List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Obeanie1]

Yep

Nope. He changed it from "elite bull" to "one dimensional inside mid".....

It's classic straw argument. I never said anything about a Priddis or Mitchell type being better that a Walsh or Pendles type.

Good try, but let's move on.

Now you are misquoting / misinterpreting my post.

Ive now made myself crystal clear.

And lose the strawman BS. Thank you.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yeah that would suck. Then no doubt Tassie will get awarded a team while we're trying to rebuild and get the #1 pick plus a bunch of other first rounders over the next couple of years.
We had to rebuild during the GC/GWS era, would be our luck to cop the Kangas / Tassie double too.
Surely it can't happen again.....

I would like to think that we have finished our rebuild before Tassie finish building a stadium

 

[southcoast]

Pies are linked to McStay as an UFA and likely to lose de Goey as a FA. That should net off to no compensation.

I reckon ‘token trades’ will be done between Pies and Lions.


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[Get_The_Gaff]

I don’t mind if we do take Tsatis he’s a pact line breaker and I do think we need that type around the midfield..
As all we have is old man Shuey and maybe Kelly..


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Phillipou is a burst out of stoppage player too who already plays on the inside and can drift forward as a genuine mismatch

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

You would want them to stump up around half that wouldnt you?

Grundy was always a break even ruck who would be an extra mid once the contest was over .

What Collingwood has found in Cameron is he is giving then first use with excellent ruck work and with such fast transition the need for the ruck to be a mid is gone .

Grundy is now very expensive surplus

You are right if I was GWS I would stay away from Grundy unless Collingwood pays 50% over the life of his contract

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Depends on semantics. To me Fyfe, Dusty, Cripps, Petracca are elite bulls. Walsh, Bont, Pendles are elite balanced. Maybe who I call bulls, you class as balanced? There is a bit of crossover at the top end.

My interpretation is a bull is selwood , cripps , cotchin, fyfe , danger , libba viney . Good for getting first possession

As soon as they can get possessions on the outside and set up meaningful play they become a balanced mid as they play duel roles bont , martin , petrecca .

In this draft Wardlaw is a bull

Phillipou is a balanced mid

Tasatas is the opposite to a bull ?

 

[WCE_phil]

GWS are literally having to Jettison players they don't want to lose to be able to keep the ones already on their list. There's no way they can afford Grundy.

 

[Chump Change]

My interpretation is a bull is selwood , cripps , cotchin, fyfe , danger , libba viney . Good for getting first possession

As soon as they can get possessions on the outside and set up meaningful play they become a balanced mid as they play duel roles bont , martin , petrecca .

In this draft Wardlaw is a bull

Phillipou is a balanced mid

Tasatas is the opposite to a bull ?

Interesting. I have Cotch as a balanced mid and Libba as an insider (he's an extractor rather than a Cripps / Dusty type who does it all). I guess we all have slightly different takes. I have Danger as a bull be he's pretty balanced as well. But more a bull for me.

On this year's draft - they keep saying Warlord is like Oliver. I think this is because he "models his game on Oliver". But I think he is a bit of a bull. Unsure on Phillpou but the Legend of Phillipou (everything we have read about him) says a bit of both, whereas Ashcroft is the ultimate balanced.

As for Tsatas, he looks more outside to me. There's been talk of him "improving his inside game" but I'm yet to see it.

 

[Chump Change]

GWS are literally having to Jettison players they don't want to lose to be able to keep the ones already on their list. There's no way they can afford Grundy.

How long does it take clubs to realise not to give 5 year contracts (unless it's Buddy, Dusty, Ablett level) and not to over pay players? You're going to lose the occasional player if you don't stump up what others will pay, but if you do pay, you risk other people leaving because there's no enough left on the table. I think West Coast have been pretty good with this.

 

[JackOutback]

I still don’t see how they can publicly talk up how good their list is then turn around and ask for the AFL’s help to make it better.

What a business says to its investors (fans) to reassure them doesn't always reflect reality and what they are saying privately. That said, I don't think they will get a first round PP, they may not even get one if they trade JHF for a high first round pick, and even if they do get two picks, it probably won't affect us as one of the picks would likely be Busslinger who we likely won't have an interest in.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Interesting. I have Cotch as a balanced mid and Libba as an insider (he's an extractor rather than a Cripps / Dusty type who does it all). I guess we all have slightly different takes. I have Danger as a bull be he's pretty balanced as well. But more a bull for me.

