List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Rowan18]

Crows and Swans haven’t had a great hit rate either with first round picks….. well pretty poor really for both.

Yeah, Crows drafting has been very average considering they've been rebuilding since 2018. Their trades have been excellent though.

 

[Monocle]

Crows and Swans haven’t had a great hit rate either with first round picks….. well pretty poor really for both.

Sydney do very well at identifying specific role players, that are either second stringers at opposition Clubs and trading them in on the cheap, or taking top tier players that they pay fair trade value for, that fills a specific need.

They seem to be well on top of assessing skill/role gaps on their list and then specifically targeting players to trade in to fill that void.

Drafting in raw young kids is a much darker and less accurate science, by comparison with calculating what your list shortfalls are, then trading for a "known quantity" on another list to address said shortfall.

 

[Monocle]

Yeah, Crows drafting has been very average considering they've been rebuilding since 2018. Their trades have been excellent though.

Indeed .... know what you need, identify it and then trade hard for it.

 

[JackOutback]

Do we know if BOND is impacted?

I believe he is shaken….















… but not stirred.

 

[Grahame]

Sydney do very well at identifying specific role players, that are either second stringers at opposition Clubs and trading them in on the cheap, or taking top tier players that they pay fair trade value for, that fills a specific need.

They seem to be well on top of assessing skill/role gaps on their list and then specifically targeting players to trade in to fill that void.

Drafting in raw young kids is a much darker and less accurate science, by comparison with calculating what your list shortfalls are, then trading for a "known quantity" on another list to address said shortfall.

Like Geelong??

 

[ArdentEagle]

Sydney do very well at identifying specific role players, that are either second stringers at opposition Clubs and trading them in on the cheap, or taking top tier players that they pay fair trade value for, that fills a specific need.

They seem to be well on top of assessing skill/role gaps on their list and then specifically targeting players to trade in to fill that void.

Drafting in raw young kids is a much darker and less accurate science, by comparison with calculating what your list shortfalls are, then trading for a "known quantity" on another list to address said shortfall.

This is why analytics is not the be all...I'm a strong believer in being a very useful aid but a great scout and recruiter is worth their weight in Gold.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

a great scout and recruiter is worth their weight in Gold.

This is why we fed them with pies...

 

[WCE_phil]

So basically it comes down to this.

My role becomes in house.
The club gets a specific persion for negotations instead of Clarke.

It's almost like what everyone wants.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Yeah, Crows drafting has been very average considering they've been rebuilding since 2018. Their trades have been excellent though.

I’d say analytics for junior sport probably isn’t the best. If they came through and drafted at say 20-21 playing state league I think it would be more impactful.

Anyone able to go deeper into what data they do look at? Is it GPS running patterns? You hear the champion data pro set has more than what’s available online, but what exactly is it?

 

[bzparkes]

I’d say analytics for junior sport probably isn’t the best. If they came through and drafted at say 20-21 playing state league I think it would be more impactful.

Anyone able to go deeper into what data they do look at? Is it GPS running patterns? You hear the champion data pro set has more than what’s available online, but what exactly is it?

It's probably a good way to break up a recruiter's infatuation with certain players that they inevitably develop, as well as assist in ranking their overall draft board

Data and analytics are unlikely to be major determining factor in how juniors are ranked but it'll significantly help in identifying strengths and weaknesses,as well as cutting through bias for certain players

 

[WCE_phil]

It's probably a good way to break up a recruiter's infatuation with certain players that they inevitably develop, as well as assist in ranking their overall draft board

Data and analytics are unlikely to be major determining factor in how juniors are ranked but it'll significantly help in identifying strengths and weaknesses,as well as cutting through bias for certain players

It is useful in drafting but it's significantly more useful in identifying trade targets who are potentially undervalued that you have a specific role for.

 

[ghostbat12]

It may be a scenario that you've come up with, but to further the comment from WCE_phil, it actually lines up fairly well with things I have heard.

