List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Altum Volantes]

Contracted until the end of 2022 (18) :

• Luke Shuey (2/6/90) - Signed a 4 year extension (2019,2020,2021,2022) on an existing contract set to expire 2018 in June 2017.
• Willie Rioli (4/6/95) - Signed a 2 year extension (2021,2022) on an existing contract set to expire 2020 in May 2019
• Nic Naitanui (4/5/90) - Signed 3 year extension (2020,2021,2022) in June 2019.
• Bailey Williams (17/4/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2021,2022) on an existing contract set to expire 2020 in August 2019
• Alex Witherden (10/9/98) - Signed a 2 year contract (2021,2022,) in November 2020*
• Isiah Winder (16/05/02) - Automatic 2 year contract when drafted in December 2020
• Jackson Nelson (15/3/96) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in May 2021*
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in May 2021*
• (R) Zane Trew (26/4/02)- Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in May 2021*
• Jack Redden (9/12/90) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in September 2021
• (R) Jamaine Jones (29/9/98) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) as a rookie in October 2021
• (R) Connor West (7/5/99) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) as a rookie in October 2021
• Shannon Hurn (4/9/87) – Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in November 2021
• Josh Kennedy (25/8/87) - Signed a 1 year extension (2022) in November 2021
• (R) Hugh Dixon (26/2/99) - signed as a SSP selection in March 2022
• (R) - Tom Joyce (7/3/00) - signed as a SSP selection in March 2022
• (R) - Patrick Naish (15/1/99) - signed as a SSP selection in March 2022
• (R) - Luke Strnadica (1/1/98) - signed as a SSP selection in March 2022
  (R) - Jai Culley (24/2/03) - drafted via Mid season draft 2022

How brutal will we be?

JK and Hurn will retire at the absolute minimum.

Some big calls will need to be made.

I’ll have a ping.

I’m at 50/50 (took off Culley as he has a deal for next year).

Staying:
Luke Shuey - Should retire, will get another year.
Willie Rioli - Retain - but genuine flight risk if he gets other offers - and I think the club would look at a decent trade (Richmond hold North’s 2nd..)
Bailey Williams - Retain
Alex Witherden - Retain
Jackson Nelson - Will be retained (for better or worse)
Callum Jamieson - Retain
Connor West - Retain
Patrick Naish - Retain
Luke Strnadica - Retain

Going:
Nic Naitanui - Will depart in Free Agency on a 2 year deal.
Isiah Winder - Delist (may get another year, but I think he’s probably not making it)
Zane Trew - Delist
Jack Redden - Retire
Jamaine Jones - Delist (if not now, when?)
Shannon Hurn - Retire
Josh Kennedy - Retire
Hugh Dixon - Delist
Tom Joyce - Delist

History suggests there will be another few we don’t see coming, from contracted guys (Cripps, Langdon, Petrucelle, Waterman, Rotham, O’Neill) who won’t be around next year (whether traded or nudged out).

Put Elliot Yeo on retirement watch too - he’s taken a month to come back from a concussion…

Given we’ve added players via SPS and mid season draft, I assume the above list will free up about 5-6 spots?

 

[Cuzz09]

I dunno if anyone was chasing Jake rather than us putting his name on the trade table as rumours.

I for one think he can be a valuable player. In a side with decent mids he can be the Ash Hansen/Tom Lynch (Adel) link man we need coming out of d50

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[Get_The_Gaff]

They have screwed us over with Ebert and hot Lycett for free (end of R1 was ok compo) so happy to get revenge on go home players

I’d give them back their second rounder

He is contracted. We have no play on him except appeasing port .

So a big no from me .

 

[The wily weagle]

Nic Nat is a WA boy, the clubs favourite son, and has a baby on the way

No way he is relocating

 

[Cuzz09]

Nah cant see Nic leaving.

Hope Winder and Jones get another go just get their (and everyones) bodies right.

To be honest not 1 player has had a clean run at things injury/niggle/virus wise

Need some luck

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[southcoast]

Not that I think it would happen, but I cannot see any reason to pay approx $500 000 for the last part of the year to play for someone else, regardless of getting a late first rounder.

If they want him, pay for him.

And, if all goes according to plan for the receiving club, them walking away with millions spent in premiership celebrations by long suffering members.

Nah, not for me.

 

[the harry]

I would be shocked if there are not some people within the club (including players) who would not lose sleep if Darling went East.

Say what you will about free choices and all that but his summer will still have left some with a sour taste.

I know he's a WA boy and all, but it isn't like he's got all the good stuff from being a WA native like Gov and NN. He's been polarising for most of his career (at least since 2015).

Think getting out of the fish bowl, like GWS, wouldn't be a bad move for either party.

