List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[eagles rule]

Now we’re on the bottom I expect the announcement to come out tomorrow that Harley Reid has a case of the Wardlaw’s and has hamstring issues

We got prepared last year when we drafted 2 of his team mates from VC in Long and Burgeil ..Shh all part of a plan ..

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Time to spit ball again.

If we have pick no 1 and Reid is a generational talent (but not at Judd's level) we would have to trade it for multiple picks.

Something along hthe lines of picks 5 &:8 & 15.

And no trading multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders to get another 1st round.

Quality always counts. But in our instance we badly need quantity across all lines.

Imagine the messiah pressure pick 1 would be for us and the player.

 

[DanWA]

Retire Nic Nat surely?

Surely he does that for himself

 

[eagles rule]

Will he make it past pick 40?

I think late 2nd or early 3rd pick at this stage ,it maybe shorter if he has a good U18 Championship ..

 

[ziad]

Nic is interesting- we are investing time in him to come good. A leader, coach and mentor? Perhaps the fact that in 2021 he was AA plays a part.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Not too much to report on from Juddy jnr.

 

[WCE_phil]

Time to spit ball again.

If we have pick no 1 and Reid is a generational talent (but not at Judd's level) we would have to trade it for multiple picks.

Something along hthe lines of picks 5 &:8 & 15.

And no trading multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders to get another 1st round.

Quality always counts. But in our instance we badly need quantity across all lines.

Imagine the messiah pressure pick 1 would be for us and the player.

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

 

[groga]

General question, I’m having a little bit of an argument with a mate, so looking for opinions.

Do west coast ask for special draft compensation? Two years* (looking likely) a record as bad as any team in recent years. I would say we would be asking the question and feel we have a case.

His argument is we shouldn’t get as it is only 2 years at the bottom and we won it in 2018.

Thoughts?

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Need right now to find a ruckman to replace nic Nat in the mid season draft. Surely there has to be someone in a second tier league that is available.

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[WCE_phil]

General question, I’m having a little bit of an argument with a mate, so looking for opinions.

Do west coast ask for special draft compensation? Two years* (looking likely) a record as bad as any team in recent years. I would say we would be asking the question and feel we have a case.

His argument is we shouldn’t get as it is only 2 years at the bottom and we won it in 2018.

Thoughts?

If we finish with 2 wins. That's 4 wins over 2 seasons.

North got their compensation package after 6 wins and a draw over 2 seasons. Absolutely we should be asking at the bare least for what north got.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think late 2nd or early 3rd pick at this stage ,it maybe shorter if he has a good U18 Championship ..

This is a deep draft and remember only the top rucks go early.

Barnett was ranked best ruck last year, went pick 22.

Coen isnt in the top 2 or 3 ruck conversation atm so a pick after 40 is still on the cards.

But yes, his championship form will tell us more. If we can land him with matching after 40 I will be a very happy camper..

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Hope Georgiadis comes out in a press conference blasting ports efforts and medical staff and say how professional we are compared.

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It's the rioli way. Needs to tell them that he's doing it for his future family and kids.

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[Obeanie1]

If we finish with 2 wins. That's 4 wins over 2 seasons.

North got their compensation package after 6 wins and a draw over 2 seasons. Absolutely we should be asking at the bare least for what north got.

Would be happy with a couple of extra 2nds over two drafts we must trade for players.

Defensible from an AFL perspective especially considering we lost Venables and Sheppard early with concussion retirements.

 

[Obeanie1]

Need right now to find a ruckman to replace nic Nat in the mid season draft. Surely there has to be someone in a second tier league that is available.

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Do we really need to in the mid season draft though?

Its simple, pick the best player available, its a mid season free hit at overlooked players who have shown improvement since missing being picked up in the draft. If we have two spots then maybe reach with a 2nd pick mid season with a ruck.

We are likely looking at Coen this draft and hopefully English as a FA end of 2024. English is Nic's replacement. In rhe mean time we 'build resillience' and the young rucks gain experience ahead of time.

 

[stylish]

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

I like your thinking. There are a couple of things I'd do a little different however.

NN has another year so he's unlikely to retire & to be honest I'd keep him even at 3/4 capacity

Id keep Rotham & have him train with the mids specifically wing. Yes he got pansted last night but
1) it was a class player
2) the ball was heading that way under no pressure with regular monotony
3) he was undersized

I actually think he can bring value unlike Petrucelle whom I believe has had ample time over a number of seasons to show his worth. He might and I stress the word might add value to a team that can afford to have a player who lacks the real fundamentals of football but brings great pace. He's a "missing piece of the puzzle" player & WC don't have any need for that type of player now nor for the next 3-4 years I would think.

West I'd rookie. Think he was actually OK last night against the odds & brings a type of fanatical passion that all clubs an find a spot for.

Think it's a bit harsh on Williams

The rest of the names you mention & their movements I agree with.

A point on Culley. Drafted as a mid who can play forward, the last couple of games have seen no mid time. Injury curtailing that option or a realisation WC can't afford another slow poke around the centre square?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

Big no from me trading our future first . It could be pick 1 .

Happy to trade our future 2nd and some of our later picks this year and target suns 1st rounder this year .

Our future 2nd could be a top 20 pick so it should hold value for the suns wanting to accumulate future picks .

 

[Dylan82]

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

Agreed. All in on this draft.

The depth appears good at this point and nobody knows what shenanigans AFL HQ are going to pull for Tasmania in coming years.


Get the picks in before they are compromised.

 

[Chump Change]

Time to spit ball again.

If we have pick no 1 and Reid is a generational talent (but not at Judd's level) we would have to trade it for multiple picks.

