List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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[Ochre]

Is the father son rule a sham or something unique to our game that we should keep?

It's a great rule.

If JK or NN has a gun kid in 20 years, you want them playing for Freo?

 

[twce13]

i think its a terrible rule personally.
i find it amature hour that afl has compromised draft year after year. The sport and the fans need to grow up imo.

It literally defeats the purpose of the draft.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Father Son rule is awesome.

 

[shooshka]

Historically we don't spend a lot of time out of the 8, in fact our longest stretch out of finals was 3 seasons in the aftermath of the drugs-saga.
So I don't buy it for a second that we'll have 3 seasons at the bottom and then another two picking in the top 10 (6 years no finals? Ha!).

If Eagles perceive Wardlaw, Ashcroft, Sheezel & Phillipou as even in talent, makes perfect sense to trade down on the proviso you still grab one of those 4.
Eagles need to maximise the value of the #1/#2 pick while they're down the bottom (whether that is taking the clearly best player, or turning it into multiple picks of high value), because history tells us we won't be down there for long & not again for 6-7 years after our current stint.*


*I appreciate this might sound arrogant and "history is no indicator of future performance", but with the financial resources our club has we usually don't f*ck up our rebuild.

The issue is (assuming Ashcroft nominates as a F/S) that if we view those 4 as equal talents then we could only trade down to pick #3 (which becomes pick #4 after a matched bid).

Plus, if we view them as equal talents you can bet that other teams may have a similar view - so why would Adelaide (on current ladder position) or Nth pay a premium to jump up?

If there are 3 available clear standouts - we just take one. The 'trade down' proposal really only works of there is 1 clear F/S standout and 1 other standout - then a group of 3-6 players at around similar levels (so basically Wardlaw/Ashcroft - followed by Busslinger, Tsatsas, Hewett, Sheezel, Phillipou, Clark). Teams may want to jump into pick 2/3 to get a certain type (KPD, FWD/Mid, outside mid etc) where we might be happy with 1-of-3 different players.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Love the father son rule.
Family legacies form part of the greater culture at clubs, helps build the unique identities each club has.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Father-son rule is fine.

The points system, the bidding system, the ability for clubs to claim “academy” prospects - all those things are less fine.

 

[Westend]

The issue is (assuming Ashcroft nominates as a F/S) that if we view those 4 as equal talents then we could only trade down to pick #3 (which becomes pick #4 after a matched bid).

Plus, if we view them as equal talents you can bet that other teams may have a similar view - so why would Adelaide (on current ladder position) or Nth pay a premium to jump up?

If there are 3 available clear standouts - we just take one. The 'trade down' proposal really only works of there is 1 clear F/S standout and 1 other standout - then a group of 3-6 players at around similar levels (so basically Wardlaw/Ashcroft - followed by Busslinger, Tsatsas, Hewett, Sheezel, Phillipou, Clark). Teams may want to jump into pick 2/3 to get a certain type (KPD, FWD/Mid, outside mid etc) where we might be happy with 1-of-3 different players.

I am assuming that there is a time period that Ashcroft has to nominate for F/S ?? and if so when ??

Until then clubs are in limbo as he is such a high prize trade target

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

The issue is (assuming Ashcroft nominates as a F/S) that if we view those 4 as equal talents then we could only trade down to pick #3 (which becomes pick #4 after a matched bid).

Plus, if we view them as equal talents you can bet that other teams may have a similar view - so why would Adelaide (on current ladder position) or Nth pay a premium to jump up?

If there are 3 available clear standouts - we just take one. The 'trade down' proposal really only works of there is 1 clear F/S standout and 1 other standout - then a group of 3-6 players at around similar levels (so basically Wardlaw/Ashcroft - followed by Busslinger, Tsatsas, Hewett, Sheezel, Phillipou, Clark). Teams may want to jump into pick 2/3 to get a certain type (KPD, FWD/Mid, outside mid etc) where we might be happy with 1-of-3 different players.

I was responding in the context of Ashcroft not nominating for F/S in response to briztoon

You're assuming every club rates players equally, and that's just not true.
Likewise you might have a club like GWS who want Phillipou on their list to replace Taranto, but with Adelaide picking at #3 they know they have zero chance of getting their man. So trade their #4 for our #2.
Draft goes 1.Sheezel, 2.Phillipou, 3.Ashcroft, 4.Wardlaw instead of 1.Sheezel, 2.Wardlaw, 3.Philipou, 4.xx? We get Wardlaw in both scenarios.

Last year Port handed us a 2nd rd pick so they could move 2 spots up the order.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wardlaw has been rated a top 2 prospect this entire season, captained the All Australian u18 team against Collingwood’s vfl side and was BOG in that game.

