List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

I have received some feedback that I may been a tad hostile with you. I was also not observant enough to associate your self-appointed tag of “Wannabe Draft Nuffie”.

Not being from Queensland, I was less knowledgeable of the term nuffie so I looked it up. AI tells me that nuffie is a derivative of the term of nuffy.

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Sorry for not heeding the warning signs. I should have been more accommodating since this is not a cricket forum.

Given that, I have decided to turn negative energy into being your mentor and guide. I will try to provide you with feedback that you can learn from. I also realise that you have never played the game at a serious level, you have never coached or been in a development role, you have never been in list management, and you have never been a player agent management. I should say congratulations on taking on such a steep learning curve. I must add that not being able to go to games outside Brisbane has you also in a major disadvantage since the U18 games are usually only shown with a single camera and trying to get an understanding of the players football IQ and decision making are usually only able to be truly understood when attending games.

Therefore, I will encourage other poster to give you help when they see you can benefit from it.

Let us start with a really simple post. You wrote that Rodriguez is an elite in and under mid. I get what you mean and you are nearly there. Most football pundits in Victoria and WA that I know would tend to use the term inside mid, balanced mid or outside mid. The actions of being in and under would normally be associated with an inside mid. Maybe it is the rugby lenses you have over in Qld.

Time for your first lesson. I guess not being able attend games and see Fred at work would mean you need help in categorising him. To call him an inside mid is a little disrespectful. I rate Fred as the best balanced midfielder in the WA U18 system for some years. He has both an inside and an outside game. I say balanced mid as from my experience, these are the best possible midfielders and usually get drafted higher and earn more money. It is why the Warner offer is less likely to include the Rodriguez pick but indeed the Hawks R1 and a F1.

I trust lesson one was fruitful for you.

Professor ATG goes bang!!!!

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Let's keep it simple: Shanahan at CHF, Reid at CHB, don't switch ends at the end of quarters.

Until each opposing side gets and extra dozen behinds each game against because the boys kick it the wrong way

 

[stallon]

Understand the logic, no argument there it’s their ceiling that KPD would lower them to. I think you’ll find that Oscar may not be playing as much as you think at 30 and whilst I’m delighted Jake had a great season, let’s just remember it was one season.

What’s being overlooked is just how well Archer and Jobe complement one another. Jobe is a fanstastic contested mark, great shot for goal and has exceptional leading patterns. Despite sliding in the view of clubs multiple KPDs from the champs said Jobe is the best player they have played on. Perfect FF.

Archer is athletic, has beautiful foot skills, a massive tank and is great at the ground ball for such a big man and eventually can ruck as well. Perfect a bit further up the ground.

Any one of the key forwards could be traded if there’s a clear log jam, just the same they can be swung into defence occasionally if needed. What’s more of an issue is how the beagles might stifle their development as forwards, not their ability to play there.

I agree if Archer and Shanahan do what we expect the ideal situation in a few years probably is those two in the side.
It's just such a waste to have 4 genuine good KPFs and a good ruck/fwd.

I dont wanna be writing off Allen or Waterman to be playing decent footy at age 31 just yet.

It's almost a better situation for us if Allen leaves, as much as that would suck

Archer and Shanahan are the right age to develop alongside most of the group at least

 

[eaglevision]

I agree if Archer and Shanahan do what we expect the ideal situation in a few years probably is those two in the side.
It's just such a waste to have 4 genuine good KPFs and a good ruck/fwd.

I dont wanna be writing off Allen or Waterman to be playing decent footy at age 31 just yet.

It's almost a better situation for us if Allen leaves, as much as that would suck

Archer and Shanahan are the right age to develop alongside most of the group at least

If they line up as our KPFs and we can actually get some decent delivery to them they’ll be a joy to watch together in the Beagles.

Lucky we’ve been on such a strong recruitment drive Miguel Sanchez

 

[PremiershipNo4]

You’re talking about the end of the career of one of the greatest midfielders and footballers in the history of the game who spent most of his time in the centre square. Not crucial development years of young talls thst have shown to be excellent KPFs at junior level.


