List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[dinnaz]

If wardlaw was 188cm instead of 182cm he would almost certainly be considered a consensus number 1 pick. But as players seem to be getting bigger and bigger he is very small for an inside mid and already quite physically developed. It's why I don't have him in my top 3.

Its not even that. He's just not good enough to be no1.
Rowell is only 180, Walsh 184 similar heights.

Wardlaw is a tackling machine and hard nut. Definitely a great guy to have on your team as he has that good 2 way balance.
-But only gets 20 possessions a game.
These other top tier midfielders are all 30+ at the same time, at the same level.

For a real rough example: Rowell averages 20 disposals a game playing largely the same role this year at AFL as Wardlaw does. Scaled down in comparison thats 14 for Wardlaw at AFL level. (Now Wardlaw has had some niggles I think and has played fwd a little bit too rather than on ball all day so its probably not a perfect comparison)

True top tier players have to have it all. Generally they are your skilful playmakers(whitfield) or have goal kicking ability (Dusty), (Petracca) or are absolutely dominant (Max King, Rowell)

Unless he turns it on in the second half of the year I personally expect to see him go after the true top tier players (7or 8) placing him in that next tier down.

 

[Dark Sharks]

It's a moot point as we won't have the number one pick gaiz. We aren't finishing last.

We'll get pick 2 or 3, now fight me.

Besides, is a spoon added to our team history, forever to be flung back in our face by oppo supporters really worth getting pick 1? I'm not sure i want it myself.

 

[Chump Change]

It's a moot point as we won't have the number one pick gaiz. We aren't finishing last.

We'll get pick 2 or 3, now fight me.

Besides, is a spoon added to our team history, forever to be flung back in our face by oppo supporters really worth getting pick 1? I'm not sure i want it myself.

Big call.

I'm not confident we'll win another game. I have us monties for bottom 2. We play Giants in 2 weeks. They'll do us by 10 which will put them 2 games and percentage ahead. I think Essendon will win more than 5 games.

I think it's between us and Norf.

 

[Obeanie1]

Whats the next level for him?
He is largely doing what he did last year as an 18 yr old, couple of goals a game + lead up the ground + take a few ruck contests.
He"ll never have the pace, or reach to truly 1 up the competition week in week out.
Im thinking most effectively he can be a bit like a Hawkins like stay at home fwd where his strengh 1on1 is a main weapon. A real finisher.
Means we still ideally need to find a real mobile key fwd/3rd tall.

Joel Jeffrey fits that need nicely.

Waterman with JK and Darling gone?

Pick 1 on a 3rd tall forward? The melts.......oh the melts.

 

[EdCurnowRules]

I want us to keep the top pick should that come to pass, gain a couple of high quality fringe mids from other clubs that will make the grade straight away for **** all, ace ports second rounder and ace our own second rounder...

Is that too much to ask?

 

[Goldfish]

Whats the next level for him?
He is largely doing what he did last year as an 18 yr old, couple of goals a game + lead up the ground + take a few ruck contests.
He"ll never have the pace, or reach to truly 1 up the competition week in week out.
Im thinking most effectively he can be a bit like a Hawkins like stay at home fwd where his strengh 1on1 is a main weapon. A real finisher.
Means we still ideally need to find a real mobile key fwd/3rd tall.

He's still a kid - you could see that in all the photos when drafted and in the game he was too raw to play against North. There is certainly a lot of potential there and a few years of strength and conditioning in an AFL system (ignoring the pink elephant in the corner being our S&C team) and he could be anything.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Think we could do worse than going after Paddy Dow

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25

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83kg

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7.0

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7.1

4star

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2.1

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2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

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7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

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0.0

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12.4

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5.8

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6.6

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1.6

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at the end of a year as DFA or walk to PSD threat from Carlton for a bag of chips.

Putting in some impressive VFL performances and really needs to be played inside mid to be able to play his game which has zero chance of at Carlton.

Only 22 and doing 30+ disposals a week in VFL. At the very least he adds solid depth at beagles putting pressure on main list to perform.

How many of our AFL listed players are going back and dominating WAFL week in, week out?

 

[Chump Change]

I want us to keep the top pick should that come to pass, gain a couple of high quality fringe mids from other clubs that will make the grade straight away for fu** all, ace ports second rounder and ace our own second rounder...

Is that too much to ask?

Yes it is.

Well it's not that it's too much, it's just short sighted. Do you not understand how the draft works?

 

[shooshka]

Yeah we are really going to hoodwink the other clubs into thinking these couple of below average players are worth top ten picks … maybe the hundred and tens

If a top 10 pick is very limited value to you then I'm glad you aren't involved in our list management.

The reality is Waterman would be of interest to a few sides in the 50-70 pick range as a trade, possibly Nelson too.

Unless a senior figure at the club implies that they will be delisted, in which case they may just wait to grab them for free.

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[briztoon]

Think we could do worse than going after Paddy Dow at the end of a year as DFA or walk to PSD threat from Carlton for a bag of chips.

Putting in some impressive VFL performances and really needs to be played inside mid to be able to play his game which has zero chance of at Carlton.

Only 22 and doing 30+ disposals a week in VFL. At the very least he adds solid depth at beagles putting pressure on main list to perform.

How many of our AFL listed players are going back and dominating WAFL week in, week out?

lol what!

Forget the go home factor. Dow has a serious case of being drafted to the wrong post code.

Dow cried on stage when he was drafted by Carlton, because he’s a die hard North fan and was hoping North would draft him.

 

[briztoon]

Think we could do worse than going after Paddy Dow at the end of a year as DFA or walk to PSD threat from Carlton for a bag of chips.

