List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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[Monocle]

Just as an example of how much things can change between mid year and November, here’s the Draft board’s resident experts’ phantom draft from July 2017: BigFooty Official - 2017 Big Footy Phantom Draft .....Trial Run (Starts Monday 9am)

Top five was LDU, Cerra, Rayner, Sutherland (ended up choosing cricket), Stephenson.

Andrew Brayshaw who ended up going pick 2 and is probably the best of the bunch, was at 21 in July.

Brander at 11, Petch at 14, Allen at 23, Ainsworth at 26.

And even though they went into the 90s, Tim Kelly, who was apparently such a sure thing we should have drafted him a year or three earlier, didn’t get a mention. And they didn’t limit it to the junior class - Jye Bolton, Haiden Schloithe and Liam Ryan (down at 73) were all picked.

Anyway, what was my point? Oh, that’s right. Stay out of my booze!

Thanks for that bump Miguel, on reflection I am pretty ******* happy with that haul, if I don't say so myself.

10. Lochie O'Brien not a total bust but lucked out on this pick.
27. Sam Taylor ... reckon I nailed this one
45. Bailey Banfield... got slagged on for this pick, certainly not a bust and for a pick at 45 he has been serviceable, he ain't no Ainsworth.
63. Tom De Konning .... absolute steal with this pick, TDK is going to have a very good career .
81. Christian Amerdiri ........ total bust didn't even get drafted.


In Summary.

Nailed the tall's with Taylor and TDK.
Got a serviceable flanker / utility.
Screwed up on the mids.

Hey just a duplication of what RO'B does every year............ just call me Sausage Roll .......... not the Pie Man.

Jokes aside, of course things change significantly from July to November, as I have always maintained lots of water to flow under the bridge before some clarity emerges at the latter point of the season.

 

[WCE_phil]

After watching the champs game between SA and the allies Philippou impressed but wasn't imposing.

I thought Keeler was easily best on ground. A few more games like that and he will shoot to the top 5 mark.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Tanking for (or just earning) pick 1, a history:
2006 - Carlton took Gibbs, a consensus #1 in a supposed super draft. He was decent. Boak (#5) and Selwood (#7) ended up better, probably among others
2007 - Carlton took Kreuzer, a consensus #1. Cotchin’s had a better career. As has Dangerfield (#10)
2008 - Melbourne took Watts. HAHAHAHAHA
2009 - Melbourne took Scully. Martin (#3) a standout from that draft, along with Cunnington (#5), obviously Fyfe later.
2010 - Gold Coast took Swallow, a consensus #1. He’s been good. Gaff (#4), Heppell (#8), Prestia (#9) have probably had similar careers.
2011 - GWS took Patton. Not even the best player they took in the top 10, Coniglio (#2) and Haynes (#7) are ahead of him.
2012 - GWS took Whitfield. Arguably justified in hindsight, but Wines (#7) just won a Brownlow, plus Grundy slipped all the way to 18.
2013 - GWS took Boyd. Kelly went at 2 and Bont at 4. Next.
2014 - Saints took McCartin. No one could have foreseen his concussion issues but Petracca (#2) was always a more obvious choice.
2015 - Carlton took Weitering. Oliver went #4 and Parish went #5.
2016 - Essendon took McGrath from an evenly ranked field. The next two guys, Taranto and McCluggage, would probably go higher in a redraft.
2017 - Brisbane took Rayner. Looking decent, but Brayshaw (#2) and Naughton (#9) would be ahead of him now.
2018 - Carlton took Walsh. The King brothers and Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

would all have claims to #1 now.
2019 - Gold Coast took Rowell. Looked like a generational talent, but has been slowed by injuries.
2020 - Bulldogs matched a bid on JUH. Adelaide then picked Thilthorpe. Early days but not sure either goes #1 on a redraft.
2021 - North took JHF. Looked like a generational talent. Already doesn’t look like working out for North.

