List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 31/10/24) ...

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[Obeanie1]

I highly rate Winder and see him in the team in 3 years. More as a wing / half forward who can spend time on ball. He is very dynamic and has the right tools to make it at the next level. Winder's development in the middle actually makes me even more on the Johnson train as they will complement each other nicely.

For me the tricky one to place in the side is Edwards. He's definitely AFL quality but to me it's B grade quality at best. Reminds me so much of a young sam butler. Could he play genuine midfield minutes in a top tier side or does he play outside or even back. With his skillset he could very well end up either being a roleplaying midfielder or he could be a lock as a small defender.

I hope Winder is in the side earlier than 3 years. He's already played one game.

 

[WCErevival]

Winder is the forgotten player. Could easily get games next year.

 

[southcoast]

I've had it confirmed that North are 100% taking JHF pick 1, they have no considerations on Daicos.

Your comments mirror the ‘popular press’ summation.

Sounds like Norfs need a number one pick for a ‘feel good story’ for their fans.

Whether Norfs were serious about Daicos, or not, Pies are so committed to Daicos they should be made to use every available point they have to secure him.

 

[pantskyle]

Your comments mirror the ‘popular press’ summation.

Sounds like Norfs need a number one pick for a ‘feel good story’ for their fans.

Whether Norfs were serious about Daicos, or not, Pies are so committed to Daicos they should be made to use every available point they have to secure him.

That will fall on the other teams who pick before Pies.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Surely they don't overlook Callaghan?

From a needs perspective, I think they should go Erasmus over Calla as they need quality in the forward line. Kelly and Whitfield are quite similar to Callaghan, plus they took Bruhn last year.

If I were GWS I'd trade back a few spots, get some more draft capital for next year and take Erasmus.

 

[Bender_]

Does the #1 pick still get a $20k bonus? You might find North want to do the right thing by JHF and not swindle him out of that.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

What's everyone's dream draft scenario and who would be your biggest melt? Obviously with the dream draft, be reasonable as we aren't getting Horne-Francis with our current picks. Template below;

Pick 10: Johnson (Hobbs, Goater)
Pick 29: Taylor (Roberts, Bazzo, Sheldrick)
Pick 35: Hough (Dittmar, Rankin, Soligo)
Pick 68: Dean, Schlegson or Pegoraro (Tunstill, Paton, Rogers, Clark)

Biggest Melt: Amiss, if we took him with our first when there were quality young mids still on the draft board, I'd go bananas. Added to the fact, we just let Brander go for free because we couldn't guarantee him fwd time, and to round it out I don't rate him this high in the draft. I'd have him 15-25.

Johnson and Taylor would be great young midfielders to add to our list, I think both players could play multiple roles in early days and in a few years time go inside and be very good players. Hough addresses the outside run we need, he runs all day and has good skills and I think will be a good role player at AFL level. Last selection, I think we need a young developing KPD to add to the list but honestly here in the draft it's best available and someone you think will be go on with an AFL career. Rookie draft, same applies but I'd want to address the ruck situation and try get the best mature body ruckman going around, maybe Strnadica.

 

[WCE_phil]

I hope Winder is in the side earlier than 3 years. He's already played one game.

I fully expect him in the side before then, however it takes even young mids 3-4 years in the system before they become integral parts of the system and even very good players. I expect him to be a roleplayer in the next couple of years building on his solid foundation and really blossoming and becoming a first 15 picked player about 3 years from now.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

That will fall on the other teams who pick before Pies.

Isn’t that basically all of them?

 

[WCE_phil]

What's everyone's dream draft scenario and who would be your biggest melt? Obviously with the dream draft, be reasonable as we aren't getting Horne-Francis with our current picks. Template below;

Pick 10: Johnson (Hobbs, Goater)
Pick 29: Taylor (Roberts, Bazzo, Sheldrick)
Pick 35: Hough (Dittmar, Rankin, Soligo)
Pick 68: Dean, Schlegson or Pegoraro (Tunstill, Paton, Rogers, Clark)

Biggest Melt: Amiss, if we took him with our first when there were quality young mids still on the draft board, I'd go bananas. Added to the fact, we just let Brander go for free because we couldn't guarantee him fwd time, and to round it out I don't rate him this high in the draft. I'd have him 15-25.

