List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Tugga27]

No, just an observation.

No worries.

Thought you might've been alludingthat he might pull the pin at the bye if he got the extra goals.

 

[THE A5]

This is not how it works.

All the flag winning teams have top 4 midfields....
To get those midfields, you typically need 2x top 5 picks...
Most players in the AFL are followers - they play well in top 4 sides, ok in middling sides, and like dogshit in bottom 4 sides....
The elite players are the ones who are elite given any circumstance, and they are critical in lifting bottom 4 sides up the ladder and into flag contention (Bont, Dusty, Cripps etc)....
So any team wanting to build towards a flags needs those 2x top 5 draft picks (and some)....
They rest are those follower players who ride the coattails of the elites.... when they are surround by some elite players in a good system they flourish.....

Our small or midsize defenders just don't matter right now. What is putting Yeo down there going to do? He's a midfield bull who is lacking match fitness. He's the guy, along with Kelly who will mentor and protect our soon to be acquired top 5 draft picks.

Meanwhile, Rotham and Witherden and Duggan are playing in a shit team with a recently broken game plan that is probably confusing because we are trying to break the mould Simmo set for 8 years.... Not easy. These are players who will probably come good.... once we have a fresh coach with fresh ideas and some elite talent coming through.

We're not going to fix our "small defender problem" by changing the small defender. We're going to change it by bring in new elite talent into the midfield and a fresh gameplan. And that's a few years away.

All we can do now is watch AO and Chesser develop, and maybe Dugg to realise he's now a leader and has to step up, and watch our newly acquired top 5 talent to develop. What's happening with our small defenders has f'all to do with f'all.

FYI I never said use a high picks on small/mid size defenders.
Yeo’s not going to be part of our next challenging midfield unit. It’s time we look to move him out and blood in the likes of Chessar/our first round pick into the unit.

Yeo’s tank has never been elite and since 2019 it’s been a shadow of it’s self(due to injuries). At 29/30 with close to 3 seasons out with injuries, I don’t trust him to get that tank back to where it was when he was in his prime. Next season we won’t have Hurn/shep for the first time in 8 odd season and the hole there is massive. I’ve seen enough of our small/mid size defenders (bar Duggan) to know that they won’t be anywhere close to elite.

 

[Campaigner for good]

I only heard of Culley an hour or so ago but if we don’t pick him in the mid season draft it’ll be an unforgivable stuffup and the final death knell for the club.

I had him going top 5 in the draft so I am rapt that we have a shot of getting him now!

*Apologies for the blatantly stolen West Coast boardism

 

[mattyc75]

Reality is we need him filling a spot and taking a tall defender.

No we dont,weve got other young kpfs.

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[mattyc75]

If we had a young tall forward waiting in the wings, then there might be some value in JK shuffling off early. But there's not. Allen is injured and Williams isn't ready, so he might as well take a tall defender, add to his tally and hopefully help us win a game or two to aid in young players' development.

In the wafl waterman plays closer to goals and kills it,hugh dixon is a forward. Theres absolutely no value having kennedy there with the delivery our midfield gives him
I'm a huge JK fan but the rebuild begins now

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[Futbolista]

Why don't you guys have a close look at Lance Collard (S). Has a shoulder injury now and won't be back for 4 weeks but he's a "mainly" outside elusive, quick runner with the silk. Does tackle chase and go inside when required but it's ability to burn off opponents that is impressive. One to keep an eye on. Obviously a lot of people also talking about Tyzreise Clark (S) (injured) and Malakai Champion (S). Let's see what eventuates.

 

[MrWoollie]

I think we've been conned with Dixon.

In a bottom 4 club, playing a position that said club has been trying to fill for over a decade (since Pav retired), he showed nothing and was cut.
The only decent game I've seen him play was a pre-season against his old mates.
Surely they wouldn't have zoned off him to make him look good, give him a bit of space so he could mark a few, kick a few and get picked up by the hated enemy? They wouldn't do that? Would they?

PS - I would.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I think we've been conned with Dixon.

In a bottom 4 club, playing a position that said club has been trying to fill for over a decade (since Pav retired), he showed nothing and was cut.
The only decent game I've seen him play was a pre-season against his old mates.
Surely they wouldn't have zoned off him to make him look good, give him a bit of space so he could mark a few, kick a few and get picked up by the hated enemy? They wouldn't do that? Would they?

