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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[eaglevision]

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Dewar isn't in our Round 1 side. Finished last year well and we're a side in transition. The exact type of player whose development should be prioritised.

Long has to prove his fitness in the 2s, fair enough there.

I agree with with what you’re saying on prioritisation and if it’s line ball between say him and Owies or Cripps then play the youth. But we have to put our best 22 on the park and ATM I don’t have Dewar in in.

Essendon, Brisbane and the Bulldogs dont have the same sort of mids we do/will have. They are far less aggressive or quick with the ball than what we project to be. They need the elite ball use because they dont have the capacity to burst from stoppage like we will have, outside Brisbane with the occasions they put Rayner in the middle.

Ill agree with Port with Houston and Farrell, but they also have worse forwards who need the better delivery.

Teams are different, completely different squads means different playstyles. No club in the comp has as many big bodied, athletic mids as we have. No club has ever really been close either.

I can see the angle you’re taking but to win games of football you still need blokes that can kick and kick well. We’re not going to go very far if we turnover balls we’ve won at the coal face or even out of defence if we kick it to the opposition.

I disagree on Allan. In the situation I described he's a good kick. He struggles with short chip kicks, he's actually quite good on long kicks, especially when on the run.

Don't worry, once you've been around these parts for a while you'll quickly learn there's quite a few things that become talked about as fact by alot of posters that's aren't exactly the truth

The "Allan cant kick" one has already taken hold failry quickly despite all draft profiles seem to say quite the opposite

He struggles with kicking full stop and I say that after watching him live number it’s times and also a lot of footage. The limited stats available for the U18s also seem to back that up. He’s got a lot of elite attributes but his kicking is average at absolute best.

 

[TheBudgies]

Owies is probably the most likely of our small forwards to get a game in round 1. Forgetting any sorts of credits, hes in his prime, is the most prolific goal kicker of our small forwards in recent years, and we know hes a professional who will work/train hard(thats why we got him).
He would be comfortably in our best 22, hes likely the first choice of our small forwards right now. Ryan doesnt train well, Cripps is older, and the rest are kids.

I know people like to talk him down because Carlton were shopping him around, and we got him cheap, but hes still a decent player

I like Owies but I think he's got to be based closer to goals not adding as much up the field. Which is where I was suggesting Dewar would be adding value. Maybe it's Cripps Vs Dewar Vs Long for 2 spots in the 23.

 

[boondy]

Next year I can't imagine us not getting a midfielder . Might even be Warner .

 

[boondy]

I like Owies but I think he's got to be based closer to goals not adding as much up the field. Which is where I was suggesting Dewar would be adding value. Maybe it's Cripps Vs Dewar Vs Long for 2 spots in the 23.

He can't kick over a jam tin . Which is staggering because if he could he would have kicked a lot more goals .

 

[FKASC]

We Don’t need elite kicks inside fifty if we can move the ball fast and get the ball into an open forward line.

If we play our old slow style then you rely on elite kicks more often to hit your forwards in a contested crowded forward line

We don’t want a bunch of guys that kick flower bags, but decent kicks with penetration has always proved a winner if you move it fast.

This is exactly what I was about to post. We don’t need our mids to be Jettas. No team’s on ballers are all elite kicks

 

[eaglevision]

Next year I can't imagine us not getting a midfielder . Might even be Warner .

You’d hope so. Our 1R I’d love Rodriguez but almost certainly has Warner’s name on it. Based on this year’s drafting Greeves and Onley would be spoken about. Hawthorn’s F1 I’m expecting to be about the mark for Cody Curtin, can’t see us passing on him with a mid 1R if his development stays the course.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

He can't kick over a jam tin . Which is staggering because if he could he would have kicked a lot more goals .

That sounds worrying. He's not as bad as Zac Langdon is he? Seems like he's range is about 40m which is probably better than Langdon.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

It’s very clear we’ve drafted to move the ball forwards, win the contest and ground ball then follow this up with defensive pressure.

My concern is who is going to be delivering the ball into the F50 to the advantage of our tall forwards? All well and good to have a particular game style but we also need to play to our strengths which is our tall forwards and will continue to be for some time having just drafted Archer and Shanahan.

You're making it out like nobody on our list can kick at all.

I think we'll be fine.