Something along hthe lines of picks 5 &:8 & 15.

And no trading multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders to get another 1st round.

Quality always counts. But in our instance we badly need quantity across all lines.

Imagine the messiah pressure pick 1 would be for us and the player.

My calculation is roughly this:

#1 is maybe worth #5 and #8 or thereabouts. I don't think there's a scenario where someone offers 3 top 10 picks. So #5, #8 and #15? Maybe someone offers it, but pick 15 - we've been getting circa pick 15 for a decade and the best we have to show for it is Liam Duggan.

There's a video on the AFL site that I watched this morning. Kanye Cornes is basically saying 1 player can change your team. And he's correct. Danger and Cripps were at about #10, Oliver #4, Judd #3. But just like taking a punt on Reid, you have to take a punt on 2 players and hope you guess one of them correct.

There's a saying in the IT industry: "No one gets fired for choosing HP" which is transferable to any industry and it means, "If you choose the obvious and it doesn't turn out to be the best option, you will be forgiven. But go out on a limb to choose an alternative and get it wrong, there's the door".

So for me, unless circa #5, #6, and #9 are being offered up, go with Reid and if he turns out to be Cameron Rayner or Matt Rowell then so be it. These players are far from duds. They're just not Dusty or Bont.

 

[Chump Change]

General question, I’m having a little bit of an argument with a mate, so looking for opinions.

Do west coast ask for special draft compensation? Two years* (looking likely) a record as bad as any team in recent years. I would say we would be asking the question and feel we have a case.

His argument is we shouldn’t get as it is only 2 years at the bottom and we won it in 2018.

Thoughts?

We should always ask for it and turn on the victim mode to try and curry influence. But realistically your mate is correct. We won in 2018, we're a big successful club that always comes good, and we've had injuries. I'd suggest if we're bottom 2 next season we'd have a strong chance of getting an end of 1st rounder.

 

[Chump Change]

Do we really need to in the mid season draft though?

Its simple, pick the best player available, its a mid season free hit at overlooked players who have shown improvement since missing being picked up in the draft. If we have two spots then maybe reach with a 2nd pick mid season with a ruck.

We are likely looking at Coen this draft and hopefully English as a FA end of 2024. English is Nic's replacement. In rhe mean time we 'build resillience' and the young rucks gain experience ahead of time.

Yep. Building a list may be hard but the method is simple.

Best available
Best available
Best available
Best available
Best available
Best available
Best available

** with some consideration on go home factor and positional needs

Right, what does our team look like? Which draftees came good? Which didn't? Where are our gaps?

Okay, we're heading towards top 4 and we need a 3rd tall fwd, or trad wingman, or speedy HBF etc. What WA boys fit what we need and can be lured home?

I don't understand why people think we need a gun ruckman, right now? Just draft the best players we can get our hands on, and if Williams or barnet haven't come on, go find a 25 year old second stringer to a dominant ruckman and draft him in.

 

[Mulldogg]

Club in media damage control with all this bad news off the back of another 100 point hiding at home.

Definitely holding off the announcement of the re-signing of both McGovern and Cripps.

Don’t have a problem re-signing them given they were in reasonable form prior to their injuries but the fact that they’re reportedly 2 year deals for 1992 born players isn’t going to help dispel the view that we’ve been too complacent into hanging onto players whose best footy is now well behind them.

 

[ziad]

I like your thinking. There are a couple of things I'd do a little different however.

NN has another year so he's unlikely to retire & to be honest I'd keep him even at 3/4 capacity

Id keep Rotham & have him train with the mids specifically wing. Yes he got pansted last night but
1) it was a class player
2) the ball was heading that way under no pressure with regular monotony
3) he was undersized

I actually think he can bring value un

This is from the Brander will come good school. Rotham is like Waternan and others - had plenty of opportunities but when the whips are cracking they are WAFL players.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

I like your picks there except for Tholstrup, i think he is overated

Coen Livingston is one i have had a eye on is rucking fulltime at the moment until Gomersall comes back.
Is a terrific mark and very good field kick for a ruck man prefer him as a forward, his aggression at the contest is what separates him.
Shows special qualities in bursts
Like you said Edwards will be a star already good overhead and taps needs to build his body is 205cm and still growing we just need him on our list

I would like to add Ashton Moir is the best kick of the footy i have seen Darren Jarman class, playing as a half forward
is not dominating but has so much to work on will eventually move into midfield. His grand parents both sides live in wa and is a WCE supporter
would be a very good pick up longer term.

 

[Farang83150]

While that is true, just because pick one if worth 3000, that doesn't mean that we should be getting picks in the late teens or picks 8+9 just because it's equivalent it even more than 3000 points. If the club really did that then the fans will go full nuclear especially me.

With a player of Reid's potential caliber, more than 3000 points is needed so clubs looking to pay up must pay more than 3000 points in picks. As you mentioned supply and demand for Reid or some gun skyrocketing prospect if they maintains their form will push his value up much higher than 3000 points.

I'm getting the impression that you want the club to trade for picks 8+9 or picks 16, 17 and 18 which is unders IMO for a player like Reid. For picks 8+9 you gotta add either a F1 or another picks in the late teens. You would need more than that if the club is gonna trade away pick 1.

Would be ropable if they did that for pick 1.
8+9 or picks 16, 17 and 18

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

This is from the Brander will come good school. Rotham is like Waternan and others - had plenty of opportunities but when the whips are cracking they are WAFL players.

Can’t resist a drive-by at Waterman, can you.

What were you saying over the previous two weeks when he had 43 touches and five goals? That’s right, nothing. Or possibly “Hutchings had a better game”