PS - I would.

Played pretty well in our only win

 

[Schtinker]

I look at the cost of guys like Peter Wright, Jeremey Finlayson and Todd Marshall

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1.1

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7.1

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and the price teams paid for them. Missed opportunities?

 

[FKASC]

I look at the cost of guys like Peter Wright, Jeremey Finlayson and Todd Marshall and the price teams paid for them. Missed opportunities?

Marshall was a first round draft pick or close to it.

 

[Godfather32]

Marshall was a first round draft pick or close to it.

Just trade him for Scott Selwood

 

[FKASC]

Just trade him for Scott Selwood

I’ve missed a meme here haven’t I

 

[Godfather32]

I’ve missed a meme here haven’t I

007 came on here and tried to defend the recruiting department by claiming Scott Selwood as a good first round midfield selection, even though he was drafted 15 years ago in the second round

 

[FKASC]

007 came on here and tried to defend the recruiting department by claiming Scott Selwood as a good first round midfield selection, even though he was drafted 15 years ago in the second round

Yikes

 

[Godfather32]

Yikes

The next draft is in good hands though!

 

[Chump Change]

FYI I never said use a high picks on small/mid size defenders.

I know, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it's silly talking about our small defender situation because it really just doesn't matter at this point in time because of the reasons I mentioned.

2x top 5 picks will probably get us out of the hole we are in. Shuffling around small to medium size defenders will do nothing.

Yeo’s not going to be part of our next challenging midfield unit. It’s time we look to move him out and blood in the likes of Chessar/our first round pick into the unit.

Yeo’s tank has never been elite and since 2019 it’s been a shadow of it’s self(due to injuries). At 29/30 with close to 3 seasons out with injuries, I don’t trust him to get that tank back to where it was when he was in his prime. Next season we won’t have Hurn/shep for the first time in 8 odd season and the hole there is massive. I’ve seen enough of our small/mid size defenders (bar Duggan) to know that they won’t be anywhere close to elite.

You still have no idea. Are you not aware how simple the shit you think is?

You: "Let's trade this guy now that his trade value is lower than what he's worth".

here's the problem with trading Yeo... you said it yourself...... "I don't trust him"..... that's what the market things too. So how the truck are you going to get a decent price for him?

Do you know what people who are dumb arses think?

People who aren't dumb arses: "Let's trade Gov because he's in career best form" (yes I know he has a contract, but it's the same as the people who wanted to trade Priddis in 2016 and people who wanted to trade Gaff in 2019.

You have to try to trade players when their value is higher than what they're worth to us. Wanting to trade players when they hit rock bottom is short sighted.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

007 came on here and tried to defend the recruiting department by claiming Scott Selwood as a good first round midfield selection, even though he was drafted 15 years ago in the second round

So can we put 007 in charge of recruitment and have him draft Cousins and Kerr again or something?

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[Eastcoasteagle]

All the mid season draft talk on the draft board is about 193cm inside mid, Jai Culley from the Dandenong Stingrays.

Must've had a good game in the Colgate young guns game. I'm planning to watch it this week.
He had a good start to the nab league.

 

[Dylan82]

I look at the cost of guys like Peter Wright, Jeremey Finlayson and Todd Marshall and the price teams paid for them. Missed opportunities?

T.Marshall was pick 16 in 2016 and remains at the club who drafted him (Port).


P.Wright was pick 8 in 2014.
Managed 66 matches in 6 seasons at barely over a goal per game and missed the entirety of 2020 behind B.King and S.Day.
Was allegedly on over 500k per season - when he requested a trade to return to Victoria, Gold Coast were happy to send him out as a salary dump for effectively nothing so they could renew B.King, J.Lukosius and I.Rankine.

Essendon has done well out it on-field, a player in his second year with the club is averaging almost 3 goals a game this season for the price of a 4th round pick that wasn't going to be used anyway. Being comfortable with using that that much salary cap space on P.Wright is another matter.


J.Finlayson was a GWS academy player in 2014 that no other club placed a bid on.
Managed 66 matches in 5 seasons at less than 1.4 goals per game. Struggled with consistency and still hadn't nailed down a starting spot in the Giants' forward line after J.Cameron had left the club. Left the club's covid 'bubble' to return to NSW for the birth of his child, then refused to come back and demanded a trade request to go home to SA.