 

[eaglevision]

You're making it out like nobody on our list can kick at all.

I think we'll be fine.

Not at all, but we certainly aren’t an elite kicking team particularly in an era when turnover differential is crucial.

The stat that has produced 17 of the last 18 premiers and the three teams leading the way in 2024

It is based on the points differential from turnover.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Obeanie1]

Crows and Swans haven’t had a great hit rate either with first round picks….. well pretty poor really for both.

What about later picks.

Its nailing those later selections that makes a draft.

Just look at Geelong.

 

[bzparkes]

That sounds worrying. He's not as bad as Zac Langdon is he? Seems like he's range is about 40m which is probably better than Langdon.

Owies kicked more goals this year than Langdon kicked in his entire career.

Not really comparable, tbh.

 

[Obeanie1]

So basically it comes down to this.

My role becomes in house.
The club gets a specific persion for negotations instead of Clarke.

It's almost like what everyone wants.

Eagles unveil there new offical trade negotiator.

Rare footage from behind closed door during trade week.

 

[bzparkes]

Not at all, but we certainly aren’t an elite kicking team particularly in an era when turnover differential is crucial.

The stat that has produced 17 of the last 18 premiers and the three teams leading the way in 2024

It is based on the points differential from turnover.

www.sen.com.au

That article's all well and good but doesn't go into how those turnovers are created.

I'd say McQualter's acutely aware of this statistic, as he's mentioned it numerous times that the focus of the gameplan will be creating turnovers in the back half and attacking from there.

You don't need to be an elite kick to pick apart defences when they turn the ball over, you simply need to be faster to react and get into a better position for your teammates to get the ball to you.

Being an elite kick obviously helps, but I think people way overestimate how important elite kicking can be, especially when your gameplan is more about creating those turnovers and getting a fast break the other way on the opposition. In that case, you simply need to put the ball into space and ensure your players are first to the ball to move it forward.

Certainly having players who can properly hit up forwards when kicking inside 50 is very important though. That's where it'll pay to have your best kicking players with the ball, IMO.

 

[eaglevision]

That article's all well and good but doesn't go into how those turnovers are created.

I'd say McQualter's acutely aware of this statistic, as he's mentioned it numerous times that the focus of the gameplan will be creating turnovers in the back half and attacking from there.

You don't need to be an elite kick to pick apart defences when they turn the ball over, you simply need to be faster to react and get into a better position for your teammates to get the ball to you.

Being an elite kick obviously helps, but I think people way overestimate how important elite kicking can be, especially when your gameplan is more about creating those turnovers and getting a fast break the other way on the opposition. In that case, you simply need to put the ball into space and ensure your players are first to the ball to move it forward.

Certainly having players who can properly hit up forwards when kicking inside 50 is very important though. That's where it'll pay to have your best kicking players with the ball, IMO.

All good points, the issue is there’s no one in our team that opposition defences would be concerned about hitting pin point passes at speed going inside 50. That means defenders can zone off their man and guard the space which is exactly what we want to create for our tall forwards. That’s what I want to avoid.

 

[bzparkes]

All good points, the issue is there’s no one in our team that opposition defences would be concerned about hitting pin point passes at speed going inside 50. That means defenders can zone off their man and guard the space which is exactly what we want to create for our tall forwards. That’s what I want to avoid.

That only happens with slow entries though, which we've unfortunately been all too familiar with these past few years.

If you get a fast break, defenders all get caught out of position and you can usually get a spare man inside 50.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Yeo and Harley can kick 65m drop punts when they time it well. (As can Gov)
I've not seen BA play live but he looks like this could be in his repertoire as well.

Plenty of line breaking options when the pressure is on.

I'm with Carbine Chaos - Dewar is a must for mine. Great skill on the outside, he can put pressure on the inside and can create bits of magic.

It's such a shame Ryan can't get himself fitter. I'd love him playing the Shai Bolton role (or at least being a roving outside receiver to use that beautiful/creative field kick he has

 

[stallon]

I can see the angle you’re taking but to win games of football you still need blokes that can kick and kick well. We’re not going to go very far if we turnover balls we’ve won at the coal face or even out of defence if we kick it to the opposition.

