List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Get_The_Gaff]

So we play one short with him playing because the grand scheme he doesn’t really matter?

He cant defend or apply any defensive pressure at all so at least there is that so playing one short isn’t that great an idea..

If your still a fringe player after 6 years on a list you shouldn’t be on a list… after next year it will be 7.

Now Georgiades at the age of 20 averages better over this season and also a career than Waterman in most key stats in the game.. goals per game,score involvements, tackles in forward 50, contested marks, marks inside 50.

Is he going to be the difference between us now and winning a flag? No- but id rather but games into him than someone who has had plenty of chances to prove he belongs.

What would you rather

Option 1 Delist waterman and give pick 20 to Port for Georgiades

Option 2 keep waterman and use pick 20 in the draft .

I would take option 1 .

Also waterman has always been 4th fiddle in a forward line starved of i50s .

Not just this year but every year since 2018 we have failed to generate enough scoring opportunities

 

[UseR2006]

From the West -

"According to the Herald Sun’s 100-player rich list, the Eagles are estimated to be spending more than $6m of their $13m cap on Jeremy McGovern

20

Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

32

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

, Andrew Gaff

3

Andrew Gaff

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.6

5star

K

15.9

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

, Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

, Elliot Yeo

6

Elliot Yeo

Age

31

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.5

5star

MG

377.9

5star

D

18.9

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

5.8

5star

MG

287.4

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.6

3star

, Luke Shuey

13

Luke Shuey

Age

34

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

18.7

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Nic Naitanui alone.

And most of them are locked into long-term deals, with only Shuey and Naitanui out of contract at the end of this season."

 

[RanaNaved]

I would be very unhappy if we selected Cadman. KPF is not a position of most need in the immediate future. He would be in direct competition with OAllen and therefore struggling for a game. Last night showed without doubt that it is the midfield that needs reviving as a priority. Unless Cadman is a generational talent, and I don’t think he fits this category, then why would we even be considering him?

KPF not an immediate need? Probably not, but we're at ground level in our rebuild, and JD is getting on too. Not much else beyond Allen.

 

[Keys]

From the West -

"According to the Herald Sun’s 100-player rich list, the Eagles are estimated to be spending more than $6m of their $13m cap on Jeremy McGovern, Andrew Gaff, Tim Kelly, Jack Darling, Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui alone.

And most of them are locked into long-term deals, with only Shuey and Naitanui out of contract at the end of this season."

Eagles spending STAGGERING amount on seven stars

West Coast’s salary cap squeeze has been laid bare, with the two-win Eagles spending nearly half on just seven players, five of which are 30 or older.

www.perthnow.com.au

All of those contracts, bar Kelly, will be off our books by the end of 2024

And most, if not all, of those players had contract offers from rival clubs of greater or equal value when they signed those contracts

 

[WCErevival]

Thats not really new news is it?

 

[boondy]

If Shuey and Nic Nat are out of contract at the end of this season then offer a minimum contract . If they move on as free agents for more money then we take the picks . They have both been on big bucks for long enough while injured . They owe the club iether by taking a low contract or leave and give us compo picks .

 

[Keys]

KPF not an immediate need? Probably not, but we're at ground level in our rebuild, and JD is getting on too. Not much else beyond Allen.

We’ve got Jack Williams who admittedly is a long term project who may not make it

Your point is valid though that we could do with another quality KPF to start developing but what we shouldn’t be doing is reaching for one when we have an opportunity to use a rare (for us) high pick on our biggest weakness which is the midfield

 

[MrWoollie]

Eagles spending STAGGERING amount on seven stars

West Coast’s salary cap squeeze has been laid bare, with the two-win Eagles spending nearly half on just seven players, five of which are 30 or older.

www.perthnow.com.au

All of those contracts, bar Kelly, will be off our books by the end of 2024

And most, if not all, of those players had contract offers from rival clubs of greater or equal value when they signed those contracts

While this is nothing really new it does point out that we have another two years of 'no money' pain before we can start spending and paying guys like Barrass and OAllen what they're worth.