Johnson and Taylor would be great young midfielders to add to our list, I think both players could play multiple roles in early days and in a few years time go inside and be very good players. Hough addresses the outside run we need, he runs all day and has good skills and I think will be a good role player at AFL level. Last selection, I think we need a young developing KPD to add to the list but honestly here in the draft it's best available and someone you think will be go on with an AFL career. Rookie draft, same applies but I'd want to address the ruck situation and try get the best mature body ruckman going around, maybe Strnadica.

Amiss at the end of the season worries me. However I can see him being worthy of our pick if that's where the recruiters want to go particularly based off of his season of colts form. Watching him play he is an almost pure leading full forward. Which is very much a rarity in today's game and I see a hell of a lot of Jack Riewoldt in him. If we could have him at FF and Allen at CHF with Williams as a resting ruck it would solidify our spine for quite a while. It would however mean there really is no spot for Waterman in the future. I much prefer playing 2 genuine tall forwards rather than 3 and whilst I am one of Jake's biggest supporters he really is best as a forward, not a running HF or Wing and he is a tweener, particularly as players are getting taller. If we were to select Amiss however we'd want to be bloody lucky with a couple of mids slipping in the second round. I still strongly want Rogers with our 4th round pick.

My biggest melt would be if we were to draft Williams (in the second round) who I don't see making it at AFL level. Realistically he's more of a ruck than a forward who has dominated through size rather than anything else and I really don't see us having a position for a 194cm Ruck/Forward.

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

What's everyone's dream draft scenario and who would be your biggest melt? Obviously with the dream draft, be reasonable as we aren't getting Horne-Francis with our current picks. Template below;

Pick 10: Johnson (Hobbs, Goater)
Pick 29: Taylor (Roberts, Bazzo, Sheldrick)
Pick 35: Hough (Dittmar, Rankin, Soligo)
Pick 68: Dean, Schlegson or Pegoraro (Tunstill, Paton, Rogers, Clark)

Biggest Melt: Amiss, if we took him with our first when there were quality young mids still on the draft board, I'd go bananas. Added to the fact, we just let Brander go for free because we couldn't guarantee him fwd time, and to round it out I don't rate him this high in the draft. I'd have him 15-25.

Johnson and Taylor would be great young midfielders to add to our list, I think both players could play multiple roles in early days and in a few years time go inside and be very good players. Hough addresses the outside run we need, he runs all day and has good skills and I think will be a good role player at AFL level. Last selection, I think we need a young developing KPD to add to the list but honestly here in the draft it's best available and someone you think will be go on with an AFL career. Rookie draft, same applies but I'd want to address the ruck situation and try get the best mature body ruckman going around, maybe Strnadica.

Pick 10: Erasmus (Johnson, Hobbs)
Pick 29: Taylor (Sheldrick, Roberts, Macdonald)
Pick 35: Dittmar (Hough, Banks, Rankin)
Pick 68: Rogers (Clark, Tunstill, Fejo jr?)

Biggest Melt:
NWM- Need to build the core of our future midfield then worry about the flair. Especially if one of the WA mids are still available.

Also does anyone know Fejo jr’s draft range?

 

[pantskyle]

Isn’t that basically all of them?

No idea, I don't care when the Pies pick.

 

[shooshka]

From a needs perspective, I think they should go Erasmus over Calla as they need quality in the forward line. Kelly and Whitfield are quite similar to Callaghan, plus they took Bruhn last year.

If I were GWS I'd trade back a few spots, get some more draft capital for next year and take Erasmus.

Yep, it seems the perfect scenario to trade back.

GWS are taking 3 picks (currently 2, 13, 53 - then they have 54, 71, 89). The 3rd of those picks will be matching Fahey from their academy.

So trading with Freo (for instance) 2 & 13 for 6 & 8 (which, when they trade it, hopefully ends up as 4 & 15 for 8 & 10) seems pretty fair (surplus of pick 56 one way or the other).

Erasmus almost certain to be there at 8 (Freo will take Callaghan - leaving Gold Coast, Adelaide and Hawks as the 3 taking picks). Then they can get another player at 10. Freo may also lob in a late pick with the trade (69 currently) as they aren't going to use it. Then potentially GWS can trade out 53/54 for a future 3rd at some stage (once they have come into late-40's picks) if they have surplus points.

