List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[eaglevision]

So who out of Oscar, Jake or J Williams gets the boot so these unproven kids can play forward?

I think there will be enough injury issues from that triumvirate for Archer to debut this year without resting them and same for Shanahan next year.

 

[eaglevision]

And young mids normally develop on a flank in early years. Very very few can walk into a centre square rotation.

Yes but not with the intention of them playing as a flanker long term.

 

[Keys]

Archer Reid is next in line to play if either Waterman or Allen are unavailable. Or at least he should be

As I see it

Ruck - either Flynn or B-Will
Forward/Ruck - J-Will
KPF - Allen and Waterman

Flynn and Bailey only play in the same side if J-Will is unavailable

Reid plays ahead of Flynn/B-Will if Oscar or Jake are unavailable. Shanahan the next in line after Archer

 

[eaglevision]

Archer Reid is next in line to play if either Waterman or Allen are unavailable. Or at least he should be

As I see it

Ruck - either Flynn or B-Will
Forward/Ruck - J-Will
KPF - Allen and Waterman

Flynn and Bailey only play in the same side if J-Will is unavailable

Reid plays ahead of Flynn/B-Will if Oscar or Jake are unavailable. Shanahan the next in line after Archer

I’d be very surprised if there are views significantly different to this but under no circumstance would I want us to play Flynn and BWill in the same side unless BWill is playing as one of two KPDs. I’d rather accept we aren’t going to win the ruck contests Flynn isn’t in and have a sacrificial Shaun Grigg type.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yes but not with the intention of them playing as a flanker long term.

And Cousins ended up playing as a high half forward flank so we could play Judd, Kerr and co on ball.

Was that a mistake?

 

[Obeanie1]

I think there will be enough injury issues from that triumvirate for Archer to debut this year without resting them and same for Shanahan next year.

Allen
Waterman
J Williams Fwd / ruck
Maric
A Reid
Shanahan
B Williams 2nd ruck
Barnett 2nd ruck
Livingstone Fwd / ruck

Alot of tall forwards / 2nd rucks fighting for three spots.

 

[mattyc75]

And Cousins ended up playing as a high half forward flank so we could play Judd, Kerr and co on ball.

Was that a mistake?

Cousins is in the conversation for best midfielder ever for the eagles

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[eaglevision]

And Cousins ended up playing as a high half forward flank so we could play Judd, Kerr and co on ball.

Was that a mistake?

You’re talking about the end of the career of one of the greatest midfielders and footballers in the history of the game who spent most of his time in the centre square. Not crucial development years of young talls thst have shown to be excellent KPFs at junior level.

Allen
Waterman
J Williams Fwd / ruck
Maric
A Reid
Shanahan
B Williams 2nd ruck
Barnett 2nd ruck
Livingstone Fwd / ruck

Alot of tall forwards / 2nd rucks fighting for three spots.

Maric has switched to defence and the last 3 will need to hold their position as primary ruck or KPD or they are gone.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the list management of having two established KPFs, developing one ruck/forward and two young KPFs. They’ll get their chance.

 

[WCE777]

Would you have sent Daniel Kerr to develop as forward flank because we had an abundance of mids? Shanahan and Archer are too good and complement each other too well to shift straight into KPD without seeing if they can make it as KPFs. Get Cody, target a young KPD (preferably Dan Curtin and Zac Reid) and the age profile is much better.

By promising young ruck I meant a Max Knobel or what should have been Barnett type with a couple of years in the system.

yes if he wasn't in the best 3 or 4 mids.
WC have Oscar, Jake for the next 5+ years and JW as KFWD's for the next period, 1 of Archer or Shanahan will have to develop a KDEF role to be of value to the team, by having 4 KFWD's with Oscar, Jake, JW and say Shanahan that is an abundance of forwards meaning 1 will have to find their role in a team as something else.
I don't see how talented KP players cant be deployed to list needs, whichever player shows the most ability as a KFWD for the future between Archer and Shanahan should be kept for our future and the other use their skills in KDEF.
I actually think Archer may end up as a KDEF of the highest quality but time will tell.
I get the Knobel reference but he is the same age as Barnett and brings nothing to the list except another developing ruck with potential.
I would prefer to use the list spot for someone who is ready to takeover the number 1 ruck role in the next year or 2, someone developed and starved of opputinity and can provide soon, if Barnett doesn't develop as a ruck or KDEF in the next couple of years then draft another ruck then imo.
Go hard at someone like Reidy or Moyle as an example this year or next.

