List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[ziad]

That's also a no for me. Collecting average players in the midfield generally sends you backwards.

Average palyers = average team. The opportunity cost is the lost potential young tallent. We have to take the long road.

 

[Sammy J]

If we traded in a mature ruckman, lets call him Lloyd Meek. Would we consider not giving NN a new contract for 2023?

Nope. Meek at his best is still not close to the player a healthy Naitanui is.

Give Nic a 1yr extension and see how his body responds in 2023. A mature Ruck backup is a must though - we need that insurance.

 

[Keys]

If we traded in a mature ruckman, lets call him Lloyd Meek. Would we consider not giving NN a new contract for 2023?

I think it’s more likely that Williams gets moved on in that scenario (I’m assuming that the unconfirmed reports Jamieson has been contracted for next year are true)

 

[WCEforeverman]

I know there is some temptation to cut the veterans off the list pay-out contracts and 'play the kids' from day one next year you still have to be careful of not burning out the kids (Culley, pick 2 ect.).

Additionally, I don't think the Eagles want to get a reputation of ****ing off contracted veterans when it suits the club. If the club gets a 'bad' reputation then it can make it harder to re-sign players and attract free agents/trade targets. Most of the AFL is managed by a small number of agents and they all talk to each other.

 

[Rowan18]

Nope. Meek at his best is still not close to the player a healthy Naitanui is.

Give Nic a 1yr extension and see how his body responds in 2023. A mature Ruck backup is a must though - we need that insurance.

We're not getting another Naitanui level ruck unless one comes along that is worthy of a top 10 draft selection. Then we have to wait 4-5 years for them to develop.

We need a stop-gap B grader. They same way we got Sinclair, Hickey and Vardy. Meek would fulfill this role. I would see Nic Nat staying on for 12 months (club will let him retire on his terms). The young rucks develop in the WAFL and play AFL when Nic Nat is injured (which will probably be every few games, as he is dropping off a cliff).

 

[JennyTaylor]

Id rather Williams delisted and trade for Meek. Let Meek get a year under his belt as 2nd string ruck then takes over full time in 2024.

Id be surprised if NicNat plays 15 more games in his career. Not easy to motivate a 33 yo ruckman with 2 dodgy knees and no hope of finals.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Question I have then is can we move Guv forward and have him join with NicNat as our 2 rucks? It is pretty clear that Bailey and Callum are not really good enough (hopefully that is YET not permanently) but I sense a weakness when either are listed in our best 22. I think Gov as a KPF would be giving us so much more than what NicNat, Callum or Bailey could do. It would also be a way of leaving NicNat more behind the ball and Gov taking the forward stoppages.

Why would I take an AA defender and move him? Guv has not been an AA the last 2 years. With Yeo as a defender, he is more than capable of taking the 3rd tall. That would leave us Bazzo at CHF and Barrass as FB. Harry is the depth in case of injury. In case of double injury, Guv might need to return. I am

Maybe I am seeing too much in Bazzo and overstating what development I envisage he will have over the summer but it is worth exploring.

Playing Gov in that role allows us to delist Dixon. Our tall forward options at present are really only Oscar and Jack with Dixon and JWilliams (still WIP).

I am also a little concerned as to where Waterman will fit in come 2023. He is not great as the 3rd tall. As a small/general forward, he is not an automatic inclusion. He will be battling against Cripps, Ryan, Rioli, Sheed, Petruccelle, Langdon and SPS for a gig. he has played 20 games and just kicked 18 goals for the season, so under a goal a game.

The way I’m reading this Fiorini trade is we give up a future 2nd and get a 2nd round pick this year in return (a likely downgrade) along with Fiorini and his salary

That’s a no from me. We give up a pick in the 19-24 range in a stronger draft year for a pick in the 25-30 range in this year’s reportedly weaker draft. Just so we can get a fringe player from another bottom 8 club on an inflated salary

If it was a future 3rd (37-42) going back instead then perhaps but it sounds like that’s not what the Suns are chasing

best base for me is a future 3rd

They are selling in a weaker market. Will they suck other clubs into another Brodie trade? It’s 2 parts - a salary dump and a pick year swap so they cannot expect niceties

 

[Keys]

Gov going forward and sharing the ruck has some appeal. Our defence has held up reasonably well without him and moving him forward allows for games to be put into HEdwards and/or Bazzo

Main concern would be his durability in the ruck especially as he’s now suffered two significant rib injuries

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The way I’m reading this Fiorini trade is we give up a future 2nd and get a 2nd round pick this year in return (a likely downgrade) along with Fiorini and his salary

That’s a no from me. We give up a pick in the 19-24 range in a stronger draft year for a pick in the 25-30 range in this year’s reportedly weaker draft. Just so we can get a fringe player from another bottom 8 club on an inflated salary

If it was a future 3rd (37-42) going back instead then perhaps but it sounds like that’s not what the Suns are chasing

What if we get back one of Freo/Pies second rounder picks 31/32 and Firoini for next years third?

Not sure what he's on salary wise, but that starts looking better. They probably aren't giving up 25 and Fiorini without our second going back next year.

Edit: please note i don't advocate getting Fiorini, he's already 25, and has enough flaws i'm not interested.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think it’s more likely that Williams gets moved on in that scenario (I’m assuming that the unconfirmed reports Jamieson has been contracted for next year are true)

Did Rhino ever respond to your tweet about that?

 

[Keys]

Did Rhino ever respond to your tweet about that?

