List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[WCE_phil]

Tad suprised with a few names on here, and a few that aren't: Broadbent and Clever.

Clever just played seniors, and had 18 disposals and 6 marks.

To be honest a few from each state missing, I thought were great options.

Broadbent having a Scott Jones like fall off in his draft year. He may not even be drafted now and i'd say it's more likely than not if he is, it's in the last 2-3 picks or the rookie draft.

Cleaver I still think makes a rookie list.

 

[WCE_phil]

Shocked Kobe Ryan not on the list. He's number 20 on my board.

 

[Winky]

I honestly can’t think of any.

We got shortchanged on the Selwood compensation in 2015 but we turned that into Cole in the end.

Can’t think of any other examples.

Depends how far back and how you define them. I thought of Selwood, Ebert and also Stevens who were all mids and all well thought of and we got loose change for them. Then there was Hickey last year.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Stevens was shit though.

 

[ziad]

Stevens was s**t though.

And thats what Ebert gave me

 

[dinnaz]

Well needless to say we need some contested players. The best players rack up the touches because they beat their oppo to it. I think we are missing a genuine fwd. A Lecras type replacement. Rachele, Wingard type who can also pinch in the middle and stay involved in the game. Not necessarily just a small fwd but someone who can reliable kick a goal or two a game when the chips are down.
Sheezle is our man here, Taranto if gettable.

 

[eagles rule]

Broadbent having a Scott Jones like fall off in his draft year. He may not even be drafted now and i'd say it's more likely than not if he is, it's in the last 2-3 picks or the rookie draft.

Cleaver I still think makes a rookie list.

Yes Broadbent looks to be falling into WCE lap .


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[dinnaz]

You can give him an upgraded contract and he can remain on the rookie list.

Added bonus, only the salary over and beyond a rookie contract counts towards the Salary Cap.

For example. Rookie salary is $90k. Culley signs on for two years at $200k per. Only $110k per counts towards your Salary Cap.

We’ve been doing this for years, moving contracted players to the rookie list, and opening up extra $$$ under the TPP.

For example, we have (had) Mathieson and Ellis-Yolman on our rookie list this year. Which game us an extra $180k to play with, or “bank” under the TPP.

But all clubs do the same thing. Essentially juggling to make use of the cap. If everyone gets the same bonus then there's no point to it.
As far as I can see the use for the rookie list is the option to draft a player for a 1 year contract. Rather than the 2 year ND minimum and other bonuses.

 

[Cuzz09]

Off season will be mental.

Got to run and run and run so we can actually run out games and don't go missing for large chunks

Got to also smash the weights so when we tackle they can't get an effective disposal off, and at the same time we can break tackles ourselves.

And learn an actual gameplan

All while not breaking down.

Good luck.

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[Eastcoasteagle]

Broadbent having a Scott Jones like fall off in his draft year. He may not even be drafted now and i'd say it's more likely than not if he is, it's in the last 2-3 picks or the rookie draft.

Cleaver I still think makes a rookie list.

I'd definitely take Broadbent with a later pick or rookie. Even if we'd already taken a Barnett.

Worth the risk.

 

[Monocle]

Shocked Kobe Ryan not on the list. He's number 20 on my board.

While I was surprised, I certainly was not shocked.

That’s the vagaries of assessing talent.

Adam D’Aloia who you don’t rate highly got an invite whilst K Ryan didn’t.

For what it’s worth ( and that’s diddly squat ) I would take both Adam D’Aloia and Will Dowling from SA before I took Kobe Ryan.

I happen to think that Dowling is very underrated he had a very consistent championships and IMO didn’t do much wrong. He is a hard ball contesting winner who makes good decisions. He may not be as fancy of flamboyant than some of the other mids, but he is just as effective.

For guys like Kobe Ryan all he can do now is go back and concentrate of a good finish to the season, with West Adelaide and as we know every year, there are late additions to the invitees.
He isn’t on his lonesome as there are some other good kids missing from the list of invitees.

