List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The issue is (assuming Ashcroft nominates as a F/S) that if we view those 4 as equal talents then we could only trade down to pick #3 (which becomes pick #4 after a matched bid).

Plus, if we view them as equal talents you can bet that other teams may have a similar view - so why would Adelaide (on current ladder position) or Nth pay a premium to jump up?

If there are 3 available clear standouts - we just take one. The 'trade down' proposal really only works of there is 1 clear F/S standout and 1 other standout - then a group of 3-6 players at around similar levels (so basically Wardlaw/Ashcroft - followed by Busslinger, Tsatsas, Hewett, Sheezel, Phillipou, Clark). Teams may want to jump into pick 2/3 to get a certain type (KPD, FWD/Mid, outside mid etc) where we might be happy with 1-of-3 different players.

Clubs all have their recruiting needs and it's not just a simple best available talent. If of similar talent they will look at their needs. It really comes down to analysis of what those needs are and how to best improve your list.

We have already drafted some outside talent for the future in Chesser & Hough.

We need a genuine number 1 ruck
We need another genuine Key Forward / Key Defender
We need a run, carry and kick small defender
We need a genuine link up HFF/Mid
We need two inside / Balanced mids. One needs breakaway speed.

We also need to account that not all of those drafted no matter the talent will make it due to injury, application etc.

If Wardlaw is off the table as it stands right now it's either Philippou or Busslinger for me. I'd probably draft busslinger, barnett and kobe ryan and then hope that Gilbey is there as a slider for our third rounder. If Philippou goes back from the champs and steps it up a level and play league and puts in some good performances he then becomes my first choice after Wardlaw.

Oh and I just can't wait till Gaff is off our list. Played some great seasons for us but the changes to the rules have made his style of game very redundant. Then there's the amount of money he is on as well.
 

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Is Sheezel 192cm and a genuine mid?

Is it wrong that I'd be happy with Culley, Shezell and hopefully Clark (hoping he comes good and gets a proper run in the middle for us) at 192cm in our midfield?

I actually think we need another fast/evasive midfielder in the mix (not always, but they tend to be under 190cm tall).

Clark + Culley are big bodied mids (again, on the assumption that Clark comes good).

Kelly + ??? are the evasive/fast mids who can break from stoppages. I still feel a major issue is we get first touch/possession but struggle to get separation and turn that contest win into and uncontested situation.

Basically a Shuey replacement would be good. (not that I'm asking for much :cool: )
 
Is Sheezel 192cm and a genuine mid?

Is it wrong that I'd be happy with Culley, Shezell and hopefully Clark (hoping he comes good and gets a proper run in the middle for us) at 192cm in our midfield?

Sheezel’s listed at 184cm. Are you thinking of Philippou?
 
Yes, you do use a top 3 pick on a inside bull if it’s George Wardlaw. Have a look around, read up on what all the draft watchers are saying. Watch some footage. He’s not lasting past pick 2/3 for a reason.

You deflected my question BTW.


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Chargers teammate George Wardlaw, conversely, is a powerful, competitive and combative inside midfielder that plays with great intensity and models his game on Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver.

While Wardlaw’s start to 2022 hasn’t been as notable numerically – he’s averaged 20.7 touches, 9.3 contested possessions and 5.7 tackles from three games, missing Round 2 due to illness – he’s started to find his rhythm in his most recent matches for the Chargers and St Kevin’s College in the APS competition.


Top 10 no ranking.

George Wardlaw

181cm/72kg

A midfielder with a tough, competitive edge, Wardlaw was among Vic Metro's best players in its clash with Vic Country at GMHBA Stadium when he kicked up 22 disposals. Wardlaw is a tough player at the stoppages and smart with the ball in his hands, and later in the NAB League season was given some opportunities with the Chargers to feature as a bottom-ager.

Sure sounds like a tough, smart inside mid. Who doesn't get the volume of possessions previous top 3 picks / inside mids do. In fact its 2/3rds the output of other gun inside mids were getting when drafted, like Oliver.

And Wardlaw is being played on ball, not out of position on a flank.

Maybe the Vics are trying to hide Wardlaw somewhat. It just seems like he's had seriously reduced exposure for someone who is being touted as the next big thing.
 
