List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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[dinnaz]

I understand that the good balanced mids go early and maybe if I could be bothered to do an analysis the middle to late first rounders are mostly flankers. I'm not having a go at the club, they took who they think were the best players. However to me looking at who they have drafted in the first round there is a leaning towards flankers and wingers.
Chesser over Hobbs / Johnson last year and Venebles over SPP are recent examples.

Also taking a needs approach, Priddis held down that inside mid spot for a good while.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I understand that the good balanced mids go early and maybe if I could be bothered to do an analysis the middle to late first rounders are mostly flankers. I'm not having a go at the club, they took who they think were the best players. However to me looking at who they have drafted in the first round there is a leaning towards flankers and wingers.
Chesser over Hobbs / Johnson last year and Venebles over SPP are recent examples.

Also just a point of order, Hobbs went before Chesser in the draft.

 

[DanWCE]

Also just a point of order, Hobbs went before Chesser in the draft.

But Hobbs was taken after we traded away our selection that we could've grabbed him.

 

[SetsSailForHome]

Also just a point of order, Hobbs went before Chesser in the draft.

only because we traded out of 12 - Hobbs went 13

 

[Happy Mastenator]

But Hobbs was taken after we traded away our selection that we could've grabbed him.

only because we traded out of 12 - Hobbs went 13

True, but as previously stated Hobbs had made it clear he didn't want to leave Victoria, and we picked up Ports second rounder this year to move down 2 spots. You have to make that trade.

 

[DanWCE]

True, but as previously stated Hobbs had made it clear he didn't want to leave Victoria, and we picked up Ports second rounder this year to move down 2 spots. You have to make that trade.

I agree, not sweating on missing Hobbs, just pointing out we could've had him if we wanted to. How long he'd have stayed is up for debate if anyone is interested (I'm not )

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

True, but as previously stated Hobbs had made it clear he didn't want to leave Victoria,

Was that actually reported, or was it just floated on here as a possible reason why we wouldn’t have been interested in him?

 

[06Premiers]

The real comparison will be Sinn vs Chesser

 

[Hook461123]

True, but as previously stated Hobbs had made it clear he didn't want to leave Victoria, and we picked up Ports second rounder this year to move down 2 spots. You have to make that trade.

Happy with the trade and hoping Chesser can come in next year and have an impact.
I remember thinking it was a brilliant trade at the time when we traded back and Johnson was still there, then we didn't take him anyway lol

 

[mattyc75]

I thought it was common knowledge that Hobbs made it clear he was not leaving Victoria, so was off the table.

Johnson slid a fair way, and hasn't set the WAFL alight so far.

Venebles was on track to be a much more productive modern day player that SPP before concussions got him.

Maybe we've gone best available, to really show a mistake you need to look at the ~5 players gone after our pick to see if they were better than our pick.

No venebles was not on track to be a much productive player. He was continuing on his juniors path of being a low possession half forward flanker. A much injured one at that

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[SetsSailForHome]

No venebles was not on track to be a much productive player. He was continuing on his juniors path of being a low possession half forward flanker. A much injured one at that

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Good enough to be in the starting 18 of a Grand Final winning team, as 20 year old

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Was that actually reported, or was it just floated on here as a possible reason why we wouldn’t have been interested in him?

I think it was rumour/speculation, but from memory it was pretty hot topic at the time.

 

[mattyc75]

Good enough to be in the starting 18 of a Grand Final winning team, as 20 year old

He did well to get there

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[Obeanie1]

Never said there was a mistake just a leaning towards certain types of players.

Yes. Best available with our 1st rounder. And in the 2nd half of the 1st round the best mids are gone. So we go flankers with midfield potential or a sliding tall.

When we had top 5 picks they were all mids including Nic.

You cant draft the best mids when they have been taken early so our draft hands were tied. Thats what that list shows.

 

[SetsSailForHome]

He did well to get there

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agreed - but I think he was progressing well enough to think he might factor a little more mid/fwd as he matured

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Good enough to be in the starting 18 of a Grand Final winning team, as 20 year old

Yes - as a hff

The correction was about Venables being on track for a high possession player. Despite the crap we were fed, Venables was a really good hff but was never going to be the mid we needed

 

[Obeanie1]

The real comparison will be Sinn vs Chesser

So far they are very even

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Yes - as a hff

The correction was about Venables being on track for a high possession player. Despite the crap we were fed, Venables was a really good hff but was never going to be the mid we needed

I said he was on track to be a much more productive player for modern football than SPP. I was not referring to straight possessions.

He had pace and skill, and was finding more of it on occasional games (including 17 touches in the prelim). I didn't expect him to end up with necessarily more possessions a game than SPP, but did expect him to use his pace to break lines and be more damaging.

SPP can't be a full time mid because he's not damaging with his disposal.

 

[mattyc75]

agreed - but I think he was progressing well enough to think he might factor a little more mid/fwd as he matured

We'll agree to disagree then

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[dajesmac]

The real comparison will be Sinn vs Chesser

Sinn vs Chesser & 26

 

[mattyc75]

I said he was on track to be a much more productive player for modern football than SPP. I was not referring to straight possessions.

He had pace and skill, and was finding more of it on occasional games (including 17 touches in the prelim). I didn't expect him to end up with necessarily more possessions a game than SPP, but did expect him to use his pace to break lines and be more damaging.

SPP can't be a full time mid because he's not damaging with his disposal.

I wouldve thought sam powell pepper always has been a much more damaging footballer than venebles, from tackles ,to possessions to goals he can actually do it all. Might not be the tidiest but much more impactful

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[Monocle]

Sinn vs Chesser & 26

This …. So much this.

 

[Chump Change]

True, but as previously stated Hobbs had made it clear he didn't want to leave Victoria, and we picked up Ports second rounder this year to move down 2 spots. You have to make that trade.

I don't want a player who says he's not willing to go to whatever club chooses him. Up until draft day they were talking him up as 4-7 range.

 

[Chump Change]

Was that actually reported, or was it just floated on here as a possible reason why we wouldn’t have been interested in him?

I've never heard that before. Maybe it was just on here?

 

[Chump Change]

Yes - as a hff

The correction was about Venables being on track for a high possession player. Despite the crap we were fed, Venables was a really good hff but was never going to be the mid we needed

I always though he was going to end up on the HBF. I didn't think he was going to make it as a mid.