What’s the moral of the story? I forget. Oh wait … yes, we need some top level talent. But we don’t necessarily need pick 1. The odds overwhelmingly are it won’t end up being the best player anyway. So there’s no point hoping for a spoon and pick 1. Hope that whatever pick we get (and it’s not going to be any lower than pick 3, let’s be honest), we nail it.

 

[Monocle]

After watching the champs game between SA and the allies Philippou impressed but wasn't imposing.

I thought Keeler was easily best on ground. A few more games like that and he will shoot to the top 5 mark.

Whilst not imposing I thought Phillipou was very clean, one touch and showed poise and class, kid has X factor IMO.

Keeler great game..... kids a tease, if he gets it all together and plays concentrated football for 100 minutes a game, he could be the best of this draft cohort.... he is yet to do that and until he does questions will remain as to just where he lies in the draft order.

Could be something really special, if it all clicks for him at the next level.

 

[Turboman1994]

So North have consistently drafted on best available rather than need lately. They've also been whacked for doing so and it's been identified as a source of their current woes by the media(the fact that those best available haven't developed as projected at North seems to being ignored for now) and linked rightly or wrongly to the mass walkout of their recruitment staff.


Does this cause them to rethink their approach this year? They need pretty much everything, but most pressingly they need KPDs. Presumably first they'll drag the old warchest out and try their luck luring a top young KPD, but if that doesn't work any better than their efforts at poaching a good mid have, do they consider Busslinger or even Scully or Lemmey? If Sheezel impresses as a mid-forward in the Championships, does the thought of getting the next de Goey (failed trade target) or Greene (failed trade target?) tempt them over the safety of Wardlaw?

Basically, Wardlaw is perfect for us at Pick 1, but might not be perfect for North. Fully accept that 1. I'm rationalising my way to a preferred outcome here and 2. the people actually watching the kids have Wardlaw and Ashcroft as a level above the rest right now. But hey, that gap may close between now and November.

If they picked best available they would have McDonald

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Yet to watch SA vs Allies, hurry up AFL and load the game.

So watched WA vs Subi reserves, Hewett was back to his finest so rest assured ppl. Was really aggressive in the contest and won plenty of footy, great to watch.
I thought Busslinger was BOG though, this guy is utter class. In everything in the defensive half, he's Bazzo on steriods.

Liked Tregenza, strong marking fwd who is already big bodied. Very good forward, maybe a tad one dimensional and slow.

Reuben Ginbey looked very good too, tall Midfielder from E Perth. 189cm, uses the ball well and stands up in tackles.

Jordyn Baker didn't play, hopefully plays in the champs.

Side note - Sheezel 32 and 3 goals. Wowee

 

[henry27]

Yet to watch SA vs Allies, hurry up AFL and load the game.

So watched WA vs Subi reserves, Hewett was back to his finest so rest assured ppl. Was really aggressive in the contest and won plenty of footy, great to watch.
I thought Busslinger was BOG though, this guy is utter class. In everything in the defensive half, he's Bazzo on steriods.

Liked Tregenza, strong marking fwd who is already big bodied. Very good forward, maybe a tad one dimensional and slow.

Reuben Ginbey looked very good too, tall Midfielder from E Perth. 189cm, uses the ball well and stands up in tackles.

Jordyn Baker didn't play, hopefully plays in the champs.

Side note - Sheezel 32 and 3 goals. Wowee

Where did you find the replay for the wa game?

 

[Monocle]

Yet to watch SA vs Allies, hurry up AFL and load the game.

So watched WA vs Subi reserves, Hewett was back to his finest so rest assured ppl. Was really aggressive in the contest and won plenty of footy, great to watch.

Helps if he is played in his position of strength ( yes looking at you Black Ducks playing him off a HBF in the WAFL... WTF ), kids a pure mid.

Reuben Ginbey looked very good too, tall Midfielder from E Perth. 189cm, uses the ball well and stands up in tackles.