On this year's draft - they keep saying Warlord is like Oliver. I think this is because he "models his game on Oliver". But I think he is a bit of a bull. Unsure on Phillpou but the Legend of Phillipou (everything we have read about him) says a bit of both, whereas Ashcroft is the ultimate balanced.

As for Tsatas, he looks more outside to me. There's been talk of him "improving his inside game" but I'm yet to see it.

I get what your saying a bull is a big explosive mid who can break the game open .

 

[RanaNaved]

My interpretation is a bull is selwood , cripps , cotchin, fyfe , danger , libba viney . Good for getting first possession

As soon as they can get possessions on the outside and set up meaningful play they become a balanced mid as they play duel roles bont , martin , petrecca .

In this draft Wardlaw is a bull

Phillipou is a balanced mid

Tasatas is the opposite to a bull ?

Jeremy Sharp and Naish are 'opposite to a bull'.

Like I said earlier, in his two big games this year he won 18 and 15 contested possessions......quite 'bull' like numbers.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Grundy was always a break even ruck who would be an extra mid once the contest was over .

What Collingwood has found in Cameron is he is giving then first use with excellent ruck work and with such fast transition the need for the ruck to be a mid is gone .

Grundy is now very expensive surplus

You are right if I was GWS I would stay away from Grundy unless Collingwood pays 50% over the life of his contract

Have to disagree here. Cameron's contested marking around the ground and tackling that has been his biggest strength since Grundys been out. Grundy is better tap ruckman than Cameron, who still gets fairly dominated at actual ruckwork.

The difference in pay to what each provides however does seem to make Grundy surplus

 

[WCE_phil]

One thing we should be really thankful for is just how ****ed up we were with Covid and Injuries and it allowing us to secure Culley. With his height, long kick and super intense inside game I think he'd go top 10 in this draft now. We are very, very lucky and thankfully O'Brien for once picked the obvious target.

With the stand and 6,6,6 rules in place winning one on one contests and inside ball is more crucial now than ever so even if people think it's a reach at pick 1/2 whichever we have I would be going Philippou at this stage. Culley and Philippou inside together you can literally build a midfield around. Would also allow us to Keep Yeo back in defence giving us his kicking depth, marking and great man on man ability there. Will probably also prolong his career.

I just really hope we can complement those two with Barnett and Kobe Ryan with our second and third picks if they stay as they are now. With Barnett we would finally in 3 years time be able to have the 1 genuine ruck playing each week with a forward/ruck backup rather than requiring two rucks like we have had to for so long.

In most drafts you tend to be able to find elite kicking flanker types in the 10-20 mark so I don't mind us not drafting one this year as there really aren't any. Particularly after taking Chesser and Hough last year.

As much as he's been a great of the club I just want Gaff's contract off the books and so he isn't messing with what I think is important for us at selection. Take the weight off of Kelly's shoulders and have him on one wing and Sheed on the other for now. They can both spend time inside but their gifts are much better as receivers and kicking the ball with a bit more space. Leaves Shuey and Redden inside to help protect the youngsters and allow them more time inside over the next 12-24 months. Shuey you have to say 23 is almost certainly his last year but Redden particularly as just a guy protecting the youngsters and as the backup inside mid could last 2 more while we get the youngsters up to speed.

Even paying half of Gaff's salary would allow us to bring other contract payments forward a bit. We'll also get some further cap relief after next year with McGovern's huge contract running out and re-signing at a lower amount. Will basically allow us to reset our cap and begin to have to build that warchest etc required for free agency / trading in players to round off the list in a couple of years time.

 

[Bender_]

Kobe Ryan's parents plz.

 

[dkalphy]

Harry Sheezel is having a live interview right now on youtube..

 

[dkalphy]

 

[RanaNaved]

One thing we should be really thankful for is just how *ed up we were with Covid and Injuries and it allowing us to secure Culley. With his height, long kick and super intense inside game I think he'd go top 10 in this draft now. We are very, very lucky and thankfully O'Brien for once picked the obvious target.

