List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Godfather32]

And Barrass is well and truly a stupid idea to trade. Gaff and Shuey look cooked. Nelson can go but who would take him?

The dockers might take Nelson just so he can't play on Brayshaw anymore

 

[Keys]

And that supports what I said earlier. Now until end of 2024 is a world of salary cap pain.

Agree that come end of 2024 things clear up as we offload the huge salaries that are currently killing us. It's up until then we suffer.

And the things that absolutely sh*t me are...
1) a lot of people saw this coming; and
2) we are not getting anything like value out of these guys (Except JD).

I've long held the belief that player salaries lag performance and output for young guys and performance and output lags salaries for old guys. With young guys you get value+ for money while old guys are fading away in both output and durability while still commanding the big bucks.
Therefore an old, overpaid list will generally underperform what they are being paid. WCE 2022 anyone?

If we were contending for a flag the next 2 years (which quite clearly we aren’t) our salary cap would be more of an issue because we would struggle to get in quality players like we did Jetta and Redden to fill specific roles

We’ve got a couple of years at least of hitting the draft to get as much young talent in as we can. The salary cap won’t impact that at all

It’ll be after 2024 that hopefully we will be in a position to round out our list via trades and/or FA

I don’t think the tight cap currently is as big a problem as you’re making out. Like I said it’s a hangover of rewarding players for their form when we were successfully contending

 

[the harry]

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Haha... like who??

Darling.

 

[Godfather32]

Darling.

Not against it (would move McGovern to the forward line if was traded) but it seems unlikely to happen.
I suppose a team in the finals might decide he's the piece that puts them over the top next year but you still have to convince him to move. Maybe if there was a Tassie team.

 

[Lazzas]

Waterman has had plenty of chances?

No he hasnt. He's been played all over the shop behind JK, JD and Allen. He been pushed up the ground and also into defense.

He also has had the worse midfield in tthe AFL kicking to other players, not him.

And people are sinking the boot in. Just image if he had a half decent midfield kicking it to him. Until then we will not know if he is good enough.

Exactly, and with the lack of inside 50s year all forwards have been hampered.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

We should take Fiorini from the Suns. Would come cheapish.

Brodie 2.0, in that I can see similar performances for a second club.

 

[Spooky17]

We should take Fiorini from the Suns. Would come cheapish.

Brodie 2.0, in that I can see similar performances for a second club.

I like this idea.

Or in a similar vein, Perryman and Dev Robertson.

I recall these two, plus Fiorini, featured prominently in Dylan’s excellent analysis thread of diamonds in the rough.

 

[mattyc75]

I'd happily keep Shuey as a HFF who rotates through the midfield for 5 minutes per quarter to give a chop out.

On a reduced contract obviously which will help the current cap squeeze

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[jesterwester]

I’d be quite content seeing Shuey off a HFF. I think he would prove a regular goal kicker and be a real attacking threat in our forward 50 stoppages. He’s an excellent set shot too- minus Kennedy he would be one I would be happy to stake my life on.

He’s coming to the end, of course- but overall I think he makes us better when he’s fit. I’m not sure he has been all season in fairness.

 

[Cuzz09]

Shuey has the ability to kick 30+ if he can stay on the park and play fwd

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[CursoryMercenary]

We should take Fiorini from the Suns. Would come cheapish.

Brodie 2.0, in that I can see similar performances for a second club.

Recent recyables haven't really worked out for us. He's played 29 games in the last 3 seasons is he injury prone?

 

[kane249]

Recent recyables haven't really worked out for us. He's played 29 games in the last 3 seasons is he injury prone?

Fell out of favour with Dew.

Questions about his defensive running and disposal from memory.

 

[JackOutback]

Every one of those players on good contracts earned them and most have performed pretty well. NN was B&F twice, Kelly, Darling and McGovern have been reliably very good. Shuey and Yeo affected by injuries is the most disappointing. Only Gaff really fell off a cliff.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Darling.

Darling pissed me off with this whole vaccine conundrum but he reminded me just how serviceable he can be.

He would be more valuable to us than what we will get in a trade. And if we traded him.....What does that mean for our forward line?

Allan / Waterman and who Dixon? - **** that!

 

[briztoon]

We should take Fiorini from the Suns. Would come cheapish.

Brodie 2.0, in that I can see similar performances for a second club.

Word on the Suns board, is that some of their fringe players are for sale, with a second round pick attached.

The bigger the contract, the higher the attached pick.

Fiorini one of the names mentioned.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Word on the Suns board, is that some of their fringe players are for sale, with a second round pick attached.

The bigger the contract, the higher the attached pick.

Fiorini one of the names mentioned.

3 weeks of 30 plus possies and this week 17 clearances is similar to Brodie's output who has done well at Freo.

 

[Godfather32]

3 weeks of 30 plus possies and this week 17 clearances is similar to Brodie's output who has done well at Freo.

14 tackles too

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Herald Sun did their rich list today, so here's our takeaway.

West Coast’s salary cap squeeze has been laid bare, with the two-win Eagles spending nearly half their money on just seven players - five of which are 30 or older.

According to the Herald Sun’s 100-player rich list, the Eagles are estimated to be spending more than $6m of their $13m cap on Jeremy McGovern

20

Jeremy Mcgovern

Age

32

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

238.7

4star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

183.4

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

, Andrew Gaff

3

Andrew Gaff

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.6

5star

K

15.9

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

, Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, Jack Darling

28

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

, Elliot Yeo

6

Elliot Yeo

Age

31

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.5

5star

MG

377.9

5star

D

18.9

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

5.8

5star

MG

287.4

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.6

3star

, Luke Shuey

13

Luke Shuey

Age

34

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

18.7

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Nic Naitanui alone.

I'm sure we loaded them in various ways but Shuey ($850k) and Nic's ($750k) big deals come off the books this year, Gov ($1.1m) next year, Yeo ($850k)/Gaff ($900k)/Darling ($850k) the year after.

Would gladly eat a shit contract for two years if it came with a pick attached.

 

[Godfather32]

Herald Sun did their rich list today, so here's our takeaway.



I'm sure we loaded them in various ways but Shuey and Nic's big deals come off the books this year, Gov next year, Yeo/Gaff/Darling the year after.

Would gladly eat a s**t contract from two years if it came with a pick attached.

Or do they?

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

14 tackles too

It's been a very good run of form at VFL level.

 

[Ace McKane]

Herald Sun did their rich list today, so here's our takeaway.



I'm sure we loaded them in various ways but Shuey and Nic's big deals come off the books this year, Gov next year, Yeo/Gaff/Darling the year after.

Would gladly eat a s**t contract from two years if it came with a pick attached.

Gaff is the only other Eagle in the top 20 at $900,000

Oh my.

 

[Godfather32]

It's been a very good run of form at VFL level.

Must be a reason he's in and out of the side though

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Had a crack at a Round 1, 2023 team. Tried for a 7/8/7 defender/midfielder/forward structure, but went with 7/9/6 instead as we have to be rotating Shuey onto the flanks more as we go, plus have seen good things from Kelly there when we've had other mids able to service the forward line while he's down there.

This is a mix of what I want and what I expect (e.g. Gaff will be picked even though I wouldn't be going near him next year), and assumes full health which is folly.

Ages as of Round 1, 2023.

 

[FKASC]

Must be a reason he's in and out of the side though

absolute ball butcher

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Or do they?

Their big deals do. They'll go around again but surely on nowhere near the coin.