If you keep pumping Ginbeys tyres up ROYAL EAGLE will be wanting to send you a Christmas Card, he has been going all out on pumping the East Perth native up to all who will listen.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Ginbey is 189cm according to WAFL website but I have someone telling me he's 192-193.
Is this right ROYAL EAGLE?

2.85 20m with that height and build. Whoa!!

 

[Obeanie1]

Tanking for (or just earning) pick 1, a history:
2006 - Carlton took Gibbs, a consensus #1 in a supposed super draft. He was decent. Boak (#5) and Selwood (#7) ended up better, probably among others
2007 - Carlton took Kreuzer, a consensus #1. Cotchin’s had a better career. As has Dangerfield (#10)
2008 - Melbourne took Watts. HAHAHAHAHA
2009 - Melbourne took Scully. Martin (#3) a standout from that draft, along with Cunnington (#5), obviously Fyfe later.
2010 - Gold Coast took Swallow, a consensus #1. He’s been good. Gaff (#4), Heppell (#8), Prestia (#9) have probably had similar careers.
2011 - GWS took Patton. Not even the best player they took in the top 10, Coniglio (#2) and Haynes (#7) are ahead of him.
2012 - GWS took Whitfield. Arguably justified in hindsight, but Wines (#7) just won a Brownlow, plus Grundy slipped all the way to 18.
2013 - GWS took Boyd. Kelly went at 2 and Bont at 4. Next.
2014 - Saints took McCartin. No one could have foreseen his concussion issues but Petracca (#2) was always a more obvious choice.
2015 - Carlton took Weitering. Oliver went #4 and Parish went #5.
2016 - Essendon took McGrath from an evenly ranked field. The next two guys, Taranto and McCluggage, would probably go higher in a redraft.
2017 - Brisbane took Rayner. Looking decent, but Brayshaw (#2) and Naughton (#9) would be ahead of him now.
2018 - Carlton took Walsh. The King brothers and Bailey Smith would all have claims to #1 now.
2019 - Gold Coast took Rowell. Looked like a generational talent, but has been slowed by injuries.
2020 - Bulldogs matched a bid on JUH. Adelaide then picked Thilthorpe. Early days but not sure either goes #1 on a redraft.
2021 - North took JHF. Looked like a generational talent. Already doesn’t look like working out for North.

What’s the moral of the story? I forget. Oh wait … yes, we need some top level talent. But we don’t necessarily need pick 1. The odds overwhelmingly are it won’t end up being the best player anyway. So there’s no point hoping for a spoon and pick 1. Hope that whatever pick we get (and it’s not going to be any lower than pick 3, let’s be honest), we nail it.

Isnt the moral trade pick 1 for a 3 or 4 spot downgrade??..

Its likely ending up pick 2.

So get as much for adowngrade as some sucker will pay.

 

[Monocle]

Reuben Ginbey looked very good too, tall Midfielder from E Perth. 189cm, uses the ball well and stands up in tackles.

Sadly not a skill set our recruiters value.

Side note - Sheezel 32 and 3 goals. Wowee

The kids a freak and is rising at warp speed, up draft boards.

Kid wants to play for Hawthorn......... perfect for what Essendon need ...... will be interesting watching the Melbourne Clubs jostle into pole position for him.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The best players are at the pointy end of the draft. You can't win a flag without these players. Yet, you want to trade down?

So for the record, you would go for Wardlaw and not take the pair of Bruhn AND Pillipou or Bruhn AND Sneezel?

 

[Monocle]

So for the record, you would go for Wardlaw and not take the pair of Bruhn AND Pillipou or Bruhn AND Dneezel?

Our big bodied mid ....I like it.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Where did you find the replay for the wa game?

Replay: WA State U18s vs Subiaco Football Club (U18 Trial Game)

Watch all the action from the WAFL Colts game between WA State U18s and Subiaco Football Club (U18 Trial Game), on 18 June 2022 at 9:00 am AWST

streamer.com.au

 

[BeornJ]

We got Wardlaw yet?

