List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

www.bigfooty.com

Link to Lore ’s excellent draft order thread that is updated to reflect current ladder positions

Resource - 2023 AFL Draft Order

Every trade as it happens!

www.bigfooty.com

 

[TerryFilk]

Hawks vs us in 3 weeks in Tassie might end up deciding the Reid cup

I think we might witness an all time tank effort from both teams lol

 

[WCErevival]

Hawks vs us in 3 weeks in Tassie might end up deciding the Reid cup

I think we might witness an all time tank effort from both teams lol

Dont count out North Melbourne this early.

 

[stylish]

This is from the Brander will come good school. Rotham is like Waternan and others - had plenty of opportunities but when the whips are cracking they are WAFL players.

All AFL teams have WAFL level players - many in fact become premiership players i.e. Armstrong, Shane Bond, Ryan Turnball are a few I can mention from the 90's.

Fill a team of Armstrong quality type's, and they finish bottom looking like WC did last night. But surround them with players of quality; Matera, Kemp, McKenna etc, and they perform a role they are expected to do.
I believe Rotham can do just that on a wing better than what options WC have now.

 

[stylish]

Can’t resist a drive-by at Waterman, can you.

What were you saying over the previous two weeks when he had 43 touches and five goals? That’s right, nothing. Or possibly “Hutchings had a better game”

I seem to recall a poster who often comments about the club from the inside saying that fans generally form an opinion about a player and remember when they do something that is in line with that opinion whilst ignoring things that run contradictory.

Was that BOND?

 

[Convocation]

The Fix - Making The Eagles Fly Again - The Mongrel Punt

With injuries killing the team, West Coast fans need something to look forward to. HB explores how the club improves in 2024/25

themongrelpunt.com

 

[Cornelius Roy]

With regards to priority picks from the AFL, I think we should be asking for a priority pick to cover the loss of sheppard and venables to concussions. Let them join the dots that’s in their best interests to soften our decline.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I want to trade pick 1 if GWS are willing to pay the premium.
Then I want to trade our 2024 first into this draft.

This is the draft. We can potentially line up 9 main list spots with a bit of creativity and fill all positions on field bar maybe 1 more true inside mid.

Pick 1. 5,9 and their future second.
Our future first plus ports third (this is a risk as we could be trading pick 1) for Picks 6, 17 and 35. People will say this isn't enough but next years draft is incredibly compromised.

Go to the draft with 5,6,9,17,20, 32, 35, 37, 55.

Duursma (more midfield ability than any of the other star half forwards but feel we won't quite put it all together to secure a space in the top 3 but will show in 2-3 games his absolute quality. Is a true 70+ metre player who can player taller or smaller and will only get better)
Wilson (Classiest user in the draft, future star all over the field but for me our future star HBF and kick in player as well as his run and carry makes him a genuine 70+ metre player)
Watson (The wizard, a high pick to pay for what a lot will say is just a very small forward. They are underselling him. Yes he's small but has a good frame and in a lot of ways combines a lot of the best work of Rankine and Rachele. If he was 180cm he would be pick 2)
Curtin (Will be played around the ground during the year and will fall in the order. Will likely have to play FB at champs and second academy game will harm his draft position)
Tholstrup (overexposure due to being so good at 16 and not continuing that rate of development but will still be a great HF who will take midfield time as well)
Livingstone (Sorry guys my bolter, I want him and we're going to have to pay a pick before 40. Forget the ruck, he's an aggressive FF)
Hall (Balanced mid, lots of leadership, great left leg, is aggressive one on one. More outside than in but could move further inside over time)
Edwards (Will drift a fair bit as he is filling into his body and be the third true ruckman taken in the draft, we have to take him here or he's a free hit to freo but will be a star Ruck after 4 years of development particularly with the bounce disappearing)
Evans. (Mid sized defender, attacks the ball and man well, knows when to zone off and plays bigger than he is. Can also give some drive, has been prone to trying to do too much at times with possession which if he's your main man out of defence can lead to some howlers hence his draft position)

Then aim to bring our 2025 first rounder into next years draft and then just aim for role players outside that pick, trades and free agency in coming years.

This is not a draft for genuine top tier inside mids outside of Harley Reid. We're still going to need one and I dont care if it's next years draft or if it's a huge trade and contract. But outside of that this covers us for almost all bases bar depth. Also every player there bar Edwards has the ability and aggression to win one on one contests basically from the time they are drafted. There is a great spread of size, skills, one on one ability, speed and aggression. I'm calling it all in on the 2023 draft.