And does this mean that guys like that are vulnerable for poaching while we're stuck paying guys like Gaff and co. the big bucks?
Edit - accepting TB signed a 5 year I believe. It's the whole picture that is worrying.

 

[Keys]

While this is nothing really new it does point out that we have another two years of 'no money' pain before we can start spending and paying guys like Barrass and OAllen what they're worth.

And does this mean that guys like that are vulnerable for poaching while we're stuck paying guys like Gaff and co. the big bucks?
Edit - accepting TB signed a 5 year I believe. It's the whole picture that is worrying.

Barrass is contracted until 2027 and Allen until 2025 so they’re secure

We’ve also contracted Chesser until 2025

Not sure who else is on our list that other clubs are going to be throwing big money at to poach in the next two years

 

[The wily weagle]

Nic Nat, on dollars per minute played, would be the highest paid player in the league

Imagine getting $700k to play half a game every week. That's $1.4 million for a full game

I suppose we got something of a bargain

 

[RanaNaved]

We’ve got Jack Williams who admittedly is a long term project who may not make it

Your point is valid though that we could do with another quality KPF to start developing but what we shouldn’t be doing is reaching for one when we have an opportunity to use a rare (for us) high pick on our biggest weakness which is the midfield

I'm not sure it would be a reach. After Ashcroft, the top 6 or 7 players look very even.

 

[Chump Change]

KPF not an immediate need? Probably not, but we're at ground level in our rebuild, and JD is getting on too. Not much else beyond Allen.

We do need one, but I'd rather wait until next draft to see what's available as there doesn't seem to be anyone worthy of a top 10 pick let alone top 3

 

[Keys]

Nic Nat, on dollars per minute played, would be the highest paid player in the league

Imagine getting $700k to play half a game every week. That's $1.4 million for a full game

I suppose we got something of a bargain

His current deal was for 2020,21 and 22

In two of those of years he won our B&F and made All Australian

 

[RanaNaved]

We do need one, but I'd rather wait until next draft to see what's available as there doesn't seem to be anyone worthy of a top 10 pick let alone top 3

Cadman will go top 10 for sure

 

[Goroyals22]

What would you rather

Option 1 Delist waterman and give pick 20 to Port for Georgiades

Option 2 keep waterman and use pick 20 in the draft .

I would take option 1 .

Also waterman has always been 4th fiddle in a forward line starved of i50s .

Not just this year but every year since 2018 we have failed to generate enough scoring opportunities

Neither…. However if I had to pick one id take the trade. Waterman will be next years Nelson. Held onto for far to long.

 

[Chump Change]

Cadman will go top 10 for sure

Sure, because there'll always be a club who really wants a KPF in the top 10.

 

[RanaNaved]

Sure, because there'll always be a club who really wants a KPF in the top 10.

Especially a good one like Cadman

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What would you rather

Option 1 Delist waterman and give pick 20 to Port for Georgiades

Option 2 keep waterman and use pick 20 in the draft .

I would take option 1 .

Also waterman has always been 4th fiddle in a forward line starved of i50s .

Not just this year but every year since 2018 we have failed to generate enough scoring opportunities

I’d take option 3.

Take pick 20 to the draft, waterman stays as cheap back up. Play second ruck/fwd alongside Allen and darling. Reality is that Ryan is the third tall given ability to play out of goal square and marking ability.

Seriously which third tall in the league is worth pick 20? Maybe Bailey fritsch. Then who? They are neither a key forward or a genuine small forward or capable of being a midfielder who rests forward. Really not worth much.

 

[Obeanie1]

If Shuey and Nic Nat are out of contract at the end of this season then offer a minimum contract . If they move on as free agents for more money then we take the picks . They have both been on big bucks for long enough while injured . They owe the club iether by taking a low contract or leave and give us compo picks .