Its my understanding that if we don't draft him we won't win a flag for 50 years. Can anyone confirm?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Tanking for (or just earning) pick 1, a history:
2006 - Carlton took Gibbs, a consensus #1 in a supposed super draft. He was decent. Boak (#5) and Selwood (#7) ended up better, probably among others
2007 - Carlton took Kreuzer, a consensus #1. Cotchin’s had a better career. As has Dangerfield (#10)
2008 - Melbourne took Watts. HAHAHAHAHA
2009 - Melbourne took Scully. Martin (#3) a standout from that draft, along with Cunnington (#5), obviously Fyfe later.
2010 - Gold Coast took Swallow, a consensus #1. He’s been good. Gaff (#4), Heppell (#8), Prestia (#9) have probably had similar careers.
2011 - GWS took Patton. Not even the best player they took in the top 10, Coniglio (#2) and Haynes (#7) are ahead of him.
2012 - GWS took Whitfield. Arguably justified in hindsight, but Wines (#7) just won a Brownlow, plus Grundy slipped all the way to 18.
2013 - GWS took Boyd. Kelly went at 2 and Bont at 4. Next.
2014 - Saints took McCartin. No one could have foreseen his concussion issues but Petracca (#2) was always a more obvious choice.
2015 - Carlton took Weitering. Oliver went #4 and Parish went #5.
2016 - Essendon took McGrath from an evenly ranked field. The next two guys, Taranto and McCluggage, would probably go higher in a redraft.
2017 - Brisbane took Rayner. Looking decent, but Brayshaw (#2) and Naughton (#9) would be ahead of him now.
2018 - Carlton took Walsh. The King brothers and Bailey Smith would all have claims to #1 now.
2019 - Gold Coast took Rowell. Looked like a generational talent, but has been slowed by injuries.
2020 - Bulldogs matched a bid on JUH. Adelaide then picked Thilthorpe. Early days but not sure either goes #1 on a redraft.
2021 - North took JHF. Looked like a generational talent. Already doesn’t look like working out for North.

What’s the moral of the story? I forget. Oh wait … yes, we need some top level talent. But we don’t necessarily need pick 1. The odds overwhelmingly are it won’t end up being the best player anyway. So there’s no point hoping for a spoon and pick 1. Hope that whatever pick we get (and it’s not going to be any lower than pick 3, let’s be honest), we nail it.

So this supports not tanking as well as us being prepared to look at offers and a slide back

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Ginbey is 189cm according to WAFL website but I have someone telling me he's 192-193.
Is this right ROYAL EAGLE?

2.85 20m with that height and build. Whoa!!

1.89CM

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Sadly not a skill set our recruiters value.



The kids a freak and is rising at warp speed, up draft boards.

Kid wants to play for Hawthorn......... perfect for what Essendon need ...... will be interesting watching the Melbourne Clubs jostle into pole position for him.

Really strong draft for midfielders this year
Lots of class better then last year

Sheezel looks great xfactor
Wardlow number one
Philllipou same as Sheezel xfactor
Hewett strong pure mid with burst speed

Those 4 above would really suit us

If we can trade
Gaff, Darling and McGovern those 3 and gives those 3 picks to a club for another top ten pick would be awesome

To get us another top 10 pick then we could have a shot at 2 top ten mids plus pick 19 would set us up for years if done right

 

[WCE_phil]

Whilst not imposing I thought Phillipou was very clean, one touch and showed poise and class, kid has X factor IMO.

Keeler great game..... kids a tease, if he gets it all together and plays concentrated football for 100 minutes a game, he could be the best of this draft cohort.... he is yet to do that and until he does questions will remain as to just where he lies in the draft order.

Could be something really special, if it all clicks for him at the next level.

I thought it was a big step forward for Keeler. But yes more consistency and he will go very high. Most talented in the pool for me.

I really like the game of Phillipou with his class, one touch, kicking and marking. Would have liked to have seen him more inside before he works his way further up my list.

