List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Coasters7]

Last 3 years since the flag have been a killer in terms of list management. All our blokes have aged 3 years and we haven’t really had the opportunity to see them in full flight (much like life during covid, it’s kind of just phased by). Guys like Yeo were 25. Ryan and Willie 21/22. Such a waste.

Since then we’ve just drafted plodders, with the picks we did have, and traded away the rest for a good 3rd/4th mid who won’t be good enough to lead our midfield. Chesser is probably the only draft pick in 3 years I’ve been genuinely excited to see play, everyone else hasn’t fired a shot while they were here and then disappeared into the abyss

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Port racing you to the bottom.

I think we play them in a few weeks, so we can tank that one and get a gap.

 

[briztoon]

Port 18th.

 

[The wily weagle]

The way we draft, anyone would think that the midfield was the least important area of the ground

I am legitimately starting to wonder if our draft team even knows what a genuine inside midfielder looks like

 

[ROO DOGG]

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FYI briztoon

That's a lot of quality 27 and over, the cliff is looking very steep. Will be a long free fall before we bounce.

 

[Coasters7]

The way we draft, anyone would think that the midfield was the least important area of the ground

I am legitimately starting to wonder if our draft team even knows what a genuine inside midfielder looks like

We’ve drafted a few mids over the years but you’re never going to get the top tier ones unless you’re garbage for multiple years.

Quick look at the current top 3 and all have been absolutely shithouse for the best part of 15-20 years. I feel like we’ve been pretty solid over the years, even during our post 2007 years it didn’t last too long and we had a couple of random surges up the ladder sprinkled in. We’ve been very lucky to support who we do.

The clubs that are currently building, and have built, “dynasties” are all Victorian clubs that have been nowhere for a very long time. If that’s what it takes then no thanks. I’d rather the long list of memorable moments this club has provided me over the past 10 years alone than worrying about who we’re picking up on draft day

 

[Spooky17]

We’ve drafted a few mids over the years but you’re never going to get the top tier ones unless you’re garbage for multiple years.

Quick look at the current top 3 and all have been absolutely shithouse for the best part of 15-20 years. I feel like we’ve been pretty solid over the years, even during our post 2007 years it didn’t last too long and we had a couple of random surges up the ladder sprinkled in. We’ve been very lucky to support who we do.

The clubs that are currently building, and have built, “dynasties” are all Victorian clubs that have been nowhere for a very long time. If that’s what it takes then no thanks. I’d rather the long list of memorable moments this club has provided me over the past 10 years alone than worrying about who we’re picking up on draft day

There are different paths to the top.

Jokes aside, Geelong and Sydney are examples of teams in the last decade or so that have been up and about for extended periods and rarely bottom out for long.

I have faith we will return to finals in a couple of years.

 

[ROO DOGG]

There are different paths to the top.

Jokes aside, Geelong and Sydney are examples of teams in the last decade or so that have been up and about for extended periods and rarely bottom out for long.

I have faith we will return to finals in a couple of years.

While we still have Willie anything is possible, so classy the whole team plays better when he is in the side. Even with our crap team this week I'm looking forward to watching to see his impact.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

So far this is looking like a genius trade by our boys.

 

[ghostbat12]

The way we draft, anyone would think that the midfield was the least important area of the ground

I am legitimately starting to wonder if our draft team even knows what a genuine inside midfielder looks like

They do. But good ones only come with a single digit draft picks. That’s reality.Have a look at all top mids at all teams. Top 5-7. You don’t get an Oliver with a pick 53. I have genuine feeling people don’t understand that simple concept.

Later on, you get plodders who can’t play in multiple positions, a killer in modern game. That’s why they slide.

In our side, plodders can’t get a game because they are unlikely to displace shuey or yeo, for example. So they need to play another position.

We have drafted plenty of mids, inside mids. So not really sure what you are really talking about. But they came with very crap draft picks. Their draft pick number indicates there are flaws in their game that need to be overcome but have a weapon or two they can use as a basis. Anyway, odds are very low of success. That has been proven. You ‘can’, as there are always exceptions. But they are exceptions.