Putting in some impressive VFL performances and really needs to be played inside mid to be able to play his game which has zero chance of at Carlton.

Only 22 and doing 30+ disposals a week in VFL. At the very least he adds solid depth at beagles putting pressure on main list to perform.

How many of our AFL listed players are going back and dominating WAFL week in, week out?

And the VFL has a very wide gap between the good teams and poor teams. Even wider than what we see at AFL level.

Also, don’t trade for depth. Surest way to stay sh!t for years.

 

[Goroyals22]

If a top 10 pick is very limited value to you then I'm glad you aren't involved in our list management.

The reality is Waterman would be of interest to a few sides in the 50-70 pick range as a trade, possibly Nelson too.

Unless a senior figure at the club implies that they will be delisted, in which case they may just wait to grab them for free.

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who said a top ten pick was limited value?
Nelson isn't worth anything to anyone.
Waterman? maybe a pick in the 80s, which unless we delist as we should about 15 players isn't worth anything bar making people like you feel good that we got something for rubbish.

 

[ziad]

Joel Jeffrey fits that need nicely.

Waterman with JK and Darling gone?

Pick 1 on a 3rd tall forward? The melts.......oh the melts.

Not quite clear if you see waterman staying of gone the J's. Waterman isn't an AFL player and has no place in the team, he isn't a decent footballer, lacks awareness, suffers from muddled thinking and his disposal is atrocious. He isn't big enough to play as a key, lacks defensive skills and lacks the intent to work hard to play any position. He is one of the anointed losers holding back the club.

 

[dkalphy]

Kennedy announced on Schofields podcast that this seasons is his last. knees are cooked.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

And the VFL has a very wide gap between the good teams and poor teams. Even wider than what we see at AFL level.

Also, don’t trade for depth. Surest way to stay sh!t for years.

I'm not proposing we trade anything of value, ideally get him as a DFA at the end of the year as I think he's out of contract. The club has and has had a large problem with complacent senior players in recent years due to lack at anyone knocking the door down at WAFL level. This at least goes towards helping that issue and I think what he's bringing to the table in terms of application is ahead of a number players on our list currently.

He'd be battling at North as well with Simpkin, LDU, Phillips, Powell to play his role. As we continue to decline surely there's appeal to some of these younger players in having a greater likelihood of getting AFL game time. Or stay in your home state and pay VFL until you get delisted.

We're a club who has previously carried guys on our list like I guess the question is, is he a player that can't get opportunity or are the flaws in his parts of his game too great (ie. Constable)?

 

[bh90210fan]

Not quite clear if you see waterman staying of gone the J's. Waterman isn't an AFL player and has no place in the team, he isn't a decent footballer, lacks awareness, suffers from muddled thinking and his disposal is atrocious. He isn't big enough to play as a key, lacks defensive skills and lacks the intent to work hard to play any position. He is one of the anointed losers holding back the club.

Yeah, nah

 

[dkalphy]

Did i read somewhere that Karl freaking Amont is going to give PA an end of first rounder for losing him to RFA?

Did i hear this right, there is no way a guy by the name of Karl is worth that much. This is what is wrong with the AFL, it's a joke of a league.

Why is it every time we get a top pick something like this happens? Let me cast your minds back to 2010, we finally win a wodden spoon and think we're getting pick #1, then Gold Coast bloody enter the league and get the first 3 picks.

Like out of all the years to bring in an expansion club, the AFL bring one in the year we get pick #1. This is what i mean when i say Vic bias and the league is rigged.

 

[VicBased]

Kennedy announced on Schofields podcast that this seasons is his last. knees are cooked.

A very wise decision indeed. I hope he enjoys his retirement.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not quite clear if you see waterman staying of gone the J's.

You’d really need a translation function, if it wasn’t for the fact that every time you post about Waterman it can just be assumed to be “Waterman bad footballer, he go now”.

 

[dinnaz]

Joel Jeffrey fits that need nicely.

Waterman with JK and Darling gone?

Pick 1 on a 3rd tall forward? The melts.......oh the melts.

Something like Buddy who is a great 3rd tall would be worth it

 

[Avalor]

Not quite clear if you see waterman staying of gone the J's. Waterman isn't an AFL player and has no place in the team, he isn't a decent footballer, lacks awareness, suffers from muddled thinking and his disposal is atrocious. He isn't big enough to play as a key, lacks defensive skills and lacks the intent to work hard to play any position. He is one of the anointed losers holding back the club.

He obviously took a lick of your icecream.

 

[DanWCE]

When's the mid season draft and who is standing out as a real target for us to bolster the midfield?

Nisbett alluded to several players being unlikely to play again this year due to injury, so it sounds as though we are clearing a spot for at least one pick. Suggested we wouldn't be asking JK or Hurn to retire early (which doesn't rule them out from doing it themselves)

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

We'd have to have the largest list of any AFL club at the moment with all the LTI replacements we've added. If we add more in the mid-season draft, the list clearing at the end of the year will be record breaking.

 

[WCErevival]

When's the mid season draft and who is standing out as a real target for us to bolster the midfield?

Nisbett alluded to several players being unlikely to play again this year due to injury, so it sounds as though we are clearing a spot for at least one pick. Suggested we wouldn't be asking JK or Hurn to retire early (which doesn't rule them out from doing it themselves)

The only way I see JK leaving early is if Allen comes back.

 

[DanWCE]

The only way I see JK leaving early is if Allen comes back.

I think Allen is top of the pile to be put on ice for the year, so that seems very unlikely.