 

[chaddy22]

Just playing around with this a bit from a few weeks ago.

Senior list: 38
Retire: Kennedy, Sheppard
Trade out: Williams
Trade in: someone else from the ruck merry-go-round - Sweet, Meek, Briggs?
Delist: Winder, Witherden, Nelson, Langdon (rerookie)
Promote: Jones

Gives us five spots on the senior list to fill. We currently have picks 2, 20, 25, 38 and 74. Take best available mid at 2, Broadbent and best available small at 20/26, Jones at 38 if he’s still there, final spot will probably go to whichever homesick West Aussie we’re giving a spot to (Ruscoe? Narkle? Brockman? There’s always one).

Rookie list: 8, needs to come down to 4.
Delist: Strnadica, Joyce, Naish, Dixon, Trew
Langdon on and Jones off is a straight swap.
Retain: West, Culley.

One spot available to fill in the RD/SSP. Could also add Baker/Regan as Cat B rookies.

That’d mean total outs of 11 and total ins of 7 (not including Cat Bs). 5/6 new draftees, plus Chesser and Culley as virtual new draftees, Hough, Bazzo and Williams in their second season gives us a nice young base.

Would prefer one more retirement but it’s looking pretty unlikely now. Hurn playing on would pretty much be the end for Witherden. Winder should be given a chance to play for a new contract in the final couple of rounds but I’m not sure it happens. Clark is an interesting one, presumably he got a two year deal as a new draftee but he doesn’t seem to be rated at all by the MC so he might be in the gun.

Ruck wise we’d have NicNat, Sweet/Meek as a more AFL-ready backup than Williams, Jamieson and Broadbent as the rucks of the future.

I think your ideas are more balanced then most others.You can not delist too many as unless you have a deep draft you end up with more driftwood.As for Langdon he can't be delisted like some people have said.He just needs to be moved to the rookie list like you say.It is tricky with so many older players but hopefully we spread it over the next three years and freshen up the list.

 

[briztoon]

But all clubs do the same thing. Essentially juggling to make use of the cap. If everyone gets the same bonus then there's no point to it.
As far as I can see the use for the rookie list is the option to draft a player for a 1 year contract. Rather than the 2 year ND minimum and other bonuses.

Mate, I wasn’t saying it was something new. Just providing a different option some posters may not be aware of.

Some clubs might find a good player on their rookie list, and instead of promoting the player to the senior list, they give him an upgraded contract, and keep him on the rookie list for the full three years.

Not all clubs use it the same way.

Some draft speculative players, others move salaries around, and others do a bit of both.

 

[UseR2006]

The other thing with those that missed out being invited they can still do the same testing in state just not at the main one in vic.

From the AFL draft pages - "For those prospects who do not receive enough club nominations to attend the national Combine, the state-based screenings will also take place." - Draft Combine to go national again for first time in three years

 

[dinnaz]

Mate, I wasn’t saying it was something new. Just providing a different option some posters may not be aware of.

Some clubs might find a good player on their rookie list, and instead of promoting the player to the senior list, they give him an upgraded contract, and keep him on the rookie list for the full three years.

Not all clubs use it the same way.

Some draft speculative players, others move salaries around, and others do a bit of both.

Just my general feeling is a new system should be implemented. We have the draft spread out over 2 days anyway for clubs to mull things over. So why not abolish the rookie system entirely and make each round drafted with different contract rules. Eg 4th round onwards have 1 year minimum contract and a smaller wage with better KPI triggers and so on. The $$$ will still be the same as the current system without all the bloated messing about.

Keeping Cat B type rookes as those free hits of players who are all truly speculation could be the new pertinent rookie rule and actually mean something when the media go on a tangent about being drafted on the rookie list.

 

[Avalor]

That is why I mentioned a 3rd round pick.

I would take him with a 2nd.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

His dad died a few weeks ago, it’s probably ok for him to take a while with any decision.