 

[WCE777]

IMO fast forward 3 to 4 years and we will find our tall defenders are already on the list now.

A Reid, Barnett, Bazzo and Shannahan.

H Edwards looks like his body can't handle AFL level training loads But may surprise.....not holding my breath there.

Sure we likely draft or trade in another KP defender however the cupboard is not bare.

agree
Archer and Shanahan will be fighting out for next KFWD role alongside JW as the next generation KFWD's, may the best win and the other be deployed to KDEF.
Barnett has to perform soon in the ruck or he will need to be used in KDEF to stay on the list.
Edwards and Bazzo need to get their bodies right and 1 of them will make it imo.
Agree we need to draft or trade in another KDEF but you are correct, the biggest issue with our KDEF is the gap between Gov and the next generation.

 

[ghostbat12]

And Cousins ended up playing as a high half forward flank so we could play Judd, Kerr and co on ball.

Was that a mistake?

You make it sound like cousins did not then play in midfield at all.

I guess Dustin Martin was a forward and nothing else then.

 

[NSLK]

Let's keep it simple: Shanahan at CHF, Reid at CHB, don't switch ends at the end of quarters.

 

[stallon]

I think there will be enough injury issues from that triumvirate for Archer to debut this year without resting them and same for Shanahan next year.

In 5 years time when Oscar is 30, Waterman is 31 and Jwilliams is 26 playing as a ruck/fwd, what do you envisage Archer or Shanahan doing as 23/24 year olds?
Not like Allen or Waterman are even at the normal retirement age then either, they'd still be expecting to play good footy

Oscar and Jake could both be playing good footy until 32 for example, do you really see Archer and Shanahan sticking around while not having a regular spot in the side until theyre 24/25?
Even if one of them comes in when someone's out injured, that's still not a good situation for them.

That's what they're up against if they want to stay as forwards.
Something gotta give

 

[WCE777]

In 5 years time when Oscar is 30, Waterman is 31 and Jwilliams is 26 playing as a ruck/fwd, what do you envisage Archer or Shanahan doing as 23/24 year olds?
Not like Allen or Waterman are even at the normal retirement age then either, they'd still be expecting to play good footy

Oscar and Jake could both be playing good footy until 32 for example, do you really see Archer and Shanahan sticking around while not having a regular spot in the side until theyre 24/25?
Even if one of them comes in when someone's out injured, that's still not a good situation for them.

That's what they're up against if they want to stay as forwards.
Something gotta give

100%

 

[eaglespremiers]

So who out of Oscar, Jake or J Williams gets the boot so these unproven kids can play forward?

And young mids normally develop on a flank in early years. Very very few can walk into a centre square rotation.

Shanahan > J Williams within a couple of years (if not pretty well straight away).

 

[Obeanie1]

You’re talking about the end of the career of one of the greatest midfielders and footballers in the history of the game who spent most of his time in the centre square. Not crucial development years of young talls thst have shown to be excellent KPFs at junior level.


Maric has switched to defence and the last 3 will need to hold their position as primary ruck or KPD or they are gone.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the list management of having two established KPFs, developing one ruck/forward and two young KPFs. They’ll get their chance.

Where was Cousins developed in his early years?

Half forward.

 

[eaglevision]

yes if he wasn't in the best 3 or 4 mids.
WC have Oscar, Jake for the next 5+ years and JW as KFWD's for the next period, 1 of Archer or Shanahan will have to develop a KDEF role to be of value to the team, by having 4 KFWD's with Oscar, Jake, JW and say Shanahan that is an abundance of forwards meaning 1 will have to find their role in a team as something else.
I don't see how talented KP players cant be deployed to list needs, whichever player shows the most ability as a KFWD for the future between Archer and Shanahan should be kept for our future and the other use their skills in KDEF.
I actually think Archer may end up as a KDEF of the highest quality but time will tell.
I get the Knobel reference but he is the same age as Barnett and brings nothing to the list except another developing ruck with potential.
I would prefer to use the list spot for someone who is ready to takeover the number 1 ruck role in the next year or 2, someone developed and starved of opputinity and can provide soon, if Barnett doesn't develop as a ruck or KDEF in the next couple of years then draft another ruck then imo.
Go hard at someone like Reidy or Moyle as an example this year or next.

What traits in Archer at CTL, U18 champs and one year of Beagles have you observed to say he’ll be a quality KPD and why it’s not worth continuing to develop him as a KPF?

I don’t share your ruck view on Knobel but your points and approach are perfectly valid other than the chance of getting Moyle is zero.

