List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[dajesmac]

Seeing North this past fortnight - I feel we are now a better chance than not of winning the spoon given we lost today.

I’d be pretty comfortable trading pick 1. Our best chance is if Ashcroft chooses against joining the Lions and some Vic clubs are keen to trade up for him.

 

[Godfather32]

Not on his own but Gaff and Port 2nd rounder

I dunno, I think Gaff with that contract probably has negative value

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Dont forget ripped XON

Pre-season 2023, XON needs to set the standards.

Everyone to rock up with a shaved head and exist purely on a diet of horse meat

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[mentalgrind]

What are people's thoughts on Darcy Jones for a later pick?

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[briztoon]

Seeing North this past fortnight - I feel we are now a better chance than not of winning the spoon given we lost today.

I’d be pretty comfortable trading pick 1. Our best chance is if Ashcroft chooses against joining the Lions and some Vic clubs are keen to trade up for him.

Taking off my Lions hat, that’s crazy talk.

What genuinely are you thinking another team will trade you for pick 1?

How far back are you willing to slide? Who for?

If your club is hitting the rebuild button, you’re going to potentially be picking in the bottom 3 for the next three drafts.

And then potentially another couple of top 10 picks after that.

Ashcroft could be your Neale or Brayshaw (the Fremantle one). You’ve then got one or two more drafts to pair him with a Petracca or Martin type.

There’s every possibility that Wardlaw or Sheezel or Phillipou has a higher ceiling, but we haven’t seen them show the consistency that Ashcroft has.

 

[mentalgrind]

Also I know we're crying out for top end midfield talent but if we went for Busslinger I would not be disappointed.

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[maverick001]

Ashcroft - will probably nom for Brisbane. The other question is - he's not a Dusty or Cripps. He's more Walsh or Pendles. But if he doesn't nom Brisbane, whoever has #1 has to take him. The risk/reward in taking another player is too big.

Wardlaw - looks the biznitz. How good will he be though?

Sheezel - Lot's of class. But can he transition to elite midfielder? Or is he a Toby Greene/Steve Johnson type?

Phillipou - how good is he? Could be the best player in the draft, but also could be a player who just doesn't get enough ball.

Hewett - does he have the game to end up in the game's top 10?

Clarke - doesn't appear to be that contest beast. Probably lacks that elite Pendles/Walsh class. But can he be as good as Joel Selwood?



There's lots of questions that the recruiters from all clubs will be working through. Out of those players above there's likely to be different levels of elite once their career is in full swing.

You take Walsh or Pendles at number 1 every day of the week.

 

[Goroyals22]

I thought it was quite common to not have a ruck coach.

Ryan Turnbull is the ruck coach

 

[briztoon]

Apparently it was mentioned during the coverage that Phillipou is carrying a back problem.

And it’s been mentioned that Broadbent has shin splints.

 

[Tugga27]

Not on his own but Gaff and Port 2nd rounder

Gaff seems quite loyal and is on good money.
Perhaps he doesn't want to go.

 

[WCE_phil]

Broadbent does indeed have shin splints. another top 40 pick would make it interesting to see who of the draft talls are still available.

also sliding from 1 id be willing to attach picks and or a desired player willing to go for combined 4&5.

Id then draft Busslinger if still available and the best available small still on the table or if not the best two smalls and then hopefully Barnett with our remaining second rounder.

 

[KERRPOW]

I dunno, I think Gaff with that contract probably has negative value

GAFF + WCE pay 300k per year of his contract for a second round pick is probably the best we could get.

 

[KERRPOW]

Gaff seems quite loyal and is on good money.
Perhaps he doesn't want to go.

True. I cant see is doing what the pies did to treloar either.

 

[dajesmac]

Taking off my Lions hat, that’s crazy talk.

What genuinely are you thinking another team will trade you for pick 1?

How far back are you willing to slide? Who for?

If your club is hitting the rebuild button, you’re going to potentially be picking in the bottom 3 for the next three drafts.

And then potentially another couple of top 10 picks after that.

Ashcroft could be your Neale or Brayshaw (the Fremantle one). You’ve then got one or two more drafts to pair him with a Petracca or Martin type.

There’s every possibility that Wardlaw or Sheezel or Phillipou has a higher ceiling, but we haven’t seen them show the consistency that Ashcroft has.

I suppose i should have added some of my thinking to that post rather than just suggesting we trade pick 1 and then hitting post.

My logic being that currently pick 1 doesn’t appear to hold the value that it has in some previous years (2021 may be the best example) - but I do think that changes a little if Ashcroft is on the open market. He’s a talent that may invite a bidding auction so to speak, as opposed to the other bunch of pick 1 contenders on whom many draft experts don’t seem to have a clear pick 1 consensus. So, there’s a chance we could accept an inflated offer for a team desperate to get Ashcroft. I’m not sure Wardlaw, Sheezel or Philippou would attract such offers.

The second part of my thinking is that in this hypothetical, if Ashcroft won’t play for his fathers club, it’s presumably because of a desire to stay in Victoria. If that’s the case, and there is “go home” concern over both he and Sheezel, the appeal of having pick 1 to me is greatly diminished. If Ashcroft seems very keen to come to Perth then that’s a different story.

Now what would be a good enough offer? Looking at the current state of picks nothing jumps out at me. Essendon have 5 and 23 which to me probably isn’t juicy enough. But, it’ll look pretty different during the trade period I’d imagine. If JHF could get offers of 7, 15 and a couple of picks in the 20s perhaps Ashcroft could get say 5 and 10? If the talent pool is even, I think this presents as value. Take Wardlaw with pick 1, or get Hewett and say Cadman or Mackenzie?

