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So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)
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Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 31/10/24) ...
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With Ashcroft looking like a top 5 draft pick and been tipped ready to play at the top level.
This makes it so much harder for Devon Roberton to get a look in.
I see on the weekend he played very well in the twos.
I really hope someone from the club is getting in his ear
 
Based on how Darling acted with the whole vaccine fiasco, I can't see him accepting a trade anywhere unless he wants it himself. Not that I think the club has the stomach to trade out any of our "guns".
 

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Who will be "Player X"?

The top 3 selections are tipped to be Ashcroft, Elijah Sardis, and George Warlord.


Here's some links, if anyone can find videos that can be directly embedded, post them here.





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Road to the Draft: Could this midfielder be another Clayton Oliver?

Cal Twomey and Nat Edwards take a look at the top three midfield prospects in this year's draft pool
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In a year where we are rubbish, there has to be something to look forward to. Half of our future (OA and Chesser) are sidelined with injury, while Barrass has been beast and Dugg is still learning to step up.

To get back to the flag window we're going to need one of these guys.

On first inspection, I like Sardis. I think the next big game style in the AFL will be speed and stacking your team with speedy players with good hand and foot skills.
 
WCE_Phill said:
I would do this in a heart beat

Trade 1 for 4, 22 and Bruhn

Trade 22, 25 (Port) and 37 for pick 16 and Roberton

Leaves us hitting the draft with 4, 16 and 19 along with Bruhn and Roberton

Thank you and good night
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Love your work, if Broadbent slides a little during the year we could potentially land him at 16 otherwise I'm pretty stoked with a draft of:

Hewett, Bevan, Hagan (23 tackles in 3 rounds of colts), Bruhn, Roberton.

With the aim of securing Tholstrup next year.

Bazzo Barrass Witherden
Duggan Edwards Hough
Chesser Clark Hagan
Tholstrup Allen Bruhn
Winder JWill 2023 (2nd Round)
Ruck (FA) Roberton Hewett

Bevan, ?, ?

Is looking like something to work with in a few years time.
 
WCE_Phill said:
I would do this in a heart beat

Trade 1 for 4, 22 and Bruhn

Trade 22, 25 (Port) and 37 for pick 16 and Roberton

Leaves us hitting the draft with 4, 16 and 19 along with Bruhn and Roberton

Thank you and good night
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That’s a great outcome and could gain traction as North and GWS are likely to target a key fwd ..


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A lot of people seem to forget when mentioning Clayton Oliver and Marcus Bontempelli that they weren't considered to go as high as they did initially. It wasn't until later in their final year, TAC Cup etc etc that they really started to capture the recruiters eyes and even then they were still considered to be bolters up the draft. Also when Dusty and Petracca were drafted they were also nowhere near the superstars they are today.

For his first four years Petracca was averaging 18 disposals and under a goal a game despite spending a bit of time forward.

For Dustys first four years he was averaging 22 disposals a game and just over a goal despite spending time forward.

With this i make my point.

It's easy to sit here now and claim by trading down the order we will still secure the mid we want and bank another pick but we may also be throwing away the opportunity to draft a superstar. I'm not against trading down IF we still walk away with a midfileder with A grade potential otherwise i'm not interested. If they have attributes that separate them from the rest of the class we need to trust our club to develop them.

Some stars take years to develop. For every Sam Walsh there are far more Petraccas and whilst it's fun to speculate now what we will do, until the carnival comes around and the VIC boys run around for a full year i'm not prepared to say there isn't any A grade talent up the top of the order we can afford not to select.

Oh and for the record, below are all the midfielders selected between 1-7 over 7 years between 2013 & 2019

It seems pretty obvious to me there has been plenty of top end talent, even in years where people said it was thin. Certainly a lot more within the 1-5 bracket than outside of it. Some of the guys between 2016 and 2019 drafts still have more upside and growth in them.

2013 AFL draft
Pick 2 Josh Kelly (A)
Pick 4 Marcus Bontempelli (A)
Pick 7 James Aish (C)

2014 AFL draft
Pick 2 Christian Petracca (A)
Pick 3 Angus Brayshaw (B)
Pick 5 Jordan De Goey (A)

2015 AFL draft
Pick 3 Callum Mills (A)
Pick 4 Clayton Oliver (A)
Pick 5 Darcy Parish (A)
Pick 7 Jacob Hopper (B)

2016 AFL draft
Pick 1 Andrew McGrath (B)
Pick 2 Tim Taranto (A)
Pick 3 Hugh McCluggage (A)
Pick 4 Will Setterfield (C)
Pick 5 Sam Petrevski Seton (C)

2017 AFL draft
Pick 1 Cameron Rayner (B)
Pick 2 Andrew Brayshaw (A)
Pick 3 Paddy Dow (C)
Pick 4 Luke Davies-Uniacke (B)
Pick 5 Adam Cerra (A)
Pick 7 Hunter Clark (B)

2018 AFL draft
Pick 1 Sam Walsh (A)
Pick 5 Connor Rozee (A)
Pick 7 Bailey Smith (A)

2019 AFL draft
Pick 1 Matt Rowell (A)
Pick 2 Noah Anderson (A)
Pick 4 Lachlan Ash (A)
Pick 5 Dylan Stephens (C)

The Robertsons, Bruhns & Carrolls of the competition are all enticing and i would be more than happy to try and secure them but not by splitting a top 5 pick. They would be the cherry on top for any deal and nothing more.

There's a reason club don't trade top 5 picks very often and if you go back over this period and look clubs who have traded a high pick, they don't end up with much better or they regret it all together (Beams, Weller).

The only time i'd say worked out for the team prepared to trade back was the Lions when they essentially traded Taranto for McCluggage and Berry and they only slipped back from 2 to 3 so that's hardly a risk at all. GWS were just hellbent on securing Taranto.

