List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Shame about Burgiel, he was quite a talented player and started well in the WAFL. Injuries cruelly him.

Like you, I loved the pick but it was not just injuries, his attitude looked wrong. Maybe it was too long in rehab but he never showed the hunger (which I now call the Grego approach)

 

[Grahame]

Most of the time players develop better in a good AFL environment over a poor one. If Chesser was at the Swans, he'd likely have had much better development.

Agree. If Chesser had gone to a club having more success and didn't have a poor start with injuries ...

Similarly, I wonder if BWill had started out at a club full of ruckman whether he'd have been more successful ... maybe his development has been stuffed due to doing a bit of this, a bit of that at a club doing poorly ...

What ifs, eh?

 

[eaglesnutcase]

You haven’t watched him play have you? Williams isn’t a forward so he couldn’t even think to be a second ruck… as for Flynn being slow hand to boot, no one in the league gets his kicks smothered more than Williams …. Would be lucky for a third rounder for him

And pray tell ; when has BW ever been given a decent run as a forward?
He trained as a forward season gone and ended up being a No1 ruck …again!
So yes I’ve seen every game he’s played in AFL.
Much as I rate JW how do you think he would have gone if he’s pulled out and told “sorry mate your not a forward your now a No1 ruck”. And please no nonsense about him doing a better job than BW.
If BW to Collingwood I could see him being a star!
He’s certainly not the greatest ruckman around but he wasn’t hired as a ruckman.As was he was operating with a pretty poor support cast.
Used properly I could see a lot of teams rubbing their hands together picking him up as a third rounder.

 

[Keys]

Guys, whilst I think it's unlikely Burgiel will be re-signed, many of you are confusing his SSP train on period finishing with WCE actually not signing him.

SSPs can only train for a certain period and they have one more player to trial after the break. Brock's period will probably also end soon and we'll have another player we don't know yet to train on.

Fair point

“No decision about the available SSP position has been made at this time.”

Saying no decision has been made could be taken to mean, Burgiel remains a possibility. Given he’s been at the club for 2 years they probably know enough about him to base a decision on. At least they should

By comparison, Brock has only been training at the club for 3 weeks or so and most of the work has been skills based. Very little contested work from which to judge his defensive abilities, something that will increase early in the new year

It also gives us an opportunity to look at another option before filling the last spot

How's Brock's defensive work? Most comments I've read seem to focus more on his neat disposal, which isn't really a huge priority with a KPD.

I sort of answered this in the reply above, but there’s been very little work done in line groups and even less in a contested situation

So there’s not much of a sample size from which to judge his defensive work. Did match up against Archer Reid in the bit of match sim work they did yesterday and had his hands full - did a couple of nice things but points I’d give to Reid

There was one play where he backed himself to push up the ground higher which backfired but could hear one of the coaches tell him that he had the right idea even though it didn’t work out. The discussion went on but was out of earshot

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

And pray tell ; when has BW ever been given a decent run as a forward?
He trained as a forward season gone and ended up being a No1 ruck …again!
So yes I’ve seen every game he’s played in AFL.
Much as I rate JW how do you think he would have gone if he’s pulled out and told “sorry mate your not a forward your now a No1 ruck”. And please no nonsense about him doing a better job than BW.
If BW to Collingwood I could see him being a star!
He’s certainly not the greatest ruckman around but he wasn’t hired as a ruckman.As was he was operating with a pretty poor support cast.
Used properly I could see a lot of teams rubbing their hands together picking him up go a third rounder.

I have more hope BW turns out to be a serviceable ruck than a forward.

BW has terrible awareness i50, doesn't lead to the right areas and terrible set shot on goals . He plays as a ruck resting forward and tries to take big marks deep .

Jack Williams on the other hand has all the forward 50 IQ needed . He works very hard on the lead , works hard clearing space for others, crashes packs , brings the ball to ground when required and is a superb shot on goal .

I feel bailey would be better off as a drifting back ruckman who stands in the hole

 

[Goomba1973]

can't really force the trade. If we match, he can just accept it (which we don't really want!) or reject it and go to the PSD. It really gets down to how much the other club really wants him and how hardball they want get.

I think there are at least 2 suitors , Brisbane and Sydney will both been keen on a big forward. Although we cannot force a trade , I think Oscar will know, given his injury history and a new coach not loyal to him that he will be a longer term deal from either of them than he will get from WC.

 

[mattyc75]

Chesser ends up a HBF or playing on the inside, I can’t see a different role for him with such a poor footy IQ even though his physical attributes suit an outside runner role.

Yep, that's why i suggested there's no point lumping him in with outside mids

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[eaglesnutcase]

I have more hope BW turns out to be a serviceable ruck than a forward.