In 5 years time when Oscar is 30, Waterman is 31 and Jwilliams is 26 playing as a ruck/fwd, what do you envisage Archer or Shanahan doing as 23/24 year olds?
Not like Allen or Waterman are even at the normal retirement age then either, they'd still be expecting to play good footy

Oscar and Jake could both be playing good footy until 32 for example, do you really see Archer and Shanahan sticking around while not having a regular spot in the side until theyre 24/25?
Even if one of them comes in when someone's out injured, that's still not a good situation for them.

That's what they're up against if they want to stay as forwards.
Something gotta give

Understand the logic, no argument there it’s their ceiling that KPD would lower them to. I think you’ll find that Oscar may not be playing as much as you think at 30 and whilst I’m delighted Jake had a great season, let’s just remember it was one season.

What’s being overlooked is just how well Archer and Jobe complement one another. Jobe is a fanstastic contested mark, great shot for goal and has exceptional leading patterns. Despite sliding in the view of clubs multiple KPDs from the champs said Jobe is the best player they have played on. Perfect FF.

Archer is athletic, has beautiful foot skills, a massive tank and is great at the ground ball for such a big man and eventually can ruck as well. Perfect a bit further up the ground.

Any one of the key forwards could be traded if there’s a clear log jam, just the same they can be swung into defence occasionally if needed. What’s more of an issue is how the beagles might stifle their development as forwards, not their ability to play there.

 

[ghostbat12]

In 5 years time when Oscar is 30, Waterman is 31 and Jwilliams is 26 playing as a ruck/fwd, what do you envisage Archer or Shanahan doing as 23/24 year olds?
Not like Allen or Waterman are even at the normal retirement age then either, they'd still be expecting to play good footy

Oscar and Jake could both be playing good footy until 32 for example, do you really see Archer and Shanahan sticking around while not having a regular spot in the side until theyre 24/25?
Even if one of them comes in when someone's out injured, that's still not a good situation for them.

That's what they're up against if they want to stay as forwards.
Something gotta give

How about they show they can play first before hitting panic stations.

 

[eaglevision]

Where was Cousins developed in his early years?

Half forward.

Because he didn’t have the physical ability to immediately play the role in midfield, not because he was pushed out.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Who cares where they line up. Most teams push one of their half forwards onto the ball once the ball is in play.

 

[We_The_West]

Shanahan is a great FF, but is also a genuine utility.

Did play KPD, mid and Ruck in his development years.

Would not be unhappy seeing him getting 10+ marks and 20 touches a game marshalling the beagles defence.

Barnett down there also.

 

[Obeanie1]

You make it sound like cousins did not then play in midfield at all.

I guess Dustin Martin was a forward and nothing else then.

Never said that at all.

Cousins started his development at half forward. He moved into midfield and dominated. And then returned to the high half forward role late in his career.

All of that indicated that developing a young mid as a high half forward aka playing as an additional midfielder works just fine.

People who think 18 and 19 year old mids should be developed on ball year 1 just don't get it. Only the very very best kids can do that. And even then they struggle. They don't have the size nor the endurance to play out a game. Hence why they are developed on flanks with short spells on ball.

 

[Obeanie1]

Because he didn’t have the physical ability to immediately play the role in midfield, not because he was pushed out.

Huh?

Pushed out? As an 18 and 19 yr old Cousins wasn't pushed out of the midfield. He was never in it to be pushed out as an 18 - 19 yr old.

He was developed as a half forward who pushed up the ground.

Did that development as a 18 and 19 old hurt his career as a midfielder once he was ready?

No it didn't. It worked out very nicely.

 

[eaglevision]

Huh?

Pushed out? As an 18 and 19 yr old Cousins wasn't pushed out of the midfield. He was never in it to be pushed out as an 18 - 19 yr old.

He was developed as a half forward who pushed up the ground.

Did that development as a 18 and 19 old hurt his career as a midfielder once he was ready?

No it didn't. It worked out very nicely.

Exactly. He wasn’t ready, surely I don’t need to spell out that there were hardened match fit players that WERE able to play in the midfield meaning Cousins didn’t.

You’re now taking about a midfielder that spent the early part of his career mostly on a flank building up the engine and body transitioning more and more game time to the midfield, not a high ceiling KPF that would spend all his development years in that AFL as a KPD. Chalk and cheese.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Bad news fellas. Yas gifted a dog to Harley Reid.

I think the dog resides in Vic country. It's over. I dont think hes going to sign an extension. Taking dogs state to state is nearly impossible.

You are so full of shit. My dog runs over NT and WA border all the time.