Oh and Big Call, Barnett to FB.

Retire.
Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat

Delist and Rookie
L Edwards, Witherden, Jack Williams

Delist.
Rotham, Clark, O'Niell, Foley, West, Winder, Trew

Upgrade to main list. Culley

Gives us 10 main list spots
3 of those will move to the rookie list
1 open rookie spot

I would have delisted Petrucelle and aimed for rookie but I think he'd be poached. I still hold out a lot of hope for him as a role player as a bit like Harry Edwards and Jamieson they were true project players. Particularly if he can play out the year without injury.

1 Year contracts for anyone over the age of 30, maybe 2 for McGovern. No more than 2 year contracts for any of the borderline spuds I haven't delisted.

Love it.

My tweeks.

I want Ashton moir. The interview on AFL website the other week was quite impressive. Elite skills either side of the body.

Retirees

Delist

Rerookie

Let petrucelli go and we use his pick for Dev Robertson.

Trade darling. dangle the carrot. Early second rounder pick 25.

Trade gaff and take what we can get.

McGovern.......

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Tugga27]

Love it.

My tweeks.

I want Ashton moir. The interview on AFL website the other week was quite impressive. Elite skills either side of the body.

Retirees

Delist

Rerookie

Let petrucelli go and we use his pick for Dev Robertson.

Trade darling. dangle the carrot. Early second rounder pick 25.

Trade gaff and take what we can get.

McGovern.......

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

You think Darling wants to be traded?

 

[Nuffington Post]

History of number 1 picks … not a strong track record

 

[Farang83150]

Love it.

My tweeks.

I want Ashton moir. The interview on AFL website the other week was quite impressive. Elite skills either side of the body.

Retirees

Delist

Rerookie

Let petrucelli go and we use his pick for Dev Robertson.

Trade darling. dangle the carrot. Early second rounder pick 25.

Trade gaff and take what we can get.

McGovern.......

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Darling won't leave

 

[Chump Change]

Love it.

My tweeks.

I want Ashton moir. The interview on AFL website the other week was quite impressive. Elite skills either side of the body.

Retirees

Delist

Rerookie

Let petrucelli go and we use his pick for Dev Robertson.

Trade darling. dangle the carrot. Early second rounder pick 25.

Trade gaff and take what we can get.

McGovern.......

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Darling is only valuable to a team who is in the flag window and think they can win a flag by bringing him in.

Melbourne - maybe, but already got it done with Brown and McDonald
Pies - McStay and Mihocek
Brisbane - Danners and Hipwood. Maybe.
Saints - King and membrey. Maybe
Port. Maybe.
Carlton - Curnow and McKay. Nope.

Someone has to want him, then be willing to cough up a mid 20s pick, and then he has to be convinced.


The even bigger issue is we need him take take heat of OA. He's not tradeable IMO. Barrass and Ryan on the other hand.....

 

[WCErevival]

Darling is only valuable to a team who is in the flag window and think they can win a flag by bringing him in.

Melbourne - maybe, but already got it done with Brown and McDonald
Pies - McStay and Mihocek
Brisbane - Danners and Hipwood. Maybe.
Saints - King and membrey. Maybe
Port. Maybe.
Carlton - Curnow and McKay. Nope.

Someone has to want him, then be willing to cough up a mid 20s pick, and then he has to be convinced.


The even bigger issue is we need him take take heat of OA. He's not tradeable IMO. Barrass and Ryan on the other hand.....

Imagine trading Barrass and having a Rotham/Hedwards combo in the backline.

 

[Farang83150]

So re-sign Cripps but trade Ryan...

 

[Cuzz09]

Surely it's time to put Cripps on the LTI list and free up a MSD pick at minimum

Is there a cut off time?

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Chump Change]

History of number 1 picks … not a strong track record

Not true.

It's not a strong record if your metric is whether or not pick #1 is in fact the top pick. But go through all pick 2 or pick 3 and see if they are also the best pick remaining on the table. You'll get the same answer.

The metric is not as simple:

At whatever pick you have, how many players to choose from do you have, and what are the chances of that player being commensurate to your pick? i.e. If you have a top 5 pick, you want to land a superstar, whereas if you have a third round then you're over the moon at a 150 game best 15 role player.

So when you have #1, there's realistic only 3 or 4 players to consider. The chance of picking correctly are higher, and even if you don't get the best player, there's a good chance of getting an A grader.

if you go and get every draft from 2000 and put them into a spreadsheet and then highlight players into 3 bands (elite, a-grade, really good player), you will notice 2 distinct patterns:

1. The higher you go in the draft, the more the highlighted square are concentrated. This is pretty obvious given clubs rate high picks in the draft highly.