If we’ve got pick 1 there’s no way should pass on him. The kid has amazing strength for his size and a burst of power which sets him apart from the rest. If we want someone to take over from Elliot Yeo in a couple of seasons and lead our midfield for the next tilt, I’d be putting all of my chips on him being the one.

Isnt the question on Wardlaw his lack of accumulation?

Yes he's stronger and more powerful than most of the other kids but does he get enough of the ball?

You seem very certain to "go all in with all your chips". He certainly isnt a Nick Daicos.

 

[Obeanie1]

i think its a terrible rule personally.
i find it amature hour that afl has compromised draft year after year. The sport and the fans need to grow up imo.

It literally defeats the purpose of the draft.

No problem with it as long as the AFL bans trading out your 1st rounder and then landing an elite talent like Daicos using picks 36 and later. That aspect is bias BS.

Pies wanted Daicos they should cough up their 1st round pick as a min. Same with Academy picks.

 

[Chump Change]

Isnt the question on Wardlaw his lack of accumulation?

Yes he's stronger and more powerful than most of the other kids but does he get enough of the ball?

You seem very certain to "go all in with all your chips". He certainly isnt a Nick Daicos.

They're different types of player.

The Apex predator in the AFL world is the contested beast. Dusty, Cripps, Fyfe etc. These guys generally get 25 a week rather than 35. But they win those clutch contests and it goes a long way toward winning games. They don't need 35 to have a massive impact.

Daicos is more the Pendles/Walsh type elite balanced mid. They sit just below the contested beast on the hierarchy.

The question is where Warlord will end up. Does he end up on the same level as Cripps and Fyfe? Or is he a level below like Elliott Yeo (who also sits below the best balanced mids)? Or will he end up another level below (SPP)?

I'm not worried so much about how many possies Warlord gets. I'm more concerned about where he sits as a contested beast. Will he end up closer to Fyfe or closer to SPP?

It's so hard to tell at the stage, whereas Ashcroft I'm a lot more confident he will be elite.

 

[dinnaz]

They're different types of player.

The Apex predator in the AFL world is the contested beast. Dusty, Cripps, Fyfe etc. These guys generally get 25 a week rather than 35. But they win those clutch contests and it goes a long way toward winning games. They don't need 35 to have a massive impact.

Daicos is more the Pendles/Walsh type elite balanced mid. They sit just below the contested beast on the hierarchy.

The question is where Warlord will end up. Does he end up on the same level as Cripps and Fyfe? Or is he a level below like Elliott Yeo (who also sits below the best balanced mids)? Or will he end up another level below (SPP)?

I'm not worried so much about how many possies Warlord gets. I'm more concerned about where he sits as a contested beast. Will he end up closer to Fyfe or closer to SPP?

It's so hard to tell at the stage, whereas Ashcroft I'm a lot more confident he will be elite.

Yeo without that extra height. But it took Yeo 6 years to be good in the middle, where Wardlaw is naturally a midfielder

 

[Obeanie1]

They're different types of player.

The Apex predator in the AFL world is the contested beast. Dusty, Cripps, Fyfe etc. These guys generally get 25 a week rather than 35. But they win those clutch contests and it goes a long way toward winning games. They don't need 35 to have a massive impact.

Daicos is more the Pendles/Walsh type elite balanced mid. They sit just below the contested beast on the hierarchy.

The question is where Warlord will end up. Does he end up on the same level as Cripps and Fyfe? Or is he a level below like Elliott Yeo (who also sits below the best balanced mids)? Or will he end up another level below (SPP)?

I'm not worried so much about how many possies Warlord gets. I'm more concerned about where he sits as a contested beast. Will he end up closer to Fyfe or closer to SPP?

It's so hard to tell at the stage, whereas Ashcroft I'm a lot more confident he will be elite.

If you are investing pick 1 or 2 on a mid. I would hope they would be getting more of it. Ashcroft tick.

You mention the Dusty's, Fyfe, P Cripps and Petracca. Wardlaw doesnt look balanced as those four are. He isnt a mid forward with marking or goal kicking talent. And as a 100% inside beast like Oliver he doesnt get 30 plus most weeks.

So its great to want to use our pick 1 or 2 on these elite apex contested beasts. But is there one to that level standing out in this draft?

 

[bh90210fan]

Isnt the question on Wardlaw his lack of accumulation?

Yes he's stronger and more powerful than most of the other kids but does he get enough of the ball?

You seem very certain to "go all in with all your chips". He certainly isnt a Nick Daicos.