Maric has switched to defence and the last 3 will need to hold their position as primary ruck or KPD or they are gone.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the list management of having two established KPFs, developing one ruck/forward and two young KPFs. They’ll get their chance.

Cousins started in a forward pocket.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Ben cousins

Early career​

Cousins was made to wait until round 4 of his rookie season to make his debut, but had an immediate impact with 2 goals and remained in the side for the rest of the season. Used mainly as a clever small forward, with occasional midfield stints, Cousins kicked 34 goals in 20 games including a five-goal haul against St Kilda that earned him a Rising Star nomination. He ultimately won the Rising Star, the first (and so far only) Eagle to do so, although he was somehow pipped for the West Coast Rookie of the Year award by Andrew Donnelly.

 

[eaglevision]

Ben cousins

Early career​

Cousins was made to wait until round 4 of his rookie season to make his debut, but had an immediate impact with 2 goals and remained in the side for the rest of the season. Used mainly as a clever small forward, with occasional midfield stints, Cousins kicked 34 goals in 20 games including a five-goal haul against St Kilda that earned him a Rising Star nomination. He ultimately won the Rising Star, the first (and so far only) Eagle to do so, although he was somehow pipped for the West Coast Rookie of the Year award by Andrew Donnelly.

Andrew Donnelly still shafting blokes 30 years later.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Glen Jacovich, in my opinion probably the best CHB I’ve seen before his knee injury.
I played against him in school footy, was mostly played as a CHF

West Coast career
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The powerfully-built defender of Croatian heritage was picked up as a zone selection in the 1990 national draft (along with Mitchell White) and made his debut halfway through the 1991 season, just a few months after his 18th birthday. Used at either end of the ground and in the ruck during his rookie season, Jakovich held his place for the rest of the year and played in the ill-fated grand final at Waverley alongside fellow 18-year-old and future long-term partner in defence Ashley McIntosh.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Just because someone is drafted as a KPF doesn’t mean that won’t end up being an outstanding defender.

 

[NSLK]

How the f is Cousins’ career relevant to the development of two untested KPPs? lol

 

[eaglevision]

Just because someone is drafted as a KPF doesn’t mean that won’t end up being an outstanding defender.

Oh ok. I thought they were only allowed to play in the position they nominated in their interview.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Oh ok. I thought they were only allowed to play in the position they nominated in their interview.

Righto cob, carry on…….

 

[mattyc75]

Ben cousins

Early career​

Cousins was made to wait until round 4 of his rookie season to make his debut, but had an immediate impact with 2 goals and remained in the side for the rest of the season. Used mainly as a clever small forward, with occasional midfield stints, Cousins kicked 34 goals in 20 games including a five-goal haul against St Kilda that earned him a Rising Star nomination. He ultimately won the Rising Star, the first (and so far only) Eagle to do so, although he was somehow pipped for the West Coast Rookie of the Year award by Andrew Donnelly.

Donnelly was pretty bloody good for a couple of years there

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[mattyc75]

How the f is Cousins’ career relevant to the development of two untested KPPs? lol

Because obeanie

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[Barrybran]

Ben cousins

Early career​

Cousins was made to wait until round 4 of his rookie season to make his debut, but had an immediate impact with 2 goals and remained in the side for the rest of the season. Used mainly as a clever small forward, with occasional midfield stints, Cousins kicked 34 goals in 20 games including a five-goal haul against St Kilda that earned him a Rising Star nomination. He ultimately won the Rising Star, the first (and so far only) Eagle to do so, although he was somehow pipped for the West Coast Rookie of the Year award by Andrew Donnelly.

No pressure, Elijah

 

[Barrybran]

There's merit to letting Shanahan play forward this year. If Oscar leaves at seasons end, Archer and Jobe will have spent a year working together at WAFL level. If Oscar stays, we can then make a decision as to who goes to defense, which could also be Oscar himself.

The only thing we can't afford is to have all of Allen, Waterman, J.Williams, A.Reid and Shanahan playing forward once Allen's contract is renewed. Until then, we can just let Reid and Shanahan play.

 

[WCE777]

There's merit to letting Shanahan play forward this year. If Oscar leaves at seasons end, Archer and Jobe will have spent a year working together at WAFL level. If Oscar stays, we can then make a decision as to who goes to defense, which could also be Oscar himself.