 

[WCE_phil]

Really strong draft for midfielders this year
Lots of class better then last year

Sheezel looks great xfactor
Wardlow number one
Philllipou same as Sheezel xfactor
Hewett strong pure mid with burst speed

Those 4 above would really suit us

If we can trade
Gaff, Darling and McGovern those 3 and gives those 3 picks to a club for another top ten pick would be awesome

To get us another top 10 pick then we could have a shot at 2 top ten mids plus pick 19 would set us up for years if done right

I reckon you have a better chance of talking Darlings mother in law of being vaccinated than either of him or gov requesting a trade.

 

[joeyavalanche]

No contract . He is the reason our backline is so s**t .

Slows play down , kicks sideways , turnovers , slow runner who can keep up with any forward and a poor defender .

We are a better team without him .

Brisbane knew what they were doing when they offloaded him .

I feel the same way.
I’d always hoped that he was stuck behind Rich and a few others as the designated kicker but he just isn’t good.
Would like to see him trialled somewhere else to see if he might use his kick more


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[WCE_phil]

I feel the same way.
I’d always hoped that he was stuck behind Rich and a few others as the designated kicker but he just isn’t good.
Would like to see him trialled somewhere else to see if he might use his kick more


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He's still incredibly slow, terrible man on man, loses his player and isn't great man on man. I just don't see how he competes as a midfielder, even almost exclusively outside particularly with 6,6,6 and the stand rule. Without those rule changes he could well make it.

To me he is a depth player at best and more likely just a great state league player who doesn't have the weapons to step it up a level at AFL with his severe deficiencies.

 

[Chump Change]

So for the record, you would go for Wardlaw and not take the pair of Bruhn AND Pillipou or Bruhn AND Sneezel?

The problem is you are using the names of unknowns. You're throwing up scenarios using names that we don't know where they rank immediately prior to the draft.

I like Bruhn. I think he can be a A-grader. Do I think he'll be an A+? No.

So let's remove the names and call it pick 2. We don't know if Warlord is the best player yet. Could be someone else.

What is almost certain is you have to have a couple of A+ players to win a flag, and at least one has to be a midfielder. The best chance of finding such a player is with a top two pick. We're only going to have a limited amount of top 2 picks, where as the opportunity for a Bruhn happens every year. We got Yeo with a second rounder.

If you have a top 2 pick and there is a stand out, you have to take them.

 

[Obeanie1]

So for the record, you would go for Wardlaw and not take the pair of Bruhn AND Pillipou or Bruhn AND Sneezel?

Take the package deal every day.

Wardlow may even still be there at 5ish. If not a bloody good mid still will be.

Would love Sheezle to bolt into top 2 and other clubs scramble and bid to beat Essendon to him.

 

[Obeanie1]

The problem is you are using the names of unknowns. You're throwing up scenarios using names that we don't know where they rank immediately prior to the draft.

I like Bruhn. I think he can be a A-grader. Do I think he'll be an A+? No.

So let's remove the names and call it pick 2. We don't know if Warlord is the best player yet. Could be someone else.

What is almost certain is you have to have a couple of A+ players to win a flag, and at least one has to be a midfielder. The best chance of finding such a player is with a top two pick. We're only going to have a limited amount of top 2 picks, where as the opportunity for a Bruhn happens every year. We got Yeo with a second rounder.

If you have a top 2 pick and there is a stand out, you have to take them.

Your arguement can be used both ways.

Pick 1 is no certainty. Could end up a flop or even injury gods are unkind. You admit Braun has form and looks like an A grader.

So by downgrading 3 or 4 spots we get an A grade mid, ready to go round 1 PLUS a second highly rated mid around pick 5 to 7. And who knows how good he ends up.

Or we put all our chips on number 2 and spin the roulette wheel.

We spent too many picks trading in Kelly. We need more than one kid at pick 2 to turn this list around. Its a no brainer for mine as there seems like very little standout super elite talent compared to previous drafts.