BW has terrible awareness i50, doesn't lead to the right areas and terrible set shot on goals . He plays as a ruck resting forward and tries to take big marks deep .

Jack Williams on the other hand has all the forward 50 IQ needed . He works very hard on the lead , works hard clearing space for others, crashes packs , brings the ball to ground when required and is a superb shot on goal .

I feel bailey would be better off as a drifting back ruckman who stands in the hole

Agree. JW is going to be very good. It’s a shame for BW that we are loaded with ruck/forwards but no genuine rucks.It’s kinda odd that he’s not being countenanced as a B22 lock in the shittiest side of the last few years yet as I said he could go to another side and be a gun!

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Agree. JW is going to be very good. It’s a shame for BW that we are loaded with ruck/forwards but no genuine rucks.It’s kinda odd that he’s not being countenanced as a B22 lock in the shittiest side of the last few years yet as I said he could go to another side and be a gun!

BW is better than Flynn.

He is our first choice ruck and only really coming into his prime as a ruck . Mostly rucks are at their best between 27 - 31 .

Bailey is still 24 .

Look at Scott lycett . He only hit his straps at 26 and was only a top 20 ruck for 3 or 4 years .

Bailey needs to add value to his game by having a more ground ball presence around stoppages winning more clearances from ground ball gets at the contest . Also make himself a genuine marking option down the line .

 

[WCE777]

Yep, that's why i suggested there's no point lumping him in with outside mids

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point taken.
What I have also said on other posts is WC need another 2 decent medium sized mids who are accumulators and are good kicks.
What I have also mentioned is Chesser is probably next in line for a delist/trade/retire if he doesn't have a strong year, after Jamieson, Petch, Cripps, Sheed, Rawlinson, Livingstone imo.

 

[eaglevision]

That was my thinking but could he be a lock down small defender. Does not need to win the ball, only needs to be able to stop the likes of Pickett, Schultz, Kako, etc.

I thought hbf and would like to see him play behind the ball but his inability to read play means he looks lost as a wingman and so far he has not yet shown it as an inside mid at WAFL

As a R1 pick he is a bust but we might be able to salvage something

Definitely worth consideration, I just worry with two of those names you’ve mentioned how being a poor read of the game and anticipation would allow them off the leash and space. If he could settle a little further up the ground as a run and carry HBF it would be ideal but I’d take any position that would get him into the best 22 on merit rather than the draft pick. To date the pick was poor in hindsight so as you say we may need to think outside the box a little.

 

[KERRPOW]

BW is better than Flynn.

He is our first choice ruck and only really coming into his prime as a ruck . Mostly rucks are at their best between 27 - 31 .

Bailey is still 24 .

Look at Scott lycett . He only hit his straps at 26 and was only a top 20 ruck for 3 or 4 years .

Bailey needs to add value to his game by having a more ground ball presence around stoppages winning more clearances from ground ball gets at the contest . Also make himself a genuine marking option down the line .

If BW can resemble dean cox around the ground that would be a good win

 

[RanaNaved]

I still remember the WC match vs Claremont in a muddy swimming pool and how clean Burgiel was compared to almost everyone else. That, plus his body, are going to be the reasons he won't make a living playing footy

 

[mattyc75]

point taken.
What I have also said on other posts is WC need another 2 decent medium sized mids who are accumulators and are good kicks.
What I have also mentioned is Chesser is probably next in line for a delist/trade/retire if he doesn't have a strong year, after Jamieson, Petch, Cripps, Sheed, Rawlinson, Livingstone imo.

Yeah hopefully hall can play more inside next season
We should be able to really target the type of players we want next draft and/or pick up the chad
Chesser is definitely getting very close to the delist pile after next season unless he shows some sort of ball winning ability regardless of where he's played

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[Godfather32]

If BW can resemble dean cox around the ground that would be a good win

If I win powerball that would be a good win

 

[Avalor]

point taken.
What I have also said on other posts is WC need another 2 decent medium sized mids who are accumulators and are good kicks.
What I have also mentioned is Chesser is probably next in line for a delist/trade/retire if he doesn't have a strong year, after Jamieson, Petch, Cripps, Sheed, Rawlinson, Livingstone imo.

Rawlinson may be a surprise packet in '25. From training reports, he is travelling very well, training with the backs I believe.

well, I think training.

What I have also said on other posts is WC need another 2 decent medium sized mids who are accumulators and are good kicks.
What I have also mentioned is Chesser is probably next in line for a delist/trade/retire if he doesn't have a strong year, after Jamieson, Petch, Cripps, Sheed, Rawlinson, Livingstone imo.

point taken.
What I have also said on other posts is WC need another 2 decent medium sized mids who are accumulators and are good kicks.
What I have also mentioned is Chesser is probably next in line for a delist/trade/retire if he doesn't have a strong year, after Jamieson, Petch, Cripps, Sheed, Rawlinson, Livingstone imo.