You think we’ve only put a contract in front of him two weeks ago?

 

[Godfather32]

Gaff

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Should read Gaff - The Momentum Killer - by Head in the Sand

Dropped two fairly easy marks which directly lead to two of Adelaide's goals very early on in the first quarter.
Gets the ball and almost without fail turns to kick sideways or backwards.
Defensively can't keep up with his man, you can always see him shuffling along 20m behind his opposition number as they stream forwards to get involved in attacking plays.
Justified criticism of him is not scapegoating.

 

[WCEswift]

Broadbent with our 3rd or 4th pick is a must, get him on the list get his body right in 3 years he'll be right. The big boys tend to have a body break down between 18-22, almost like a second puberty.

Also the fact that gaff and langdon got pump ups on the review video the club puts out makes me livid

 

[MrWoollie]

Gaff

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Everyone gets old and slows down and footballers become less effective with age. That's not a criticism, just facts.
Justified criticism and accurate description is NOT scapegoating.

The problems with Gaff are...
He's slow. He's always been slow but historically more than covered this by running all day and providing valuable link play with accurate passing. That's been dramatically downgraded.
Unfortunately he has lost confidence in himself to hit targets and his teammates upfield to create targets he can hit. Therefore he is now looking back/sideways and taking a long time to do it. Meantime, forward momentum is lost and our forward line becomes defensive.
He is too slow to act as a defensive mid when the opposition is coming out of our forward line. This has always been a weakness but was covered by not having to do it too often and having guys like Gov down the line to intercept.
He has always been and will always be an outside wingman. Playing him as an extractor mid is not doing him or the team any favours.

He used to be a 30+ possession, medium impact player who was a valuable member of our side. Unfortunately he has lost many of the attributes that made him valuable, and, let's be honest, is not going to be around at our next serious tilt.

It's not really a surprise that many are questioning his future. There is a very valid case to play someone like Hough (just an example) in his place on that wing.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You think we’ve only put a contract in front of him two weeks ago?

No idea. But the writing wouldn’t have been on the wall if he hadn’t re-signed before early July when his father passed, I don’t think the fact he hasn’t signed since then is here or there.

 

[Spooky17]

Whilst the Gaff criticism is valid, I suspect he’s been poorly managed and playing with an injury most of the year.

From memory, we brought him back early from a leg injury earlier in the season and then he broke down again soon after.

I feel this has lead to a drop in confidence which has fed into the below average performances.

Whilst I’d be happy to find him a new home in this off season, primarily to get his huge salary off our books, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him lift his game again next year with a strong pre season without any injury setbacks.

Fingers crossed, he was an elite wingman just a couple of years ago.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

No idea. But the writing wouldn’t have been on the wall if he hadn’t re-signed before early July when his father passed, I don’t think the fact he hasn’t signed since then is here or there.

That’s an opinion you’re more than entitled to. Didn’t say anything about him not signing in the past 3 weeks either.

 

[eagles rule]

While I was surprised, I certainly was not shocked.

That’s the vagaries of assessing talent.

Adam D’Aloia who you don’t rate highly got an invite whilst K Ryan didn’t.

For what it’s worth ( and that’s diddly squat ) I would take both Adam D’Aloia and Will Dowling from SA before I took Kobe Ryan.

I happen to think that Dowling is very underrated he had a very consistent championships and IMO didn’t do much wrong. He is a hard ball contesting winner who makes good decisions. He may not be as fancy of flamboyant than some of the other mids, but he is just as effective.

For guys like Kobe Ryan all he can do now is go back and concentrate of a good finish to the season, with West Adelaide and as we know every year, there are late additions to the invitees.
He isn’t on his lonesome as there are some other good kids missing from the list of invitees.

I think Dowling had 43 disposals and kicked 4 goals on the weekend ..IFIRC

 

[ArdentEagle]

Dowling has impressive stats. If he could kick straighter, it'd be ridiculous.

Tell me more about this lad please...