him to us the year before. The club on the last day even caved and offered Geelong everything it asked for and was turned down.

What more do people want? This is at the very least no matter who you put in the roles another 3 years before we start to rise again. Or would you like to cripple the clubs future by trading for the now (if you can even get players to move and then they would be on inflated salaries plus the loss of draft capital) only to end up being a mid table team and having to have another rebuilt in 5 years time.

With the system that is in place now plus a tasmanian club coming in the club basically has to draft and develop perfectly plus get lucky on a few trades and free agents otherwise we won't be winning a flag. Academies, FS, more teams picking in each round of the draft plus every club doing their best to be at the height of professionalism means winning a flag for a WA team is nigh on impossible. We were damned lucky to win one when we did and then the AFL completely destroyed our game plan with rule changes and a group of family oriented blokes got pissed off during the first Covid hub for which we were given no end date. Literally the guinea pigs for a once in a lifetime event. At the end of that season a guy who probably had 1 more good year in him was moved on despite being well liked by the players because of it. You combine all this with a soft cap 30% lower than the club is used to spending on the football department (not accounting for inflation) and we literally have our hands tied behind our back.

The only other thing I would say we have ****ed up was in keeping Nisbett around. Vozzo should have been handed the reigns, maybe with Nisbett in the background for a year when he was ready. But Nisbett held on, Vozzo got rightly pissed, had some time off and came back in a less significant role before being poached later on.

The drafting hasn't been great but the picks haven't been great either. For most of those drafts and picks we were playing lucky dip and didn't get so lucky. But we did get lucky enough to trade in the right players and have a couple of late draft picks light it up and win us a premiership.

This will be the last time i respond to you on this, I literally have no-one on ignore but your posting is just a revolving cycle of shitting on the club with no solutions. Seriously come up with a viable solution or even close to one and I'll respect it and respond.

Excellent post and such a shame it will mainly fall on deaf ears. Some people enjoy being negative, they know no other way.
Go the Eagles!!!

 

[Godfather32]

That's splitting hairs.

Both were available to be selected in the rookie draft and both ended up contracted as rookies on the Rookie list.

The reality is the SSP period and mid season draft are an extensions of the rookie draft.

Players not selected in the main draft can be selected in the following Rookie draft, SSP period or midseason draftand be added to the rookie list.

So the Rookie list has produced some depth players. But not specifically Rookies taken in the Rookie draft.

Disagree on the MSD, it's completely different from the rookie draft imo.
SSP I agree you could probably argue is an extension of the rookie draft, although it seems we mostly use this to take guys who've already been in the AFL system before (which is how we've wasted plenty of picks in the rookie draft in the past).

 

[WCE_phil]

I don't see the comparison.

JHF is a heavy set through the legs and has poor lateral movement. He's all about either standing up in a tackle or exiting out the stoppage as quickly as possible.

From what I've seen Reid reminds me of Toby Greene, a little bigger and a little quicker. His dummy step, arch in traffic, ability to body line the ball and then change direction. Uses the ball like him.

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I was thinking more from the inside mid perspective. You are right in that he has a better step, but I still believe Reid is a power and strength player despite his other abilities.

TBH and i've been big on this for years is I think the draft age needs to be raised by 12 months. With the introduction of an extra team that now doesn't seem viable for at least another decade. I think if players had to spend 1 year out of the colts system playing reserves or seniors footy against men it would make a huge difference in drafting and also greatly reduce the bust rate on players, particularly in the first round.

I also think JHF has lost some lateral movement, maybe my memory isn't as great as it used to be but he did seem to have a decent step as a junior which also shows just how much of a difference there is between U18's and the SANFL vs being a main mid at AFL level. Something that works or is even a power move for you at U18's doesn't necessarily translate.

 

[VicBased]

I was thinking more from the inside mid perspective. You are right in that he has a better step, but I still believe Reid is a power and strength player despite his other abilities.

TBH and i've been big on this for years is I think the draft age needs to be raised by 12 months. With the introduction of an extra team that now doesn't seem viable for at least another decade. I think if players had to spend 1 year out of the colts system playing reserves or seniors footy against men it would make a huge difference in drafting and also greatly reduce the bust rate on players, particularly in the first round.

I also think JHF has lost some lateral movement, maybe my memory isn't as great as it used to be but he did seem to have a decent step as a junior which also shows just how much of a difference there is between U18's and the SANFL vs being a main mid at AFL level. Something that works or is even a power move for you at U18's doesn't necessarily translate.

Couldn't agree more with the age level. With what Dangerflog did to Ginbey, and I am hoping he is a tough cookie and not phased by that game, it could have lesser players leaving the system

 

[VicBased]

Couldn't agree more with the age level. With what Dangerflog did to Ginbey, and I am hoping he is a tough cookie and not phased by that game, it could have lesser players leaving the system

Wasn't being funny mate.