 

[Chump Change]

Seeing North this past fortnight - I feel we are now a better chance than not of winning the spoon given we lost today.

I’d be pretty comfortable trading pick 1. Our best chance is if Ashcroft chooses against joining the Lions and some Vic clubs are keen to trade up for him.

Ashcroft is in the top 3 players in nearly every single game he plays in. That's a rare talent. Club would be crazy to pass that up.

 

[Chump Change]

Id then draft Busslinger if still available

We have Barrass and Bazzo. Barrass is proven and Bazzo looks pretty good to me.

I'm not understanding why you think it's a good idea to spend a top 5 pick when we already have players for the positions? And if one doesn't work out, we can find another and it will only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

 

[The Ghost Rider]

Hearing McTagget-Johnson wants to join the Eagles in 23

 

[Cuzz09]

Hearing McTagget-Johnson wants to join the Eagles in 23

who?

Not had good luck with hyphens

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[bh90210fan]

I suppose i should have added some of my thinking to that post rather than just suggesting we trade pick 1 and then hitting post.

My logic being that currently pick 1 doesn’t appear to hold the value that it has in some previous years (2021 may be the best example) - but I do think that changes a little if Ashcroft is on the open market. He’s a talent that may invite a bidding auction so to speak, as opposed to the other bunch of pick 1 contenders on whom many draft experts don’t seem to have a clear pick 1 consensus. So, there’s a chance we could accept an inflated offer for a team desperate to get Ashcroft. I’m not sure Wardlaw, Sheezel or Philippou would attract such offers.

The second part of my thinking is that in this hypothetical, if Ashcroft won’t play for his fathers club, it’s presumably because of a desire to stay in Victoria. If that’s the case, and there is “go home” concern over both he and Sheezel, the appeal of having pick 1 to me is greatly diminished. If Ashcroft seems very keen to come to Perth then that’s a different story.

Now what would be a good enough offer? Looking at the current state of picks nothing jumps out at me. Essendon have 5 and 23 which to me probably isn’t juicy enough. But, it’ll look pretty different during the trade period I’d imagine. If JHF could get offers of 7, 15 and a couple of picks in the 20s perhaps Ashcroft could get say 5 and 10? If the talent pool is even, I think this presents as value. Take Wardlaw with pick 1, or get Hewett and say Cadman or Mackenzie?

Wardlaw has been rated a top 2 prospect this entire season, captained the All Australian u18 team against Collingwood’s vfl side and was BOG in that game.

If we’ve got pick 1 there’s no way should pass on him. The kid has amazing strength for his size and a burst of power which sets him apart from the rest. If we want someone to take over from Elliot Yeo in a couple of seasons and lead our midfield for the next tilt, I’d be putting all of my chips on him being the one.

 

[FKASC]

who?

Not had good luck with hyphens

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He's suited to a run-with role

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Taking off my Lions hat, that’s crazy talk.

What genuinely are you thinking another team will trade you for pick 1?

How far back are you willing to slide? Who for?

If your club is hitting the rebuild button, you’re going to potentially be picking in the bottom 3 for the next three drafts.

And then potentially another couple of top 10 picks after that.

Ashcroft could be your Neale or Brayshaw (the Fremantle one). You’ve then got one or two more drafts to pair him with a Petracca or Martin type.

There’s every possibility that Wardlaw or Sheezel or Phillipou has a higher ceiling, but we haven’t seen them show the consistency that Ashcroft has.

I don't see West Coast getting a bottom four pick in 2023 draft unless we get another horror run with injuries. Maybe the 2024 draft after a dead cat bounce next year, see 2008 & 2010 drafts.

I wouldn't trade pick 1 for anything past pick 4 in this years draft and at that point you're probably not generating the currency later on in the draft without using one of the 2nd round picks. West Coast has shown a relative reluctancy to generate currency with players, so i wouldn't put it past us to do it with what picks we have.

 

[Lazzas]

Gaff seems quite loyal and is on good money.
Perhaps he doesn't want to go.

Ashcroft is in the top 3 players in nearly every single game he plays in. That's a rare talent. Club would be crazy to pass that up.

Ashcroft reminds me of Ben Cousins with his desire to get to so many contests and ability to impact them.

Clearly the best mid in the next draft.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Taking off my Lions hat, that’s crazy talk.

What genuinely are you thinking another team will trade you for pick 1?

How far back are you willing to slide? Who for?

If your club is hitting the rebuild button, you’re going to potentially be picking in the bottom 3 for the next three drafts.

And then potentially another couple of top 10 picks after that.

Ashcroft could be your Neale or Brayshaw (the Fremantle one). You’ve then got one or two more drafts to pair him with a Petracca or Martin type.

There’s every possibility that Wardlaw or Sheezel or Phillipou has a higher ceiling, but we haven’t seen them show the consistency that Ashcroft has.

Historically we don't spend a lot of time out of the 8, in fact our longest stretch out of finals was 3 seasons in the aftermath of the drugs-saga.
So I don't buy it for a second that we'll have 3 seasons at the bottom and then another two picking in the top 10 (6 years no finals? Ha!).

If Eagles perceive Wardlaw, Ashcroft, Sheezel & Phillipou as even in talent, makes perfect sense to trade down on the proviso you still grab one of those 4.
Eagles need to maximise the value of the #1/#2 pick while they're down the bottom (whether that is taking the clearly best player, or turning it into multiple picks of high value), because history tells us we won't be down there for long & not again for 6-7 years after our current stint.*


*I appreciate this might sound arrogant and "history is no indicator of future performance", but with the financial resources our club has we usually don't f*ck up our rebuild.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I do like the idea of a Ben cousins style mid

 

[Spange]

Is the father son rule a sham or something unique to our game that we should keep?