 

[Obeanie1]

Must have been East Freo then.

Your wrong.

AFL Trade Whispers: Contracted Eagle to stay despite ample rival interest; top-10 Blue’s future ‘up in the air’

‘Frustrated’ Eagle attracts ample interest; Blues star’s future uncertain: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Chump Change]

Your wrong.

AFL Trade Whispers: Contracted Eagle to stay despite ample rival interest; top-10 Blue’s future ‘up in the air’

‘Frustrated’ Eagle attracts ample interest; Blues star’s future uncertain: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Lol, it was a joke. Calm your farm bro.

 

[Obeanie1]

I’ll have a ping.

I’m at 50/50 (took off Culley as he has a deal for next year).

Staying:
Luke Shuey - Should retire, will get another year.
Willie Rioli - Retain - but genuine flight risk if he gets other offers - and I think the club would look at a decent trade (Richmond hold North’s 2nd..)
Bailey Williams - Retain
Alex Witherden - Retain
Jackson Nelson - Will be retained (for better or worse)
Callum Jamieson - Retain
Connor West - Retain
Patrick Naish - Retain
Luke Strnadica - Retain

Going:
Nic Naitanui - Will depart in Free Agency on a 2 year deal.
Isiah Winder - Delist (may get another year, but I think he’s probably not making it)
Zane Trew - Delist
Jack Redden - Retire
Jamaine Jones - Delist (if not now, when?)
Shannon Hurn - Retire
Josh Kennedy - Retire
Hugh Dixon - Delist
Tom Joyce - Delist

History suggests there will be another few we don’t see coming, from contracted guys (Cripps, Langdon, Petrucelle, Waterman, Rotham, O’Neill) who won’t be around next year (whether traded or nudged out).

Put Elliot Yeo on retirement watch too - he’s taken a month to come back from a concussion…

Given we’ve added players via SPS and mid season draft, I assume the above list will free up about 5-6 spots?

Yeo just played his 2nd WAFL gaming coming back from concussion. He needs to build fitness.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lol, it was a joke. Calm your farm bro.

I'm calm as.

How u doin?

 

[Chump Change]

I'm calm as.

How u doin?

Cool as a cucumber.

 

[twce13]

Think you misuderstood the post.
As an example, Doggies identify a gap in their list and trade mid year. E.g. McGovern. Suddenly they're pushing for a flag.
A week after mid-year trade finishes, Dees lose Steven May and have to play some c-grade back up instead.

See the issue? Doggies have an incomplete list coming into the season so get to plug their hole at the mid year trade. Dees have their list compromised and are given no opportunity to plug the hole other than through players already on their list.

Nothing in my post alluding to poaching players clubs don't want to lose.

I think this is why a cap hit would have to occur with the new club. Otherwise it's a serious loophole to the cap which is in place to keep teams from forming an imbalance team compared to the rest of the league.

I think a trade period in mid-season is a fine idea, all teams at the top have the opportunity to be aggressive. And it can help teams at the bottom expedite the rebuild.

My biggest gripe with it tho stems from the root of many problems in the afl and that is it would mostly benefit melbourne teams, with more then half thr league located at the same location players will be more willing to freely move without impact mid season.

Moving your family across the country in an instant not so easy.

Afl isn't a national sport. It should be but it's not.

 

[ziad]

Our biggest problem is bad tallen identification - the good ones we darft are generally by luck as lower picks. This has been killing us for years. Nisbett's son is obviously hopeless, does he have any daughters?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I’ll have a ping.

I’m at 50/50 (took off Culley as he has a deal for next year).

Staying:
Luke Shuey - Should retire, will get another year.
Willie Rioli - Retain - but genuine flight risk if he gets other offers - and I think the club would look at a decent trade (Richmond hold North’s 2nd..)
Bailey Williams - Retain
Alex Witherden - Retain
Jackson Nelson - Will be retained (for better or worse)
Callum Jamieson - Retain
Connor West - Retain
Patrick Naish - Retain
Luke Strnadica - Retain

Going:
Nic Naitanui - Will depart in Free Agency on a 2 year deal.
Isiah Winder - Delist (may get another year, but I think he’s probably not making it)
Zane Trew - Delist
Jack Redden - Retire
Jamaine Jones - Delist (if not now, when?)
Shannon Hurn - Retire
Josh Kennedy - Retire
Hugh Dixon - Delist
Tom Joyce - Delist

History suggests there will be another few we don’t see coming, from contracted guys (Cripps, Langdon, Petrucelle, Waterman, Rotham, O’Neill) who won’t be around next year (whether traded or nudged out).