Nope

 

[mattyc75]

Gov going forward and sharing the ruck has some appeal. Our defence has held up reasonably well without him and moving him forward allows for games to be put into HEdwards and/or Bazzo

Main concern would be his durability in the ruck especially as he’s now suffered two significant rib injuries

Hurns been a big part of the backline holding up, if he plays on he'll be a year slower, and his kicking will be even shorter.

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[Rowan18]

Gov going forward and sharing the ruck has some appeal. Our defence has held up reasonably well without him and moving him forward allows for games to be put into HEdwards and/or Bazzo

Main concern would be his durability in the ruck especially as he’s now suffered two significant rib injuries

I was pondering the injury risk too. Is the ruck any more chance than continually going for pack marks? KPP get smashed in each contest and the players that lose the mark often make you earn it.

 

[Hook461123]

1 more game to go

Delist
Dixon JK Trew Langdon
Naish Shep West
Joyce Nelson
Strnadica Witherden

Main List
Jones

Trade
Gov
Gaff
Petrol

Last chance Saloon
Winder
Rotham
Foley
Clark
LEdwards
SPS
Waterman

Rnd 1 2023
Cole Hedwards Duggan
Jones Barrass Yeo

Hough Kelly Sheed

Cripps Allen Rioli
Ryan Darling Shuey

Nic Nat, Culley, O'Neill

Int: BWilliams, Pick 2, Bazzo, Chesser

Emg: Hurn, Redden, Waterman, LEdwards

 

[BOND 007]

If we traded in a mature ruckman, lets call him Lloyd Meek. Would we consider not giving NN a new contract for 2023?

No. Seriously there are a few on here who have taken leave of their senses.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

No. Seriously there are a few on here who have taken leave of their senses.

No different to Pie Man when it's his turn to pick, and there a player available who hasn't played regular footy since his U16 year due to injury.

Bonus points if he played HBF, but has midfield potential.

 

[eagle1]

No. Seriously there are a few on here who have taken leave of their senses.

I would tend to agree, I think we sometimes forget that a year ago Nic Nat was our B&F for the second year running.
He has obviously been playing the last few weeks under duress and I would suggest that if our injury situation was better he wouldn't be playing at all, he would have already been placed in cotton wool.
Lets see what he can do with a rest and a solid pre season under his belt before we consign him to the retirement home.
I think he still has a fair bit to offer.

 

[BOND 007]

No different to Pie Man when it's his turn to pick, and there a player available who hasn't played regular footy since his U16 year due to injury.

Bonus points if he played HBF, but has midfield potential.

Unhappy with Chesser I take it?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Whats the best selection possible for 2023?
Obviously as a single coach making all the decisions it's wn win win, yet others around will have their opinion on individual players through the week and the club may have an agenda to push for youth or a returning champion etc

I would be giving Simmo a mixture of KPI's for 2023

1. Minimum number of players under 22 selected each week
2. Contested football differential
3. Inside 50 differential
4. Successful implementation of new game plan (does not have to be perfectly executed yet)

I would be replicating these to Robert Wiley at the WAFL level

2023 feels a lot more about setting ourselves up for 2024/25

 

[UseR2006]

Just more Will Ashcroft pushing Dev Robertson closer to the exit. Be interesting to see if we go for Fiorini or Robertson or hit the draft with our second rounders.

Watched that game, Wasn't as impressed with Ashcroft as I was expecting. lots of cheap possessions without much damage.
Of those 32, 20 were handballs.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I think it’s more likely that Williams gets moved on in that scenario (I’m assuming that the unconfirmed reports Jamieson has been contracted for next year are true)

Reported that it was eminent by the West but nothing official that I am aware of. There again, nothing unusual about that.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Unhappy with Chesser I take it?

Keen to see how he goes next year, three (?) years after he last played regular footy

Also keen to see us grab Wardlaw, confident our medical team can fix his paper hammies. Maybe he can board with Petch?

PS: I'm (mainly) mucking around, I tend to back the recruiting team.

 

[Keys]

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Reported that it was eminent by the West but nothing official that I am aware of. There again, nothing unusual about that.

Yeah that’s why I’m assuming he’s contracted despite no official word from the club and I haven’t seen him on any uncontracted player lists in the media

BOND 007 are you able to confirm if Jamieson signed a new deal or not?

 

[mattyc75]

1 more game to go

Delist
Dixon JK Trew Langdon
Naish Shep West
Joyce Nelson
Strnadica Witherden

Main List
Jones

Trade
Gov
Gaff
Petrol

Last chance Saloon
Winder
Rotham
Foley
Clark
LEdwards
SPS
Waterman

Rnd 1 2023
Cole Hedwards Duggan
Jones Barrass Yeo

Hough Kelly Sheed

Cripps Allen Rioli
Ryan Darling Shuey

Nic Nat, Culley, O'Neill

Int: BWilliams, Pick 2, Bazzo, Chesser

Emg: Hurn, Redden, Waterman, LEdwards

Cant imagine anyone would want gaff, even if we pay half his salary. He's a bit shiit.


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[AsterixTheGaul]

Unhappy with Chesser I take it?

I am happy with the concept of Chesser but he has yet to play. All the buzz pre-season was that we had a winner. That makes it almost no football in 3 years. So there is hope but without proof, it is still a potential dream.

I thought the Pieman had reduced his mode of picking sliders who have an injury concern, at least with early picks. Venables was the last one I was worried about and to be fair, he came good. The selection of Joyce was an absolute classic this year.

Now the Pieman choosing Culley was out of character. Good move but out of character.