As phil described in one of his posts, we have a few "very good" kicks. If we had Maric, Rodriguez and Johnston/another winger with a "very good" kick then just the rest of the squad made up of players currently on the list + Warner(maybe), I dont think thats a bad spot to be in.
I know what youre getting at but just because we dont have "elite" kicks doesnt mean the squad is trash at kicking.

Those 50/50 kicks arent so bad if your mids are good enough to win more contests than they lose

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeo and Harley can kick 65m drop punts when they time it well. (As can Gov)
I've not seen BA play live but he looks like this could be in his repertoire as well.

Plenty of line breaking options when the pressure is on.

I'm with Carbine Chaos - Dewar is a must for mine. Great skill on the outside, he can put pressure on the inside and can create bits of magic.

It's such a shame Ryan can't get himself fitter. I'd love him playing the Shai Bolton role (or at least being a roving outside receiver to use that beautiful/creative field kick he has

On Ryan and not ever likely to be fully fit again as a forward I would like him as the small offensive defender from the back half. He's not going to get outmarked and his field kicking is elite. Also much more likely to stay involved in the play with it coming at him. Owies, Cripps from pockets with Dewar and Hewett from the HFF. Long to get his fitness up to push hard to break into the side.

 

[Matera92]

If I move back to Perth at some stage TBH Bicton would likely be where I buy. Either that or north of the river maybe Sorrento or Ocean Reef.

As someone who spent most of his teens and early 20s living there, it's such an underrated area.

We were a 5mim walk from Bicton Baths, awesome location.

 

[WCE_phil]

As phil described in one of his posts, we have a few "very good" kicks. If we had Maric, Rodriguez and Johnston/another winger with a "very good" kick then just the rest of the squad made up of players currently on the list + Warner(maybe), I dont think thats a bad spot to be in.
I know what youre getting at but just because we dont have "elite" kicks doesnt mean the squad is trash at kicking.

Those 50/50 kicks arent so bad if your mids are good enough to win more contests than they lose

Just on players with average kicks you can get away with it if you can break lines whether that is through pace or a combination of pace and a long penetrating kick.

Where you need an elite kick is against pressing sides when you're trapped in your defensive 50/60 metres and have a guy who can laser a 30-40m kick at a 45m angle to open up the game.

I do believe elite kicks are overrated however I'm firmly in the belief that you need 1 elite kick from your defensive 50, 1 from the midfield and one from the forward half. You can't run, carry and kick to break the lines every time and if your team becomes known for it you'll just end up with the opposition sitting a Tom Stewart/Sicily type 20-30 metres behind everyone else cleaning up those long kicks.

Yes fast break turnovers are a huge score source but if you only build from that perspective with average skills you're going to find the ball turned back over and going back over your players heads quicker than you were moving it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

On Ryan and not ever likely to be fully fit again as a forward I would like him as the small offensive defender from the back half. He's not going to get outmarked and his field kicking is elite. Also much more likely to stay involved in the play with it coming at him. Owies, Cripps from pockets with Dewar and Hewett from the HFF. Long to get his fitness up to push hard to break into the side.

This was exactly what I started advocating for a few years ago...99% of people around here shot me down.
100% love him ibn this role.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Owies is probably the most likely of our small forwards to get a game in round 1. Forgetting any sorts of credits, hes in his prime, is the most prolific goal kicker of our small forwards in recent years, and we know hes a professional who will work/train hard(thats why we got him).
He would be comfortably in our best 22, hes likely the first choice of our small forwards right now. Ryan doesnt train well, Cripps is older, and the rest are kids.

I know people like to talk him down because Carlton were shopping him around, and we got him cheap, but hes still a decent player

Owies will be given first crack and an extended one at that. I just don’t see in any world that Owies was traded in for depth.

Same goes for anyone doing b22 with Graham as depth.

All three recruits, barring injury, will play every game.

 

[squashface]

Having to watch Owies spud it up in the seniors while Dewar plays WAFL is a grim thought but also likely the reality.

 

[Shueygod]

Who are Brisbanes elite kicks?

Who were Geelongs in 2022?

Melbournes in 2021?

The importance is being greatly overstated.

 

[Obeanie1]

Who are Brisbanes elite kicks?

Who were Geelongs in 2022?

Melbournes in 2021?

The importance is being greatly overstated.

And when the heat is on in finals players dont have time.

Its a combative contested game finals. Elite skills and finesse can only take you so far.