 

[ghostbat12]

And Rivers has a premiership medallion

Robertson is the next best mid after McLuggage, Neale, Lyon, Berry and Zorko. I believe he is loved at Brisbane but their list is way ahead of ours

I’m sorry but that doesn’t tell me anything. Tom cole has a medal and good for Robertson for being 6th in line. Makes me very warm about his ability.

By the way, 2 of those players brisbane gave up early to mid single digit draft picks. And how do you get those?

Getting hung up on late draft picks js a bit like being down for not winning the lottery, just because you spent $15 on a ticket where you have 1:5,000,000 chance of winning.

 

[JackOutback]

They do. But good ones only come with a single digit draft picks. That’s reality.Have a look at all top mids at all teams. Top 5-7. You don’t get an Oliver with a pick 53. I have genuine feeling people don’t understand that simple concept.

Later on, you get plodders who can’t play in multiple positions, a killer in modern game. That’s why they slide.

In our side, plodders can’t get a game because they are unlikely to displace shuey or yeo, for example. So they need to play another position.

We have drafted plenty of mids, inside mids. So not really sure what you are really talking about. But they came with very crap draft picks. Their draft pick number indicates there are flaws in their game that need to be overcome but have a weapon or two they can use as a basis. Anyway, odds are very low of success. That has been proven. You ‘can’, as there are always exceptions. But they are exceptions.

What draft number was Shuey, Yeo and Kelly? Or Fyfe, even?

 

[ghostbat12]

Port are getting mauled atm. Percentage is getting smashed as are them. That second round pick we got from them is looking better each week.

They have no forward line that doesn’t apply pressure, hardly surprising. Need 2 quick small forwards and another tall. Like Darling. Hint.

They are doing what we did prior to 2018, load up forward line with slow midifilders.

 

[Coasters7]

There are different paths to the top.

Jokes aside, Geelong and Sydney are examples of teams in the last decade or so that have been up and about for extended periods and rarely bottom out for long.

I have faith we will return to finals in a couple of years.

External factors to both of their sustained success as well. Geelong have drafted and traded well but get a very good ride by having a Vic schedule as well as GMHBA. That alone guarantees them finals every year at a minimum. Sydney had COLA which was bullshit as well. You have to either be shit for a long period of time or have a lot going for you. We should be glad we’re appearing in a GF once every 5 years given our real lack of bottoming out for extended periods and having the equal worst schedule/location issues

 

[dinnaz]

What draft number was Shuey, Yeo and Kelly? Or Fyfe, even?

All pretty much around 20. Yeo and fyfe improved dramatically so was more luck once in 5 years on their part.

 

[dinnaz]

External factors to both of their sustained success as well. Geelong have drafted and traded well but get a very good ride by having a Vic schedule as well as GMHBA. That alone guarantees them finals every year at a minimum. Sydney had COLA which was bullshit as well. You have to either be shit for a long period of time or have a lot going for you. We should be glad we’re appearing in a GF once every 5 years given our real lack of bottoming out for extended periods and having the equal worst schedule/location issues

Plus gws and gc pillaging the draft . And Free agency- Leading to the most mediocre dynasties in Richmond, Hawthorn & Sydney. No one else could get better and if they did their best players leave for a big vic club.

 

[The Passenger]

So far this is looking like a genius trade by our boys.

How long of a lifespan those from Port's 2021 drafting team have in the AFL will hinge pretty heavily on what Josh Sinn does over the next few years.

 

[Scotland]

I dont blame them for trading Kelly. We were going after another flag but it didn't work out. You have to have a crack while you can. Kelly also addressed a massive gap in midfielders we had at the time, imagine how bad we would have been if we didn't have him? Probably don't play finals in 2020, possibly finish bottom 4 in 2021 etc.

We overpaid. He wanted WC and only WC and was out of contract. And we gave up two firsts, and early second and a late second to get two thirds back.