It still comes down to the same scenario for them as it does for us though - how many talls are taken early? Gibcus, Andrew (and Amiss, but he will likely go after #8) - do they get taken by Hawks, GC, Adelaide?

 

[dajesmac]

This would be unfortunate. Another elite WA talent wallowing at an expansion club no one gives a stuff about. Hopefully if this happens we get Johnson with our first and Erasmus requests a trade home to us in 2025. Right when we finally get some cap space back…

Wow that’s come out of nowhere a bit if they are considering using pick 2. Erasmus over Callaghan?

If they trade down with Freo they could get him with 6 I guess

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

What's everyone's dream draft scenario and who would be your biggest melt? Obviously with the dream draft, be reasonable as we aren't getting Horne-Francis with our current picks. Template below;

Pick 10: Johnson (Hobbs, Goater)
Pick 29: Taylor (Roberts, Bazzo, Sheldrick)
Pick 35: Hough (Dittmar, Rankin, Soligo)
Pick 68: Dean, Schlegson or Pegoraro (Tunstill, Paton, Rogers, Clark)

Biggest Melt: Amiss, if we took him with our first when there were quality young mids still on the draft board, I'd go bananas. Added to the fact, we just let Brander go for free because we couldn't guarantee him fwd time, and to round it out I don't rate him this high in the draft. I'd have him 15-25.

Johnson and Taylor would be great young midfielders to add to our list, I think both players could play multiple roles in early days and in a few years time go inside and be very good players. Hough addresses the outside run we need, he runs all day and has good skills and I think will be a good role player at AFL level. Last selection, I think we need a young developing KPD to add to the list but honestly here in the draft it's best available and someone you think will be go on with an AFL career. Rookie draft, same applies but I'd want to address the ruck situation and try get the best mature body ruckman going around, maybe Strnadica.

For me picking a genuine mid at 10 is key. There's so much quality mids at that pick that we almost can't go wrong.
The 2nd round picks I'm not so opinionated on. Let the recruiters use their judgement and if that's a non-mid, fine.

Biggest melt comes in 3 parts, in order of how much rage it would induce:
1. We try to be too clever and reach for a player that NOBODY else would ever consider at our pick. A Knevitt or Wilmot or Taylor here would be infuriating
2. We draft a tall (Amiss, Andrew, Gibcus).
3. "midfield potential" types. Please WCE, just stop it. Duggan, Brander & Venables were recent flankers who we couldn't transition to the midfield, lets just give this philosophy a rest when it comes to 1st round picks.

 

[Bacchus]

This would be unfortunate. Another elite WA talent wallowing at an expansion club no one gives a stuff about. Hopefully if this happens we get Johnson with our first and Erasmus requests a trade home to us in 2025. Right when we finally get some cap space back…

Very disappointing if true. Wasn’t Erasmus supposed to be warning off ES teams and Sydney would be a worse place to go than Melbourne. I note Pavlich’s face attached and he always likes to throw a spanner in WC’s engine.
I would prefer MJ over Erasmus, although I would take Erasmus as second best, but Erasmus going early significantly reduces the likelihood of MJ being available at our pick.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Amiss at the end of the season worries me. However I can see him being worthy of our pick if that's where the recruiters want to go particularly based off of his season of colts form. Watching him play he is an almost pure leading full forward. Which is very much a rarity in today's game and I see a hell of a lot of Jack Riewoldt in him. If we could have him at FF and Allen at CHF with Williams as a resting ruck it would solidify our spine for quite a while. It would however mean there really is no spot for Waterman in the future. I much prefer playing 2 genuine tall forwards rather than 3 and whilst I am one of Jake's biggest supporters he really is best as a forward, not a running HF or Wing and he is a tweener, particularly as players are getting taller. If we were to select Amiss however we'd want to be bloody lucky with a couple of mids slipping in the second round. I still strongly want Rogers with our 4th round pick.

My biggest melt would be if we were to draft Williams (in the second round) who I don't see making it at AFL level. Realistically he's more of a ruck than a forward who has dominated through size rather than anything else and I really don't see us having a position for a 194cm Ruck/Forward.