2. Over time, clubs have got better at drafting accurately. Most of the good players are still near the top, it's just that the rare gems picked in lower rounds are drying up. It's reducing. I would suggest this is because clubs now understand simple rules of thumb such as "don't draft outside mids in top 5", "don't draft the best KPDs until after pick 15", "don't draft rucks until after 20", "don't draft a KPF with a top 2 pick unless they are absolute elite" etc.

Go have a look at all the #1 picks of the last 20 years. Most are guns and the failures - they're all KPFs.

 

[Chump Change]

So re-sign Cripps but trade Ryan...

Who is saying resign Cripps?

Ryan has trade value. I don't think Cripps does. You can't trade out players with no value and keep the ones with value. That's how 10 year olds think.

 

[Chump Change]

Imagine trading Barrass and having a Rotham/Hedwards combo in the backline.

Hedwards and Rotham are WAFL players. I'd be looking at Bazzo and drafting in a KPD in the draft.

 

[Tugga27]

Hedwards and Rotham are WAFL players. I'd be looking at Bazzo and drafting in a KPD in the draft.

Jury still out on Hedwards for me.
Young and haven't seen enough of him.

Trading out our acting captain and current F&B to draft another KPD in the draft makes no sense to me.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Not true.

It's not a strong record if your metric is whether or not pick #1 is in fact the top pick. But go through all pick 2 or pick 3 and see if they are also the best pick remaining on the table. You'll get the same answer.

The metric is not as simple:

At whatever pick you have, how many players to choose from do you have, and what are the chances of that player being commensurate to your pick? i.e. If you have a top 5 pick, you want to land a superstar, whereas if you have a third round then you're over the moon at a 150 game best 15 role player.

So when you have #1, there's realistic only 3 or 4 players to consider. The chance of picking correctly are higher, and even if you don't get the best player, there's a good chance of getting an A grader.

if you go and get every draft from 2000 and put them into a spreadsheet and then highlight players into 3 bands (elite, a-grade, really good player), you will notice 2 distinct patterns:

1. The higher you go in the draft, the more the highlighted square are concentrated. This is pretty obvious given clubs rate high picks in the draft highly.

2. Over time, clubs have got better at drafting accurately. Most of the good players are still near the top, it's just that the rare gems picked in lower rounds are drying up. It's reducing. I would suggest this is because clubs now understand simple rules of thumb such as "don't draft outside mids in top 5", "don't draft the best KPDs until after pick 15", "don't draft rucks until after 20", "don't draft a KPF with a top 2 pick unless they are absolute elite" etc.

Go have a look at all the #1 picks of the last 20 years. Most are guns and the failures - they're all KPFs.

The point is that if you get offered 3 x top 10 picks for a number 1 pick (which could be a possibility this year) there is a higher probability you will end up with more elite players with more top end picks rather than a single pick.

 

[Godfather32]

The point is that if you get offered 3 x top 10 picks for a number 1 pick (which could be a possibility this year) there is a higher probability you will end up with more elite players with more top end picks rather than a single pick.

Who's offering 3 top 10 picks for pick 1 though? Very much doubt it's going to happen

 

[ziad]

Jury still out on Hedwards for me.
Young and haven't seen enough of him.

Trading out our acting captain and current F&B to draft another KPD in the draft makes no sense to me.

Would Barrass get a game with the Cats, Blues etc? Flakey third tall at best.

 

[briztoon]

Big no from me trading our future first . It could be pick 1 .

Happy to trade our future 2nd and some of our later picks this year and target suns 1st rounder this year .

Our future 2nd could be a top 20 pick so it should hold value for the suns wanting to accumulate future picks .

What if I told you the top mids are all small’ish and play for Oakleigh, plus Levi Ashcroft father son to Brisbane.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Who's offering 3 top 10 picks for pick 1 though? Very much doubt it's going to happen

I doubt anyone’s giving up Harley Reid for much less.

 

[Monocle]

What if I told you the top mids are all small’ish and play for Oakleigh, plus Levi Ashcroft father son to Brisbane.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you told me that.

Every third post that you post on the West Coast board has a mention of, or a reference to, something thats directly or indirectly related to Brisbane.

 

[Godfather32]

I doubt anyone’s giving up Harley Reid for much less.

Unless the rest of the top 10 look like being numpties it's not going to happen, that would be a crazy trade for a team to do