Im certain that if he doesn’t get picked up with the number 1 pick in the draft and we don’t pick him at 2, whoever has the 3rd pick will be buying a lottery ticket that weekend. Theres a reason why he was selected captain of the AA team. A team which had Ashcroft, Phillipou, Sheezel ect.

He’s not an accumulator like Daicos, he’s an inside bull. Ashcroft is your Daicos for comparison and even with Wardlaw missing a chunk of this season most pundits still have Wardlaw right up there with him.

 

[bh90210fan]

If you are investing pick 1 or 2 on a mid. I would hope they would be getting more of it. Ashcroft tick.

You mention the Dusty's, Fyfe, P Cripps and Petracca. Wardlaw doesnt look balanced as those four are. He isnt a mid forward with marking or goal kicking talent. And as a 100% inside beast like Oliver he doesnt get 30 plus most weeks.

So its great to want to use our pick 1 or 2 on these elite apex contested beasts. But is there one to that level standing out in this draft?

He’s got marking talent. Great strength above his head and a huge leap on him.

 

[Obeanie1]

Im certain that if he doesn’t get picked up with the number 1 pick in the draft and we don’t pick him at 2, whoever has the 3rd pick will be buying a lottery ticket that weekend. Theres a reason why he was selected captain of the AA team. A team which had Ashcroft, Phillipou, Sheezel ect.

He’s not an accumulator like Daicos, he’s an inside bull. Ashcroft is your Daicos for comparison and even with Wardlaw missing a chunk of this season most pundits still have Wardlaw right up there with him.

Ok got it. He's a bull.

Who doesnt get much of it.

That does sound alot like SPP.

Thats the very point. You dont use a top 3 pick on a SPP type inside bull if they only average 20 odd posessions.

Can you name any?

 

[bh90210fan]

Ok got. He's a bull.

Who doesnt get much of it.

That does sound alot like SPP.

Thats the very point. You dont use a top 3 pick on a SPP type inside bull if they only average 20 odd posessions.

Can you name any?

Yes, you do use a top 3 pick on a inside bull if it’s George Wardlaw. Have a look around, read up on what all the draft watchers are saying. Watch some footage. He’s not lasting past pick 2/3 for a reason.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Im certain that if he doesn’t get picked up with the number 1 pick in the draft and we don’t pick him at 2, whoever has the 3rd pick will be buying a lottery ticket that weekend. Theres a reason why he was selected captain of the AA team. A team which had Ashcroft, Phillipou, Sheezel ect.

He’s not an accumulator like Daicos, he’s an inside bull. Ashcroft is your Daicos for comparison and even with Wardlaw missing a chunk of this season most pundits still have Wardlaw right up there with him.

What’s a good player comparison for Wardlaw, in your view?

 

[Chump Change]

But is there one to that level standing out in this draft?

It's the million dollar question. There's probably one there, but which one....

That's why whoever has the chance to take Ashcroft has to take him.

 

[darksquare]

Will Ashcroft is just a take-it-to-the-bank smooth accumulator. Whatever pick we have, we should bid on him if available. I don't want to see a situation like last year where Nick Daicos goes at pick 4. Just - how? The best-performed player should come at an appropriate cost, and I think Brisbane should pay pick 1 less discount for Ashcroft.

 

[bh90210fan]

What’s a good player comparison for Wardlaw, in your view?

I’d say it’s Dangerfield. Same strength / explosiveness you rarely see in your average mid and plays taller than his true height.

 

[Monocle]

What’s a good player comparison for Wardlaw, in your view?

Jack Viney.

 

[WestCoast05]

Is the father son rule a sham or something unique to our game that we should keep?

It's an awesome part of our game imo and references back to the games past which makes it all the more special.

I think though harsher terms to match a top 10 or first round bid could be in order.

 

[Bestbird]

Father-son rule is fine.

The points system, the bidding system, the ability for clubs to claim “academy” prospects - all those things are less fine.

The points system of clubs trading for junk picks is the main problem

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Thoughts on loading up on this year draft to help fast track the rebuild.

Trade next year first to GWS and 38 for there pick 5 and 25. Genuinely believe we won't be bottom 2 again

Bruhn and Toronto are rumoured to be leaving so they get heaps of picks here plus already have a young team

Would leave us with 2, 5, 20, 25 and 27 along with Culley.

Could even offload 25 and 27, which is worth pick 10 on points. Maybe NM if they get a mid round priority

Being left with 2, 5, 10 & 20 is now very juicy.

if the tassie team does get approved in august than this is an absolute must. the draft will be compromised from next year onwards until 2026.