The only thing we can't afford is to have all of Allen, Waterman, J.Williams, A.Reid and Shanahan playing forward once Allen's contract is renewed. Until then, we can just let Reid and Shanahan play.

100%
Can't believe the amount of debate about not wanting to shift/use very talented kids in a position that they weren't drafted in?
But that's just me.
Happens all the time and with the abundance of KFWD's someone will end up playing KDEF.
I am excited about the quality of KP players we have coming through and would love for 1 of the young players to be the next Gov, it's in their hands.
May the best player win.

 

[eaglevision]

There's merit to letting Shanahan play forward this year. If Oscar leaves at seasons end, Archer and Jobe will have spent a year working together at WAFL level. If Oscar stays, we can then make a decision as to who goes to defense, which could also be Oscar himself.

The only thing we can't afford is to have all of Allen, Waterman, J.Williams, A.Reid and Shanahan playing forward once Allen's contract is renewed. Until then, we can just let Reid and Shanahan play.

If we could turn Oscar into Chad with the compo pick, I’d probably do it.

 

[We_The_West]

From memory, Pavlich started as a KPD in his early seasons before moving forward?

Having all these talented talls is exciting and the prospect of unearthing a KPD will be an intriguing watch this year.

Mini and Matt Clarke may not rate large slower KPDs and may want a slightly shorter mobile defence like Richmond’s during their era.

Astbury at 195, Grimes and Rance 194, Broad at 192 and Vlastuin at 187.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Cousins was like 16 ? When he was drafted no wonder it took a few years for him develop a body for midfield, Judd played on the wing for year one and Kerr played HFF a lot.

 

[Mr Q]

Cousins was like 16 ? When he was drafted no wonder it took a few years for him develop a body for midfield, Judd played on the wing for year one and Kerr played HFF a lot.

17. The only 16 year old to play for the Eagles was David Wirrpanda (a record that will likely remain forever)

(Cousins debuted the week before Wirra, and the same week as Phil Matera)

 

[We_The_West]

2024 in review: Shooting star shines bright

Brady Hough epitomises the team's mantra of constant improvement

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

"He was a country footballer at Harvey Brunswick Leschenault playing seniors as a midfielder as recently as his draft year."

"Originally a mid-forward as a teenager, Hough has made his name as a lockdown defender who is neat with the ball and has taken some huge scalps."

Surely this is misinformation?! How can a forward/mid be turned into a defender?

 

[boondy]

Huh?

Pushed out? As an 18 and 19 yr old Cousins wasn't pushed out of the midfield. He was never in it to be pushed out as an 18 - 19 yr old.

He was developed as a half forward who pushed up the ground.

Did that development as a 18 and 19 old hurt his career as a midfielder once he was ready?

No it didn't. It worked out very nicely.

Gary Ablett Jr . was a small fwd . I remember Daniel Chick playing on him . Chick towelled him up . I remember thinking that GAJ kid won't be very good .

 

[boondy]

I agree if Archer and Shanahan do what we expect the ideal situation in a few years probably is those two in the side.
It's just such a waste to have 4 genuine good KPFs and a good ruck/fwd.

I dont wanna be writing off Allen or Waterman to be playing decent footy at age 31 just yet.

It's almost a better situation for us if Allen leaves, as much as that would suck

Archer and Shanahan are the right age to develop alongside most of the group at least

Yep . Let them leave as F.A. get reasonable draft currency .

 

[Obeanie1]

2024 in review: Shooting star shines bright

Brady Hough epitomises the team's mantra of constant improvement

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

"He was a country footballer at Harvey Brunswick Leschenault playing seniors as a midfielder as recently as his draft year."

"Originally a mid-forward as a teenager, Hough has made his name as a lockdown defender who is neat with the ball and has taken some huge scalps."

Surely this is misinformation?! How can a forward/mid be turned into a defender?

Justin (corrected ) Lepitch ring any bells.

Chris Tarrant.

David Wirrapunda

And surely you remember Huntaaaaaar the swing man who won us a flag in 2006.