Yeah, I noticed from his first 3-4 games in the WA guernsey he was sitting very deep and playing the lead up FF and I was massively underwhelmed. At AFL level sitting as a deep forward just doesn't happen unless you're trying to get a mismatch like Dusty at full forward with Tom Cole. I did notice in his last few matches he was pushing much higher up the ground and took a few marks up on the wings and was pushing back hard, this is when he impressed me the most - I reckon he got a bit of feedback to say recruiters want to see you push up the ground more. I just don't see a key forward as a pressing need for us now.
If we took Van Rooyen I'd be ok with it as he showed good versatility as KPD and FWD, and I like his contested marking ability.

Agree on Williams, not for us!

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I hope Winder is in the side earlier than 3 years. He's already played one game.

I watched live 3 of the late WAFL games as Winder came back from surgery and was one of the players that showed improvement and skills that could transition a level higher.

Can Winder get his endurance? Hopefully his knee is 100% meaning he can start addressing that aspect

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Amiss at the end of the season worries me. However I can see him being worthy of our pick if that's where the recruiters want to go particularly based off of his season of colts form. Watching him play he is an almost pure leading full forward. Which is very much a rarity in today's game and I see a hell of a lot of Jack Riewoldt in him. If we could have him at FF and Allen at CHF with Williams as a resting ruck it would solidify our spine for quite a while. It would however mean there really is no spot for Waterman in the future. I much prefer playing 2 genuine tall forwards rather than 3 and whilst I am one of Jake's biggest supporters he really is best as a forward, not a running HF or Wing and he is a tweener, particularly as players are getting taller. If we were to select Amiss however we'd want to be bloody lucky with a couple of mids slipping in the second round. I still strongly want Rogers with our 4th round pick.

My biggest melt would be if we were to draft Williams (in the second round) who I don't see making it at AFL level. Realistically he's more of a ruck than a forward who has dominated through size rather than anything else and I really don't see us having a position for a 194cm Ruck/Forward.

agree on Williams

I want us to get the mids this year - some really good local, SA and Vic talls next year.

My view is this is a midfielders draft and just fill our boots now

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeah, I noticed from his first 3-4 games in the WA guernsey he was sitting very deep and playing the lead up FF and I was massively underwhelmed. At AFL level sitting as a deep forward just doesn't happen unless you're trying to get a mismatch like Dusty at full forward with Tom Cole. I did notice in his last few matches he was pushing much higher up the ground and took a few marks up on the wings and was pushing back hard, this is when he impressed me the most - I reckon he got a bit of feedback to say recruiters want to see you push up the ground more. I just don't see a key forward as a pressing need for us now.
If we took Van Rooyen I'd be ok with it as he showed good versatility as KPD and FWD, and I like his contested marking ability.

Agree on Williams, not for us!

I was really hoping JVR would be there for our second pick but it doesn't look likely. I think Bazzo will be there for either 29 or 35 if we want him. Just call it gut feel but with the reports of him not interviewing well and vic clubs looking at other talent I see him as the 8 or 9th tall off the board however he would be great for us, just ready to take on a major role as McGovern is retiring.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I was really hoping JVR would be there for our second pick but it doesn't look likely. I think Bazzo will be there for either 29 or 35 if we want him. Just call it gut feel but with the reports of him not interviewing well and vic clubs looking at other talent I see him as the 8 or 9th tall off the board however he would be great for us, just ready to take on a major role as McGovern is retiring.

What are your thoughts delaying a tall and taking Polson. Never going to be an A grader but could be a solid B grader at CHB or FB

 

[ArdentEagle]

What are your thoughts delaying a tall and taking Polson. Never going to be an A grader but could be a solid B grader at CHB or FB

What about Noah Pegoraro?

 

[RanaNaved]

Did anyone actually watch the vid on GWS and Erasmus?

All they said was GWS are one of a number of clubs that like him. No shit, I reckon 18 clubs would like him.

 

[bh90210fan]

I wonder if we make a big play for Logan McDonald next year. If Sydney are dead set on Barrass we could draft a Charlie Dean and make it work. Jamieson might end up in the backline the way things are panning out anyway.

 

[paran]

DREAM:
Pick 10: JHF
Pick 29: Finn Callaghan
Pick 35: Erasmus
Pick 68: MJ

Dream:
Pick 10: Ward/Hobbs/Erasmus/MJ
Pick 29: Hough/Knevitt
Pick 35: Bazzo/Angus Beef/Dittmar
Pick 68: Bailey Rogers


Biggest Melt: Mac Andrew @ pick 10