JK retired.

Shuey and Nic with new 1 year deals.

And our aimis to hitthe draft, which is the cheapest way to bring in talent.

Yeo and Gov may get an extra year to spread things out.

It means that we arent in the market for a big $$ trade or fa for two years. So what? We dont want that right now. We want young talent to develop.

 

[Chump Change]

Especially a good one like Cadman

Well, we'll see. I don't know how he will turn out but his kicking is a massive red flag for me.

 

[Obeanie1]

I’d take option 3.

Take pick 20 to the draft, waterman stays as cheap back up. Play second ruck/fwd alongside Allen and darling. Reality is that Ryan is the third tall given ability to play out of goal square and marking ability.

Seriously which third tall in the league is worth pick 20? Maybe Bailey fritsch. Then who? They are neither a key forward or a genuine small forward or capable of being a midfielder who rests forward. Really not worth much.

So Breust when he was younger wasnt worth much?

Hird?

Le cras?

A good medium forward who kicks clutch goals is worth more than you are making out.

 

[Bacchus]

How I’d like to see us line up in Round 1 next year assuming full availability

Backs : Barrass (C), McGovern, Hurn, Duggan, Cole, Jones, Yeo/Hough

Rucks : Naitanui, ?????

Mids: Kelly, Culley, Sheed, O’Neill, Chesser, Hough/Yeo Shuey/Rioli

Forwards : Darling, Allen, Waterman, Cripps, Ryan, Rioli/Shuey

Notes :
1) There is no clear back up option for Naitanui highlighting our need to find a mature back up on the off-season - someone like Meek for example
2) I know it’s unlikely Gaff won’t be in the side but it should only happen if he gets back to what he used to offer. There’s no future for the 2022 version of Gaff in a fully fit side
3) Redden probably unlucky but we need to be prioritising youth so he becomes good injury cover and a mentor at WAFL level
4) The likes of Clark, Petrevski-Seton and Luke Edwards need to be putting pressure on those I’ve named in the midfield along with our first 2022 draft pick.
5) Wanted to get Petruccelle in there but went with Waterman (3rd tall) and Cripps (more consistent) instead. Ideally, he’s pushing Cripps out of the side
6) Yeo and Shuey should only be part time rotations through the midfield with time spent off half back and half forward respectively

Agree that Gaff cannot and should not be selected playing like he is now, no matter how many bank credits he has and how big his contract is. If he can’t play better than he has been he needs to play in the twos or settle his contract. Just woeful what he’s doing atm.

 

[Rowan18]

Eagles spending STAGGERING amount on seven stars

West Coast’s salary cap squeeze has been laid bare, with the two-win Eagles spending nearly half on just seven players, five of which are 30 or older.

www.perthnow.com.au

All of those contracts, bar Kelly, will be off our books by the end of 2024

And most, if not all, of those players had contract offers from rival clubs of greater or equal value when they signed those contracts

Exactly, it is not an issue at all. Every club will have a top 6 or 7 with a similar situation. Our biggest problem will be paying 95% of the salary cap in 2025, with all the money from Gov, Gaff, Shuey and Naitanui gone. It starts this year, with Shuey and Nic to be facing a big pay cut in their next deals.

 

[Chump Change]

So Breust when he was younger wasnt worth much?

Hird?

Le cras?

A good medium forward who kicks clutch goals is worth more than you are making out.

Hird, lol.

The chance of drafting someone at 20 who is better that Georgeades is slim. The question is, do we want to have another pick in the lucky dip to jag someone better?

 

[Obeanie1]

KPF not an immediate need? Probably not, but we're at ground level in our rebuild, and JD is getting on too. Not much else beyond Allen.

KP forwards take time to develop. More time than mids. The elite mids are ready to go within 1-2 years. Talls, much longer.

So unless we are trading one in in 2025 we ned to draft one and develop them, and soon.