Crows were focused on securing J.Dawson and didn't bite - leaving Port as the only option who then proceeded to offer nothing more than a future 3rd round pick. GWS took the hit knowing they had J.Hogan on less money ahead of him anyway and used it as a means to free cap space and extend J.Kelly among others.


The two players above who did move, did so for little trade cost as they both had been in the system many years without much impact, had made requests to return to their home states and were on contracts far beyond their on-field worth.

Considering neither are from WA and the constraints upon the Eagles' salary cap, there was no opportunity to be missed here.

 

[Dylan82]

Just in regard to discussion about selling the on-field silverware to stock up on picks.

It's already too late. Any opposing club looking to make a deal picking over the rotting carcass of our list won't be offering anywhere near what we would consider value.

• He's the wrong side of 25...27...30...etc...
• If he was still that good, you wouldn't be placed where you are
• That injury history doesn't provide the confidence of making an offer that high
• His on-field output and metrics are no better than [insert crab]

Clubs at the foot of the table are prey for those at the top when it comes to player exchange.

 

[THE A5]

I know, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it's silly talking about our small defender situation because it really just doesn't matter at this point in time because of the reasons I mentioned.

2x top 5 picks will probably get us out of the hole we are in. Shuffling around small to medium size defenders will do nothing.




You still have no idea. Are you not aware how simple the shit you think is?

You: "Let's trade this guy now that his trade value is lower than what he's worth".

here's the problem with trading Yeo... you said it yourself...... "I don't trust him"..... that's what the market things too. So how the truck are you going to get a decent price for him?

Do you know what people who are dumb arses think?

People who aren't dumb arses: "Let's trade Gov because he's in career best form" (yes I know he has a contract, but it's the same as the people who wanted to trade Priddis in 2016 and people who wanted to trade Gaff in 2019.

You have to try to trade players when their value is higher than what they're worth to us. Wanting to trade players when they hit rock bottom is short sighted.

Never even mentioned trading Yeo so not sure why you’re ranting hard mate

 

[bzparkes]

Never even mentioned trading Yeo so not sure why you’re ranting hard mate

It's the vibe.

 

[briztoon]

Must've had a good game in the Colgate young guns game. I'm planning to watch it this week.
He had a good start to the nab league.

To be fair, he’s been the top over age performer in the NAB league this year, so his rating hasn’t just been based on that one game.

Talking to one of the RMC draft watchers, he said Culley would be in his top 20 this year, and mentioned his significant amount of improvement from last year.

So you would effectively be getting that big bodied, late first round mid, like a Jarrod Berry or Powell-Pepper (but a better user of the football), that a lot of clubs look for after the top end players have gone.

Pretty much what you’d want from a mid season draft, if you weren’t looking for a KPP.

 

[Chump Change]

Never even mentioned trading Yeo so not sure why you’re ranting hard mate

Fair point - sorry, i misread.

But it just goes back to where we were before - plugging holes in the backline is the not where the root of the problem is, so it's a waste of time.

We are well and proper FUBAR'd. Our midfield has nothing and we have no young kids. Yeo is simply not match fit, so it's not really a "matter of trust". He's been out for a few years, had an interupted pre-season, and he's not yet match fit. Chesser, as far as I know is out for the year and would probably start on half back or wing anyway. The other young players just don't cut it and aren't going to be long term prospects.

So going forward, assuming we spend our draft picks on some top end young mids, they're going to need some support in the middle. That's pretty much Yeo and Kelly and Sheed (assuming we don't trade any of them).

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Just watched first half of the Colgate young guns game, fck me Jai Culley is a beast!
If we don't take him in the mid season draft, storm Lathlain.
Kicked 4.1 from the midfield in a half, not resting fwd from the midfield. Goals from 55m out that went over the back fence.
Tackles hard and fierce in the contest.
His kicking over 15 to 20 isn't great, but that's because he has a laser cannon and once he gets to use it hits targets lace out over 35m plus. Short kicks don't suit him.
Took a ball in the centre circle and hit the leading fwd lace out at the top of the goalsquare. This guy's long kicking is a standout.
I don't remember him being being this good last season.

He moves well too for his size and good overhead. We simply have to open a spot on our list for mid-season draft and get this guy in.
Rarely rate a guy after a half, but he's exactly what we need and his nab league form backs it up.