Rawlinson may be a surprise packet in '25. From training reports, he is travelling very well, I think training he is training with the backs. He could develop into a good back pocket.

 

[KERRPOW]

If BW can resemble dean cox around the ground that would be a good win

 

[WCE777]

Rawlinson may be a surprise packet in '25. From training reports, he is travelling very well, I think training he is training with the backs. He could develop into a good back pocket.

hopefully he does, not writing him off but he so far hasn't shown enough.

 

[Keys]

Rawlinson may be a surprise packet in '25. From training reports, he is travelling very well, I think training he is training with the backs. He could develop into a good back pocket.

Rawlinson has indeed been training quite well, however unless I’ve missed something, he’s still been with the forwards

 

[WCE777]

Yeah hopefully hall can play more inside next season
We should be able to really target the type of players we want next draft and/or pick up the chad
Chesser is definitely getting very close to the delist pile after next season unless he shows some sort of ball winning ability regardless of where he's played

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agree with Hall.
Players that might look like new recruits and add a fair bit in 2025 returning from injury Hewett, Bazzo, Long.
Players progressing in their development would be Hall, Johnstone, Hutch, Maric, J Williams.
Looking for a lift and, or positional change Barnett, Brockman, Chesser, Flynn.
Add that to our great draft picks and by all reports B Allan, Davis, Shanahan, Grego will be pushing other players for their spots in 2025.

 

[WCE777]

Yeah hopefully hall can play more inside next season
We should be able to really target the type of players we want next draft and/or pick up the chad
Chesser is definitely getting very close to the delist pile after next season unless he shows some sort of ball winning ability regardless of where he's played

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and WC target the Chad, but also list needs like KDEF and classy ball winning mids with high footy IQ and ball use to compliment the bigger body mids we have.
With a FS and at least 2 NGA players looking like being decent players we will be full of young talent after that.
26/27 will be about filing up on list needs thru smaller numbers at the draft and acquiring FA and OOC players to improve our list imo.

 

[Bender_]

Perhaps Graham showing a bit of leadership and naming a kid who's lacking some form and under pressure? Give Rawlinson a bit of confidence around the club and on the track.

 

[Goroyals22]

And pray tell ; when has BW ever been given a decent run as a forward?
He trained as a forward season gone and ended up being a No1 ruck …again!
So yes I’ve seen every game he’s played in AFL.
Much as I rate JW how do you think he would have gone if he’s pulled out and told “sorry mate your not a forward your now a No1 ruck”. And please no nonsense about him doing a better job than BW.
If BW to Collingwood I could see him being a star!
He’s certainly not the greatest ruckman around but he wasn’t hired as a ruckman.As was he was operating with a pretty poor support cast.
Used properly I could see a lot of teams rubbing their hands together picking him up as a third rounder.

Actually I think Jwilloams is already a better ruckman than bwilliams.. go and have look at the suns v eagles game early in the season when Witt’s pulled bwilliams pants down… we became more competitive in the ruck when jwilliams at least played infront at the throw ins to force some sort of competition .


As for him going to Collingwood and being a star good luck. He isn’t as good a ruck as Darcy Cameron, and isn’t a better forward than mcstay, Miocheck or even that turd cox.

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[eaglesnutcase]

Actually I think Jwilloams is already a better ruckman than bwilliams.. go and have look at the suns v eagles game early in the season when Witt’s pulled bwilliams pants down… we became more competitive in the ruck when jwilliams at least played infront at the throw ins to force some sort of competition .


As for him going to Collingwood and being a star good luck. He isn’t as good a ruck as Darcy Cameron, and isn’t a better forward than mcstay, Miocheck or even that turd cox.

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JW is certainly a better ruck body wise around the ground but he doesn’t have BW leap.
Miochek is finished and Mcstay ( when he’s on the park ) is average. Cox just has sheer size but can’t kick more than 40m.

 

[chaddy22]

Actually I think Jwilloams is already a better ruckman than bwilliams.. go and have look at the suns v eagles game early in the season when Witt’s pulled bwilliams pants down… we became more competitive in the ruck when jwilliams at least played infront at the throw ins to force some sort of competition .


As for him going to Collingwood and being a star good luck. He isn’t as good a ruck as Darcy Cameron, and isn’t a better forward than mcstay, Miocheck or even that turd cox.

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I remember that Suns game and thought the same. At least Jwilliams was more competitive.
Bwilliams imo will only be a second string ruckman. Unless he can become a forward ruck his future is bleak.
He is also a terrible shot at goal which doesn't fill me with confidence.
If Flynn fires and takes the number one ruck spot i can't see Bwilliams getting a game in front of Jwilliams.