D.Pyke coming in from experiences at Adelaide and Sydney where recruiting analytics have been focussed upon heavily for many years now, only to see the Eagles haven't moved in the decade since he was last around the club.

Decides that things need to change and brings J.Worsfold in to be the hammer to knock things into shape.

Redundancies suck. Especially when it involves those entrenched who believe they are the ducks nuts.

Or maybe not. Because rest feel like they can breathe and have an opinion.

 

[Mattman93]

I’d say analytics for junior sport probably isn’t the best. If they came through and drafted at say 20-21 playing state league I think it would be more impactful.

Anyone able to go deeper into what data they do look at? Is it GPS running patterns? You hear the champion data pro set has more than what’s available online, but what exactly is it?

This gives a taste of the kinds of methods that might be used.

 

[WCE_phil]

Just in regards to data analytics and drafting it's more about spotting trends and trajectory. Where it fails is in areas like footy IQ, instinct and datasets relating to juniors because the respective competitions the juniors play in vary significantly in strength year to year. Whilst i've run algorithms on it, it doesn't take into account physical development or age.

It's why although Allan was 8 on the clubs board I wasn't happy with the pick. He's one of the most physically developed, oldest players in his draft group and he hasn't shown the ability to consistently win the ball as a mid. He is a great mark, he is clean off the ground, has a long and direct (not super accurate) peg on him and is super athletic. He reads the midfield play better than Ginbey in my mind but not close to the level of even the top mid draftees this year let alone at AFL level.

The club needs him to make it as a mid in my mind otherwise it's a bit of a waste of a first round pick. With Ginbey, Hough already in the next generation down there and none of them being elite kicks we really need a small defender who is an elite kick. Maric can play third tall and is a very, very good kick. I wouldn't say elite but just he's close. I firmly believe you still need to have at least 1 truly elite kick from defence, one from the midfield and one from HF. As it stands now we don't have any of them.

Hewett's kicking was spectacular before his foot injuries so he's a maybe but his decision making at speed by foot needs work. So lets hope for the best there.

Harvey Johnston is a very good kick but not elite.

Long prior to the knee injury was a very good kick who was elite at spotting up and delivering to the right target. He doesn't have the depth or penetration to break lines with his kicking though.

Ryan is an elite field kick but won't be around for the next push.

Harley is a very good kick particularly when he has space but I wouldn't say he's elite.

Dewar still needs a couple of years away but if he makes it for me he's the best kick on the list.

 

[briztoon]

I’d say analytics for junior sport probably isn’t the best. If they came through and drafted at say 20-21 playing state league I think it would be more impactful.

Anyone able to go deeper into what data they do look at? Is it GPS running patterns? You hear the champion data pro set has more than what’s available online, but what exactly is it?

Some clubs have their own analytics guy/s who build their own data analysis platforms that use a lot of Champion Data’s raw data to identify their own trade targets.

Adelaide had this when David Noble ran the show, and he brought him to Brisbane when we poached Noble.

Clubs won’t divulge what they use or look at, but there are a number of ex AFL employees on twitter who post analytical analysis about games and what they are dentifying, but that’s senior level and not VFL or U18’s.

 

[eaglevision]

The club needs him to make it as a mid in my mind otherwise it's a bit of a waste of a first round pick. With Ginbey, Hough already in the next generation down there and none of them being elite kicks we really need a small defender who is an elite kick. Maric can play third tall and is a very, very good kick. I wouldn't say elite but just he's close. I firmly believe you still need to have at least 1 truly elite kick from defence, one from the midfield and one from HF. As it stands now we don't have any of them.

I agree Phil, was a trade down with GWS discussed at all with a view to take Harrison Oliver for this exact reason and a tall? Say 15 and F2 for 18 and 24? Would have left us being able to take any of the best KPDs with our 2R. Kane Farrell would be the best available this year in terms of trade and FA.

 

[WCE_phil]

I agree Phil, was a trade down with GWS discussed at all with a view to take Harrison Oliver for this exact reason and a tall? Say 15 and F2 for 18 and 24? Would have left us being able to take any of the best KPDs with our 2R. Kane Farrell would be the best available this year in terms of trade and FA.