 

[eagles rule]

I remember tom scully being the number 1 pick without anyone being in the conversation for the 2 years leading up to his draft. Guaranteed star .

Scully was more of a risk due to smallish body size to be a guaranteed star competing against the bigger bodies at AFL level ..

 

[eagles rule]

I really like it to see how young players go playing against bigger bodies, as I like it when they play WAFL, SANFL, VFL seniors. It's a good test.

Not suggesting it is the be all and end all, but still a good indicator if they perform well.

perhaps this will push Luke Teal`s name fwd for the MSD .. I heard he got the 3 coaches votes in his 2nd VFL game for Richmond ..Good size too 190 cm hbf/winger roles ..

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m watching the Port game and feeling unclean hoping a Ross Lyon team win!!

 

[Keys]

I’m watching the Port game and feeling unclean hoping a Ross Lyon team win!!

Will need a shower afterwards

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Save time by watching in the shower.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I remember tom scully being the number 1 pick without anyone being in the conversation for the 2 years leading up to his draft. Guaranteed star .

I didn’t understand this at the time. I thought Martin was the standout prospect given his size and power.


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[Chump Change]

Scully was more of a risk due to smallish body size to be a guaranteed star competing against the bigger bodies at AFL level ..

At the time people were jizzing all over him, but they were the days before it became abundantly clear not to spend pick 1 on an outside mid.

 

[lauriecooper77]

Anyone know if we have a spot available for the mid season draft?

 

[Godfather32]

Anyone know if we have a spot available for the mid season draft?

Not unless we place someone on the LTI or someone retires.
So probably about 10 spots

 

[boondy]

Anyone know if we have a spot available for the mid season draft?

We can put Cripps on long term and access a spot

 

[Spooky17]

At the time people were jizzing all over him, but they were the days before it became abundantly clear not to spend pick 1 on an outside mid.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I think colts who play wafl league as 17 or 18 years old usually develop quicker.Think of Coniglio,Duncan Rich,Darling,Spp and lots of others.Many of the Draftees we have recruited have only played Tac or under 18's and have struggled to adjust to playing Wafl league in their first year.

Agreed. Like I said a good test, Rozee did it in Sanfl, Diacos lit up the VFL and plenty more.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

perhaps this will push Luke Teal`s name fwd for the MSD .. I heard he got the 3 coaches votes in his 2nd VFL game for Richmond ..Good size too 190 cm hbf/winger roles ..

He's definitely got the talent, hampered by injuries last year.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I didn’t understand this at the time. I thought Martin was the standout prospect given his size and power.


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Not sure Martin would have backed up his on-field performance with interviews. Clubs (especially interstate) place huge importance on character

 

[DanWCE]

Save time by watching in the shower.

Sex life, mate

 

[VicBased]

Such a shame we never went with SPP.West Aussie and getting better with age.

 

[ghostbat12]

You sound aggressively in denial to honest.

Of course you try to keep the window open but we kept hold of the old guard for too long, and the contracts we handed out to the likes of Gov, Gaff were irresponsible. Two more years for Nic Nat - irresponsible. The issue is definitely the list. 22 and younger - there is very little to get excited about holistically apart from our recent draftees. Our youth is extremely weak. Maybe one of the weakest in the comp. You're deluded if you cant see the list is a mess. Absolutely deluded.

Kelly has probably been our best mid for the last two years, but to give up so much? Again, irresponsible and its absolutely killed us.

You exemplify the problem with the eagles supporter base overall. House is burning down but nothing to see here - lets turn on anyone who suggests otherwise and punch on at the Camfield after the game after a few mid strengths.

I think you are panicking and ready to bring out the pitchforks.

Take a breath and calm down. Kelly was maybe 1 second round draft pick too many. That’s one player.

Calm down. No one is in denial where we are at but you can’t just dump all players because it becomes a dockers like rebuild, who have been rebuilding for nearly a decade.

We are more akin to Adelaide. Old players will go out as better young players come in.

What I find cynical is that people want the cash to get better players but then don’t want to give up draft picks either as we are rebuilding. Can’t do both and we have to pay salary cap.

I get it, fans want to treat players like commodities but it’s far more complex than that. Fans are fans but within the club, you can’t have poor culture. Just like any workplace.

 

[Spooky17]

Such a shame we never went with SPP.West Aussie and getting better with age.

Apparently we did try last trade period.

Port was asking too much, and we left it too late into the trade period to get something over the line.

 

[Evo47]

I’m watching the Port game and feeling unclean hoping a Ross Lyon team win!!

My budding boobs are tingling…come at me Rosco

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I didn’t understand this at the time. I thought Martin was the standout prospect given his size and power.


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Martins attitude and bikie dad were the issue not his football