Unless we are offered an offer too good to refuse i'm less inclined to trade our top 5 pick and more inclined to back our recruiters in identifying and developing an A grade Midfielder.
 
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ThePuma #9 said:
A lot of people seem to forget when mentioning Clayton Oliver and Marcus Bontempelli that they weren't considered to go as high as they did initially. It wasn't until later in their final year, TAC Cup etc etc that they really started to capture the recruiters eyes and even then they were still considered to be bolters up the draft. Also when Dusty and Petracca were drafted they were also nowhere near the superstars they are today.
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I remember in mid-2009, can't remember when but I guess before the carnival, Sportingbet had a market on the number one pick and Kane Lucas was in the top 5.
 
Flarn Rarn said:
I remember in mid-2009, can't remember when but I guess before the carnival, Sportingbet had a market on the number one pick and Kane Lucas was in the top 5.
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Potentially but again i'd say you're correct and that's before the Carnival which is partly my point. Far too early in the year to say who will rise to the top by the end of it and players always shoot up the draft boards every single year after it.
 
Cornelius Roy said:
Love your work, if Broadbent slides a little during the year we could potentially land him at 16 otherwise I'm pretty stoked with a draft of:

Hewett, Bevan, Hagan (23 tackles in 3 rounds of colts), Bruhn, Roberton.

With the aim of securing Tholstrup next year.

Bazzo Barrass Witherden
Duggan Edwards Hough
Chesser Clark Hagan
Tholstrup Allen Bruhn
Winder JWill 2023 (2nd Round)
Ruck (FA) Roberton Hewett

Bevan, ?, ?

Is looking like something to work with in a few years time.
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I think Busslinger is a must Harry Edwards is not the answer to keep up with taller and faster forwards ..
Jedd Busslinger and Rhett Bazzo would make a great defensive spine for the next decade ..


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briztoon said:
I believe you missed the whole point of my post, and have focused on the anecdote.

Point: Lost years of development due to Covid. Potential for extra growth.

Anecdote: Wardlaw Rowell hypothetical comparison, “if” Wardlaw had not last two years to covid and had displayed that extra growth in his game.


I reckon you focus on the names mentioned, and not the actual discussion.
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It's a good debate, as I do think the Vic kids in this years draft are the most affected by the impact of not playing due to Covid. You can see it in them, they're taking time to build and I believe it won't be until the second half of this season where we get to see them truly shine. If they played the WA kids at the start of the season they'd get flogged, but play them later in the season it will be a even contest. Purely based on their confidence, match conditioning and understanding of playing competitive football again (that no amount of training can give you).

Had Wardlaw played the last two seasons, he might well have been Rowell like as a comparative. Although, Wardlaw doesn't seem to produce the numbers that Rowell does in a game and the goals for that matter. I think that part of the comparison is fair, because Wardlaw is playing against others that missed the same amount of footy.

As an Eagles supporter, and the fact we're going to have an early pick this year I'm a little annoyed as it could be the worst year to have an early pick.
 
Boots73 said:
With Ashcroft looking like a top 5 draft pick and been tipped ready to play at the top level.
This makes it so much harder for Devon Roberton to get a look in.
I see on the weekend he played very well in the twos.
I really hope someone from the club is getting in his ear
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It’s going to sh!t me no end if you keep misspelling his name.
 
eagles rule said:
I think Busslinger is a must Harry Edwards is not the answer to keep up with taller and faster forwards ..
Jedd Busslinger and Rhett Bazzo would make a great defensive spine for the next decade ..


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I'd love Busslinger as he would bean upgrade on Bazzo, but they play that same loose checking role so there's less room for both to fit in one team. Im thinking Busslinger will go top 5 so it's unlikely we jump at a position we actually have decent depth in.
 
Boots73 said:
With Ashcroft looking like a top 5 draft pick and been tipped ready to play at the top level.
This makes it so much harder for Devon Roberton to get a look in.
I see on the weekend he played very well in the twos.
I really hope someone from the club is getting in his ear
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Also its not just about getting in the senior side for Roberton .

Once he gets into the AFL side he is still down the pecking order for playing in the midfield.

You have all of Berry , Rayner , Bailey and Prior all wanting on ball time in their future not just wing/flank roles like they play ATM .

If Roberton came to us you would hope he would be in the midfield straight away.

Jaxon Prior at brissy is also another WA lad we should be targeting. Not as good at the contested stuff but better skills that Devon Roberton.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
All this talk about Devon Roberton, should we be looking at any of the other Lions from WA? Wouldn’t mind going after a Jackson Pryor or a Brendan Starsevic or even Kaylin Laine.
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eagles rule said:
I think Busslinger is a must Harry Edwards is not the answer to keep up with taller and faster forwards ..
Jedd Busslinger and Rhett Bazzo would make a great defensive spine for the next decade ..
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Harry Edwards is listed as 200cm.
How much taller do you want him to be to keep up with taller forwards?

HEdwards is very much the prototype of current/future key defenders.
 
maverick001 said:
You guys are missing the point. Of course it's not always going to be a case of the No.1 pick turning out to be the best player in the draft, and there may be many reasons why that is the case, e.g. injuries, poor development program at club, lack of application, player already matured, or the clubs could just fck it up. But its about maximising your opportunity to get a gun and minimising the risk of getting a spud, and the higher up the draft order the better these odds look. Over the course of time, you'll get a better strike rate out of No.1 picks than No.6, which will be better than No.11, and so on.
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Not missing the point at all, as most suggestions for splitting the pick suggest they would only do it if one of the picks coming back was 4 or 5. I think if you have a top five pick, you're almost certainly going to get a quality player.
 
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