GWS were very set on their first two picks, it wasn't happening. Earlier on they were turning down Hawks F1, they even turned down this years second + future second for Angove who surely would have lasted.

 

[Mattman93]

It's why although Allan was 8 on the clubs board I wasn't happy with the pick. He's one of the most physically developed, oldest players in his draft group and he hasn't shown the ability to consistently win the ball as a mid. He is a great mark, he is clean off the ground, has a long and direct (not super accurate) peg on him and is super athletic. He reads the midfield play better than Ginbey in my mind but not close to the level of even the top mid draftees this year let alone at AFL level.

The club needs him to make it as a mid in my mind otherwise it's a bit of a waste of a first round pick. With Ginbey, Hough already in the next generation down there and none of them being elite kicks we really need a small defender who is an elite kick. Maric can play third tall and is a very, very good kick. I wouldn't say elite but just he's close. I firmly believe you still need to have at least 1 truly elite kick from defence, one from the midfield and one from HF. As it stands now we don't have any of them.

Exactly how I feel about the Allan pick. I can see why the comparisons to Ginbey might seem reductive but in terms of overall strengths/weaknesses and likely projected role we've made a very similar move.

Speaking of GWS, where did we have Hannaford?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If available, Allen was always going to be an Eagle. HBF with midfield potential? Absolutely no ****ing doubt he'd be in the blue and gold.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Murphy Reid seemed like the perfect pick as a pure mid, but perhaps we were spooked by his potential reluctance to leave Victoria. Either that or we simply just rated Bo higher.

 

[bzparkes]

Murphy Reid seemed like the perfect pick as a pure mid, but perhaps we were spooked by his potential reluctance to leave Victoria. Either that or we simply just rated Bo higher.

Gameplan related, I'd imagine.

All the blokes are big, fast and strong, can tackle and are good at winning ground ball.

Not saying Reid wouldn't have been a good pick but with the players we've targeted, it appears there's a specific type in mind and he wasn't it.

 

[Rowan18]

Gameplan related, I'd imagine.

All the blokes are big, fast and strong, can tackle and are good at winning ground ball.

Not saying Reid wouldn't have been a good pick but with the players we've targeted, it appears there's a specific type in mind and he wasn't it.

Yeah, it sounds like we're not aiming for precision kicking, just brute forcing territory through strength and speed.

 

[MaxHunt]

Yeah, it sounds like we're not aiming for precision kicking, just brute forcing territory through strength and speed.

Think you nailed it. But I'll be honest I disliked the rugby style of the Tigers as a neutral. I guess though if the team starts winning again it won't matter that much.

 

[Elite Pete]

Sydney do very well at identifying specific role players, that are either second stringers at opposition Clubs and trading them in on the cheap, or taking top tier players that they pay fair trade value for, that fills a specific need.

They seem to be well on top of assessing skill/role gaps on their list and then specifically targeting players to trade in to fill that void.

Drafting in raw young kids is a much darker and less accurate science, by comparison with calculating what your list shortfalls are, then trading for a "known quantity" on another list to address said shortfall.

2020-2024 trade ins (and some out)

Grundy was pretty known.

Taylor Adams a fail so far?

Aaron Francis fail.

Hamling fail.

James Jordan a pass but was an ok player and ‘premiership play’ at his old club.

Ladhams fail

(traded out Dawson and Hewett)
Fail

Traded out Alir for Hickey fail.

I just don’t see it.

Academy along with nice late picks and development has saved them imo.

 

[eaglevision]

It’s very clear we’ve drafted to move the ball forwards, win the contest and ground ball then follow this up with defensive pressure.

My concern is who is going to be delivering the ball into the F50 to the advantage of our tall forwards? All well and good to have a particular game style but we also need to play to our strengths which is our tall forwards and will continue to be for some time having just drafted Archer and Shanahan.