Put Elliot Yeo on retirement watch too - he’s taken a month to come back from a concussion…

Given we’ve added players via SPS and mid season draft, I assume the above list will free up about 5-6 spots?

We should get rid of both witherden and Nelson.

Nelson is just not good enough

Witherden is too slow to defend and too slow at moving the ball . A massive reason we can't get a fast break rebound . Just a stat padder

Rotham is the same as witherden in regards to moving the ball . He at least has foot speed all we need to do is train him to use his attributes. Also he is contracted

Duggan needs to get over his knee injury and have a full pre season . Send him for surgery now

Hurn retire

Next years defence

B cole barrass Jones
HB rotham McGovern Duggan

Bench/next in line - Foley hough Edwards

This back 6 actually has some leg speed

 

[Chump Change]

I think this is why a cap hit would have to occur with the new club. Otherwise it's a serious loophole to the cap which is in place to keep teams from forming an imbalance team compared to the rest of the league.

I think a trade period in mid-season is a fine idea, all teams at the top have the opportunity to be aggressive. And it can help teams at the bottom expedite the rebuild.

My biggest gripe with it tho stems from the root of many problems in the afl and that is it would mostly benefit melbourne teams, with more then half thr league located at the same location players will be more willing to freely move without impact mid season.

Moving your family across the country in an instant not so easy.

Afl isn't a national sport. It should be but it's not.

There's a another issue with. It's midseason and Swans think they can win the flag is they add player X. They got to player X and Say, hey, we're close but if you came in we think we can win it.

Other teams risk losing players because a flag might be 11 rounds away. Every year clubs are waiting for which other clubs' players they raid to try and win the flag.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Here's a fun potential mid-season trade scenario:
Bulldogs trade their 1st rd pick for Darling + McGovern. Handshake agreement to trade both back in the end of season trade period for a token pick.

Eagles gain a 1st round pick and improve chances of not climbing off the bottom.
Bulldogs boost chances of flag.
Darling & Gov potentially win flag.

Now imagine several finals aspirants raiding several wooden spoon contenders in a similar manner. Talk about a compromised competition!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It wouldn't gut any team. At all.

The player is under contract so the club doesn't trade unless they want to.

That’s the point though. Teams at the bottom would have an incentive to cash in. Get draft picks, strengthen their chances of losing games to improve their own picks, and remove salary from their books. Happy days.

Imagine if we said, oh we are screwed, let’s trade gov (let’s assume gov wants to win and says yes) to the saints/blues to solve their backline issues he’s 30 and on big $’s. We’ll get back their first pick.

Saints jump up into premiership contenders, we lock in wooden spoon. Win win all round. Except for us being absolutely unwatchable.

 

[Schtinker]

Maybe this new "what if" scenario of trading player A in the Mid Season Trade could have it's own thread as it's not likely to happen in 2022.

 

[Ishmael_]

This disappoints me. It hardly helps anything to start up petitions to get a player delisted. People need something else in their lives if they think this will do anything to help the club. Delist yourself pls petition starter.

It's shit like this that makes me roll my eyes when posters get a little bit too precious when the board goes too hard on a player.

A bunch of football dorks using stupid nicknames on an obscure platform like this isn't an issue.

Losers abusing players on personal or club IG/Facebook pages is where it gets ugly.

2/10 petition tbh, sif you go Nelson - zero creativity. Witherden's a much funnier option.

 

[ArdentEagle]

We have far bigger list issues than Waterman. I just don't get the hate.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We have far bigger list issues than Waterman. I just don't get the hate.

At least no one’s started a petition to delist him yet.

 

[ziad]

We have far bigger list issues than Waterman. I just don't get the hate.

not sure where the idea of hate comes from? watermans competancies are not at an AFL standard after several seasons. Its just simple - get rid of him, not him alone, with all that are not up to it and replace them with better players. Thats the only way to improve.

 

[ArdentEagle]

At least no one’s started a petition to delist him yet.

I'm very surprised actually. Really thought that ziad would have by now

 

[Mattman93]

I don't care what we have to do, but we need to draft Reuben Ginbey.

Been watching juniors for a long time, and this is a kid that wont be first picked but will end up close to best player in this draft.
Very similar to Carltons Cripps in his draft.

When he plays half back he is very very good one on one, is strong tough and always tackles.
he is lightning quick and a good kick of the footy

He goes into the middle and he has that power burst no one can stop.

Just love this kid get Beau Waters vibes from him oozes leadership players walk taller around him.

If we can get him with our second pick it would be a bargain.

Except Cripps was reliably getting 20-40 touches at Colts level in his draft year. The most Ginbey has ever managed is 12.

I have never seen him play and had never heard of him until now, but there's one decent prima facie objection to your assessment. Thoughts?