List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[briztoon]

You are clearly seeing something very different to what I have been then.


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Don't forget he is still 18, has been been used as our primary defensive midfielder with very little support and has been beaten into a pulp through the season.

His tackling ability alone means that at worst he will provide an upgraded Redden-type in future.


Combine results and preseason training both highlighted his athleticism which run counter to the claim that he lacks pace - it could just be that he's just tired and sore and is probably in need of a rest.

P.Cripps, Oliver and Wines could be described in much the same way - yet we know they are very effective stoppage players due to their strength, positioning and ability to gather and dispose by hand on both sides very quickly.

It's still very early, but so far Ginbey has demonstrated that he has the potential to follow a similar trajectory.

This is not a comment on Ginbey, but a comment on the bolded section.

Some players test very well at the combine, showing very good athleticism and explosive running over 20m.

But it doesn’t always translate to the football field.

We (the Lions) drafted such a player in 2018, in Ely Smith. Was one of the combine standouts.

But he could never put it together on the footy field.

I haven’t watched enough of West Coast to say what Ginbey is like on the field.

You guys should be able to see it every week.

Has Ginbey shown he can explode or burst from a stoppage.

Has he been able to demonstrate his speed with ball in hand, in space.

 

[steve hucka]

Where does lack of explosive pace come from? His 20m was very explosive.

To be fair so far he hasn't shown burst out of the box explosiveness despite his impressive 20m time.

Remember Hutchings also run a 2.83 sec 20m time

 

[Dylan82]

This is not a comment on Ginbey, but a comment on the bolded section.

Some players test very well at the combine, showing very good athleticism and explosive running over 20m.

But it doesn’t always translate to the football field.

We (the Lions) drafted such a player in 2018, in Ely Smith. Was one of the combine standouts.

But he could never put it together on the footy field.

I haven’t watched enough of West Coast to say what Ginbey is like on the field.

You guys should be able to see it every week.

Has Ginbey shown he can explode or burst from a stoppage.

Has he been able to demonstrate his speed with ball in hand, in space.

E.Smith was banging on the door of breaking into the team before injuries crippled him is my understanding though.

Averaging 17 disposals for South Adelaide this year, is a shadow of what he could have been.

 

[Lia]

Comparing Ginbey to Rowan Jones is a new one.

 

[ziad]

Comparing Ginbey to Rowan Jones is a new one.

highly valued role - check Ro Jo's stats

 

[ziad]

Some you blokes go early…. Kid has played 11 games in the worst side in the competition and played pretty well but projects as a “rich man’s Rowan Jones in a good midfield”

very few his age have demonstrated they can play at this level. We are now discuissing the type of player he is.

 

[briztoon]

E.Smith was banging on the door of breaking into the team before injuries crippled him is my understanding though.

Averaging 17 disposals for South Adelaide this year, is a shadow of what he could have been.

Smith was never close to breaking in to the team.

I don’t remember any serious injuries, though there was a unexplained period of absence the year before he was delisted, if I recall correctly.

 

[TerryFilk]

I’ll actually go as far as to say Ginbey has had a better first year than Humphrey to date. We haven’t seen much of Hewett but if you were a glass half full type which I know your not then the deal still has upside.

Secondly I can’t think of anyone that had Humphrey ranked number 2 on draft boards and maybe some had him as high as 5, most draft watchers had Humphrey ranked between 5-10. Most of the concerns over him surrounded his goal kicking which currently sits at 35% at AfL level(below Average).His mental health was also a concern he had openly talked about his battles with depression.

The club would have been reaching to take a bloke rated my most between pick 5-10 at pick 2. I do hope Humphrey has a good career he’s seems a great young fella.

Calling out our recruiting team as a failure because we should have taken Humphrey over Ginbey and Hewett at this stage of the player’s careers is a complete over reaction.

Humphrey would’ve been higher if he played earlier in the year

Also, obviously Ginbey has had a better year due to playing more games but Humprheys best is significantly better than Ginbeys already and in my opinion Humphrey always had the most potential to improve and become an incredibly expansive player. He’s the perfect modern superstar prototype

 

[TerryFilk]

Remember when Luke Foley looked decent lol?

 

[ziad]

I feel managed retirements coming on.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

WCE would have drafted Clark at 2 anyway so it's completely irrelevant. Geelong were very good with miscommunication, we genuinely thought they would draft Busslinger and the Eagles would get Clark at 9 and then Ginbey at 14. Up until Essendon showed strong interest which came out the night before / morning of the draft my thoughts were that Hewett would slide to WCE at pick 21.

Hewett was seen as much of a flight risk as any of the Victorians.

I work with Hewett's cousin. And I was told plenty of times leading to the draft his family is very close and he didn't want to move, saints interviewed him a couple of times nevertheless its old news he is with us now.

Splitting Pick 2 for Ginbey and Hewett will be a win if both play 200 games+ compared to Sheezel or Wardlaw.

 

[Dylan82]

Smith was never close to breaking in to the team.

I don’t remember any serious injuries, though there was a unexplained period of absence the year before he was delisted, if I recall correctly.

He had a severe syndesmosis injury in 2020, after playing every reserve game in 2019.

Came back and then redid the same injury. Acceleration was non-existent after that.

Hence delisting when his contract ended last year.

 

[TerryFilk]

De Goey absolutely cleaned up Hewett and not one of our players went after him

Disgraceful, never been a lower point in this clubs history.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

They'll give Hurn a two year deal next week

 

[mattyc75]

Remember when Luke Foley looked decent lol?

No i just remember when we thought he was a midfielder when he was drafted

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[JackOutback]

Harry Laconic Jr

Wish he was a man of few words.

 

[whatis]

Bailey Williams out of contract next year? Starting to see the potential now. Hope he stays.

 

[3agles87]

apparently Briztoon has never heard of Mark Hutchings

34

Mark Hutchings

Age

33

Ht

182cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

19.4

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

3.6

5star

, mr 2.83

 

[ArdentEagle]

To be fair so far he hasn't shown burst out of the box explosiveness despite his impressive 20m time.

Remember Hutchings also run a 2.83 sec 20m time

Are you posting from Jail?

 

[dinnaz]

Ginbey is quick. Make no mistake about that, has a mean fend off too. When we get the midfield balance right I have no doubt he will provide some Judd like highlights, just not all that often

 

[wceratta]

Zac Mainwaring is actually starting to put together a decent year of League footy still only 21 brings so much energy to everything he does he might be a sneaky chance for a rookie spot at the end of the year?


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[Cuzz09]

Zac Mainwaring is actually starting to put together a decent year of League footy still only 21 brings so much energy to everything he does he might be a sneaky chance for a rookie spot at the end of the year?


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Do it.

For the feels at worst

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[Spooky17]

Are you posting from Jail?

steve hucka did you end up getting drafted a few years back?

 

[ArdentEagle]

steve hucka did you end up getting drafted a few years back?

That was the first rumour which I think was proven false. Then it was reported that we was actually an infamous WA serial killer.

 

[CountryLad]

Suns first round pick is starting to look more like a mid round one. Maybe pick 9-13. They will need to definitely move that pick as either Rodgers or Walter will go before that on current form.