I actually think we need another fast/evasive midfielder in the mix (not always, but they tend to be under 190cm tall).

Clark + Culley are big bodied mids (again, on the assumption that Clark comes good).

Kelly + ??? are the evasive/fast mids who can break from stoppages. I still feel a major issue is we get first touch/possession but struggle to get separation and turn that contest win into and uncontested situation.

Basically a Shuey replacement would be good. (not that I'm asking for much :cool: )
I feel like we could potentially find a smaller burst player with our second rounder, would rather use our first rounder looking for a Bont like player.
 
if the tassie team does get approved in august than this is an absolute must. the draft will be compromised from next year onwards until 2026.

Um.....how?

The Tassie team list wont be formed until 2024 or 2025 at the earliest. They need to build a stadium as well.

There will be at least 2022 and 2023 drafts being uncompromised......by a Tassie team anyway.
 
I feel like most of this board wants us to take Hewett at pick 1 or 2 almost solely because he’s from Western Australia lol.

I’d be okay with Hewett but I feel like there are at least 3 better options than him personally


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Hewitt has the runs on the board from last year but been a little up and down in 2022 ..
Playing League most of the year seems to have worn him down , I believe if he had just played colts all year his numbers and form would have been exceptional ..

The other rated players besides Ashcroft look to be getting hyped up with credits a bit without seeing much body of solid work ..


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According to Ricky Nixon (I know , I know) we will be looking too offload Gaff aswell as a couple others with the plan of getting 4-5 picks in the top 20
Even disregarding the source sounds fanciful just because of the "video game trading" feel about this.

Earlier in the year, I thought we might be able to get something close to mid 20's for Gaff but his value has just diminished.

The only senior player now who might (and I stress might) net that is Darling but that would require a complete change up front and a huge increase in responsibility to Oscar Allen.

All the young players that would net a decent pick are required for the rebuild (i.e. Allen) or they would just score us some cheap change and we are better off riding them out to the end and see if they come good (i.e. Waterman).
 
You deflected my question BTW.


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Rated top 3

Chargers teammate George Wardlaw, conversely, is a powerful, competitive and combative inside midfielder that plays with great intensity and models his game on Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver.

While Wardlaw’s start to 2022 hasn’t been as notable numerically – he’s averaged 20.7 touches, 9.3 contested possessions and 5.7 tackles from three games, missing Round 2 due to illness – he’s started to find his rhythm in his most recent matches for the Chargers and St Kevin’s College in the APS competition.


Top 10 no ranking.

George Wardlaw

181cm/72kg

A midfielder with a tough, competitive edge, Wardlaw was among Vic Metro's best players in its clash with Vic Country at GMHBA Stadium when he kicked up 22 disposals. Wardlaw is a tough player at the stoppages and smart with the ball in his hands, and later in the NAB League season was given some opportunities with the Chargers to feature as a bottom-ager.

Sure sounds like a tough, smart inside mid. Who doesn't get the volume of possessions previous top 3 picks / inside mids do. In fact its 2/3rds the output of other gun inside mids were getting when drafted, like Oliver.

And Wardlaw is being played on ball, not out of position on a flank.

Maybe the Vics are trying to hide Wardlaw somewhat. It just seems like he's had seriously reduced exposure for someone who is being touted as the next big thing.
Those Call Twomey articles aren’t a ranking. He has just listed 10 prospects in alphabetical order.

Knightmare is one of only a very few draft watchers I’ve noticed who hasn’t ever had Wardlaw in his top 2. Actually he’s the only one.

From everything I’ve seen or read on him he’s the guy Im hoping to pick up at the end of the season. To me he’ll take up that Elliot Yeo hole in a couple of years, doesn’t need to have 25+ each week to have an impact and can do things no one else can due to his power and strength. Thats what sets him apart imo. If we don’t grab him the next in line will.
 
Oh and I just can't wait till Gaff is off our list. Played some great seasons for us but the changes to the rules have made his style of game very redundant. Then there's the amount of money he is on as well.
Yep - as sad as it is because he was a very good player for us for a long time, but his contract has hurt us quite a lot. Much more than the Kelly trade I would argue.

He was still very good in 2019 - from him and Shep you could see the serious burn after missing 2018.