It's not the worst trade in history in terms of value but it's shocking for relative bargaining position.

 

[FKASC]

How long of a lifespan those from Port's 2021 drafting team have in the AFL will hinge pretty heavily on what Josh Sinn does over the next few years.

Recruiters don’t seem to get turned over that often regardless of performance

 

[WCE_Phill]

There's a massive gap in midfields ages 22 to 27 and is a massive issue

We need to bring in a 2 to 3 decent midfielder through free agency or trade (with 1st and 2nd round off the table)

Our best 6 midfielders are 27 and over with Kelly being the youngest

As they retired, think we need some experience to come through and not relie on the young draftee

Do this smart and can be a short rebuild similar to 2008 to 2010 and potentially have a shot with an ageing Gov, Barrass, Sheer, Yeo and Kelly

I would be putting Darling and Gafff for trade.

Think Darling is not fitting in and Gaff to be doesn't give a shit and hasn't for 2 years. Now not going to get much but it will all help in the rebuild

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

There's a massive gap in midfields ages 22 to 27 and is a massive issue

We need to bring in a 2 to 3 decent midfielder through free agency or trade (with 1st and 2nd round off the table)

Our best 6 midfielders are 27 and over with Kelly being the youngest

As they retired, think we need some experience to come through and not relie on the young draftee

Do this smart and can be a short rebuild similar to 2008 to 2010 and potentially have a shot with an ageing Gov, Barrass, Sheer, Yeo and Kelly

I would be putting Darling and Gafff for trade.

Think Darling is not fitting in and Gaff to be doesn't give a shit and hasn't for 2 years. Now not going to get much but it will all help in the rebuild

It’s not going to happen but Freo would be wise to test Darling’s position. Freo are amassing a great midfield but need a target.

I could also see Gaff fitting in at Geelong. The shape of Corio Bay would really suit his running strength just like at Subiaco. Can imagine the Pieman meeting Wells. “Hi Stevie, roll over baby because it’s my turn”

Looking at the Doggies problems defensively, Barrass could be enough to tip them into an elite area. Not happening but I’d not worry with Harry replacing and Bazzo developing. I also saw enough of Bailey in the TAC (as it was called) playing as a KPD.

None of these will happen - purely speculation

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Why are people so happy to get rid of darling ?

Kennedy is done at the end of the year and the only other decent key forward we have is an injury prone Allen .

At least darling can be a foil for allen for a few years while guys like jwilliams and bazzo are developing.

I'm not convinced that either waterman or Dixon will be more than bit part players at afl level

We may not be contending but having senior players in all positions it a very important process in bringing through the next crop .

Its not like we are spoiled for talent coming through

 

[tigger_ferret]

Why are people so happy to get rid of darling ?

Kennedy is done at the end of the year and the only other decent key forward we have is an injury prone Allen .

At least darling can be a foil for allen for a few years while guys like jwilliams and bazzo are developing.

I'm not convinced that either waterman or Dixon will be more than bit part players at afl level

We may not be contending but having senior players in all positions it a very important process in bringing through the next crop .

Its not like we are spoiled for talent coming through

I think people see more value in draft picks than older players, however, I agree that having senior players to help bring through the young players is just as important (even if it is Darling who has some significant brain fades)

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Why are people so happy to get rid of darling ?

Kennedy is done at the end of the year and the only other decent key forward we have is an injury prone Allen .

At least darling can be a foil for allen for a few years while guys like jwilliams and bazzo are developing.

I'm not convinced that either waterman or Dixon will be more than bit part players at afl level

We may not be contending but having senior players in all positions it a very important process in bringing through the next crop .

Its not like we are spoiled for talent coming through

I don't think it's purely a crack at Darling. We need to replenish from he draft and for that we need draft currency so people are looking for anything we have of value to obtain that and Darling is one of the very few players that fits the bill of a player good enough to make an impact with enough of a career left.

 

[RookiePick]

Ports lose by 5.5 goals and move up 2 places on the ladder.

What a time to be alive!