With the stand and 6,6,6 rules in place winning one on one contests and inside ball is more crucial now than ever so even if people think it's a reach at pick 1/2 whichever we have I would be going Philippou at this stage. Culley and Philippou inside together you can literally build a midfield around. Would also allow us to Keep Yeo back in defence giving us his kicking depth, marking and great man on man ability there. Will probably also prolong his career.

I just really hope we can complement those two with Barnett and Kobe Ryan with our second and third picks if they stay as they are now. With Barnett we would finally in 3 years time be able to have the 1 genuine ruck playing each week with a forward/ruck backup rather than requiring two rucks like we have had to for so long.

In most drafts you tend to be able to find elite kicking flanker types in the 10-20 mark so I don't mind us not drafting one this year as there really aren't any. Particularly after taking Chesser and Hough last year.

As much as he's been a great of the club I just want Gaff's contract off the books and so he isn't messing with what I think is important for us at selection. Take the weight off of Kelly's shoulders and have him on one wing and Sheed on the other for now. They can both spend time inside but their gifts are much better as receivers and kicking the ball with a bit more space. Leaves Shuey and Redden inside to help protect the youngsters and allow them more time inside over the next 12-24 months. Shuey you have to say 23 is almost certainly his last year but Redden particularly as just a guy protecting the youngsters and as the backup inside mid could last 2 more while we get the youngsters up to speed.

Even paying half of Gaff's salary would allow us to bring other contract payments forward a bit. We'll also get some further cap relief after next year with McGovern's huge contract running out and re-signing at a lower amount. Will basically allow us to reset our cap and begin to have to build that warchest etc required for free agency / trading in players to round off the list in a couple of years time.

Culley was a big bonus. We look to have done really well with Bazzo, Hough, Culley and Chesser. J Williams more of a project player, but could be something.

I'm a little surprised to see you so high on Kobe Ryan though. Barnett wouldn't surprise me, we were right in to Conway last year and didn't end up with a ruck.

 

[ArdentEagle]

He has more tricks than Jack but is even more inconsistent.

What he does have is the ability to have a stint as a genuine ruckman, he is 198cm with a big leap and amazing mobility.
For his height his athleticism is off the chart’s.

I also think that he could play CHB and by being forced to be accountable on an opponent, this could teach / force him to be more focused….. that could help him stay more fully engaged in games.

Keeler IMO, has the tools to play in any tall position down the spine.

Only down side is that I haven’t seen him do a Ninja Flip.

Worth trying to get another 1st rounder??
FWIW - I'm very much a risk kind of character. I'd be taking the punt

 

[dkalphy]

Boys i asked him the question and he answered it...

 

[ronpingwins]

Literally as soon as I clicked on it someone asked about how he’d feel being picked by West Coast. Said he’s independent and would be fine and he’s happy to play anywhere. Although of course he’d say that

 

[dkalphy]

Guys i told you boys i should be part of WCE recruiting. I get the answers, unlike some journos.

Q: "How would you feel about being drafted to WCE"
Sheezel"I would be happy to play anywhere...said pick 2/wce is thinking a bit too ahead."

Not sure if he's jsut saying that that but thats hes response

Q: "You're hybrid mid/forward...do you see yourself moving mid
Sheezel: "See my self as both, can play in the middle and even off half back.."

 

[dkalphy]

Literally as soon as I clicked on it someone asked about how he’d feel being picked by West Coast. Said he’s independent and would be fine and he’s happy to play anywhere. Although of course he’d say that

Yes mate i asked that...I'm doing the the job our recruiting staff should be doing. Vosso sign me up.

 

[Obeanie1]

My interpretation is a bull is selwood , cripps , cotchin, fyfe , danger , libba viney . Good for getting first possession

As soon as they can get possessions on the outside and set up meaningful play they become a balanced mid as they play duel roles bont , martin , petrecca .

In this draft Wardlaw is a bull

Phillipou is a balanced mid

Tasatas is the opposite to a bull ?

Fyfe is inside and outside plus can play forward. Very good overhead as well so more balanced.

Ollie Wines is a elite big inside mid. But not as balanced. Viney and Selwood the same. Lyons at Brisbane another.

Phillapou strikes me as a balanced, taller mid who can play forward. Wardlaw sounds more inside than balanced but Ive read heis good overhead. Outside running and forward craft not sure about. Would be nice to see him actually play a game.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yeah the club’s recruiters would never think to ask him a question like that.