But unfortunately, it's been all downhill since then. I don't feel great writing that - it really is easy to forget just how good he was for us at a point in time but professional sport is a cutthroat industry that is seriously unforgiving. In Ice Hockey they talk about "Team Friendly Contracts" all the time and how they are the key to winning the Stanley Cup. For us, Gaff's contract is definitely not team friendly.

EDIT: The above being said is very much hindsight. At the time re-signing Gaff was the right call. A team that's in flag mode should not be losing players unless forced out by the salary cap.
 
Does Wardlaw play forward like Dangerfield?

Hit the scoreboard like Danger did?
Hes got the same physical traits. When there’s a ball in dispute he can burst out of a pack with it or jump on someone’s head and take a mark. If someone’s trying to run past him Wardlaw can shutdown space quicker than the rest of the prospects and stick a tackle with one arm.

It’s my opinion, just like some of the comparisons I’ve seen likening him to Petracca. you don’t have to get your knickers in a twist over it.
 
if the tassie team does get approved in august than this is an absolute must. the draft will be compromised from next year onwards until 2026.
Tassie team will get GC/GWS concessions but they'll be made to trade a lot of their picks. Could be a great opportunity for us to get some more high picks in as we're coming out of the rebuild.
 
The points system of clubs trading for junk picks is the main problem
Why?

We’re going to lose our first round pick one way another.

What’s the difference where/who we lose it to.

Every team has an opportunity to trade for it. It just becomes an auction.

The old system was that our next pick after the bid “pays” for the player.

Under that rule we could still trade our first round pick for a current and future second round pick and come out ahead.

Under the current system we’re guaranteed to lose our first, second and third round picks if we don’t trade our first round pick for extra points. Even after we trade it, we’re still losing, at a minimum the new picks and our second round pick.
 
Why?

We’re going to lose our first round pick one way another.

What’s the difference where/who we lose it to.

Every team has an opportunity to trade for it. It just becomes an auction.

The old system was that our next pick after the bid “pays” for the player.

Under that rule we could still trade our first round pick for a current and future second round pick and come out ahead.

Under the current system we’re guaranteed to lose our first, second and third round picks if we don’t trade our first round pick for extra points. Even after we trade it, we’re still losing, at a minimum the new picks and our second round pick.

In theory it is OK, but in practice when a team that will likely make a prelim (at least) gets one of the best 3 players in the draft for very little cost (in picks) it really hurts the fairness (and that goes for Daicos previously, and JUH before that - hence that rule was changed).

I'd prefer if there was a bit more system to it - maybe get rid of points for picks outside the first 2 rounds, or even just change the rules for top-10 picks (the matching rules - I'm happy with the sentimentality of F/S).

Basically, for Brisbane to get Ashcroft this year there should be an additional cost in trading up, not a bonus in trading down. That is where the system doesn't work that well (in reality, after the first 10 picks - with the 25% discount, this problem doesn't exist. It is just the very-early selections that create the problem))
 
Jack Viney.

What pick would you be happy to use drafting a Jack Viney?

Unfortunately he was a father son pick so value possibly affected, he went at pick 26 in 2012.

The GWS draft wasnt very inspiring. Interesting though.....

1 Whitfield
2 O'Rourke
3 Plowman
4 Toupass
5 Stringer
6 Jack Macrae
7 Ollie 'Brownlow medalist inside bull' Wines
 
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The point system isn't a bad idea, it's just clearly not well calculated, considering how easily clubs can trade back to gain points. Hopefully the league keeps tinkering with it to keep it as fair as possible.

Stuff tinkering. You get access to top 5 talent you lose your 1st rounder as a minimum. You trade it out then tuff you miss out.

Right now its a rort and the old clubs are benefiting massively.

All good they can have their father son but not using multiple picks int the late 30's to land a top 2 or 3 pick.
 
Hes got the same physical traits. When there’s a ball in dispute he can burst out of a pack with it or jump on someone’s head and take a mark. If someone’s trying to run past him Wardlaw can shutdown space quicker than the rest of the prospects and stick a tackle with one arm.

It’s my opinion, just like some of the comparisons I’ve seen likening him to Petracca. you don’t have to get your knickers in a twist over it.

So Wardlaw does play forward then? If he's similar to Dangerfield and Petracca.
 
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