Cousins V Judd

[JSFish]

Yeah great point Shagger. I mean aside from Richo, Browny, Simmo, and Bowden, who finished 3rd, 9th, 6th, and out of the top 10 in our B and F, we basically had no contributions.

 

[foley4brownlow]

Thanx Tiger fans! This thread gave me a great laugh!

yea thanks for appointing maxwell captain that gave me a great laugh

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

What are you trying to prove by arguing that you "won"?

It's merely the to-and-fro of a bitter rivalry that goes back 100 years. Personally, I'm not arguing that we won anything with Cousins drafting, I'm arguing that Carlton suck and we hate their guts.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I'm arguing that Carlton suck and we hate their guts.

Fair enough, then.

 

[1980]

I understand you really wanting to beat them whenever you play them.

But this is not a situation where you are in competition with each other.

The Judd deal and your decision to draft Cousins are separate episodes.

You would never have got Judd. Carlton would never have drafted Cousins.

What are you trying to prove by arguing that you "won"?

Good for you Gunnar. You've done a great job arguing against yourself.

Cousins will be great for us. You can write him off, but he will be be in our best players 2HY of 2009. For the RFC, he will be the difference betweeen finishing in the top 8 or the challenging for the top 4.

According to your sicophancy, its a given Judd will drive Carlton to a top 4 spot. We'll see.

 

[1980]

For what it's worth Gunnar, we aren't all stupid. I agree with pretty much everything you've said in this thread.

So FWIW, R1 you'll be cheering Cousins or Judd?

And remind me which team do you support again?

 

[1980]

Mate, I lived there for 20 years, and spent a fair chunk of that time living in those inner northeast suburbs. So don't give me this line about you being an expert and me not knowing anything about Melbourne.

You're resorting to a "shows how much you know" argument yet again. It's ordinary.

Your comment was that Richmond was inner-city, so was totally different to Carlton. I'm just pointing out the inadequacy of that explanation as Carlton is also inner-city.

If you want to compare the circumstances, then you can easily argue that the Tigers got a better deal, because they didn't have to trade for Cousins.

If that's your only argument, it goes without saying.

But if you are comparing the players, and suggesting that Richmond got the more valuable player, you're kidding yourself.

Would you swap for Cousins for Judd?

You'd be crazy not to.

Is there or is there not a cultural a difference between Carlton and Richmond?

Do me a favor an enlighten me with your 20 years experience of FA

and since you're an expert on the subject, why did Judd choose to be traded to Carlton?

I say it was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And you say what?

 

[Bradles21]

Whatever, champ.

You bristled at suggestions that Judd has played his best footy. Now you're just saying that that's not the be-all and end-all - you're happy with how he's going, even if he doesn't match what he delivered at the Eagles.

That's some vintage goalpost-shifting.

You either reject the suggestion that his best footy is behind him, or you don't.

or i can have my opinion that he still has his best footy in him "champ" and still be open to others opinions that he wont recapture his form from '04 and "state if that happens i'd still be happy with his output like 08" pretty sure didn't move any goal posts, called having an opinion and not letting others have one too

 

[digs20]

check out this little number I cranked out last night...

http://megaswf.com/view/37b1a2cafbbdfe004d75f0a52a575db2.html

The Curious Case of Benjamin Cousins

 

[daveymak]

juddy is the best player going around. just dont all bet on him at once for the 09 brownlow i want good odds

 

[JSFish]

So FWIW, R1 you'll be cheering Cousins or Judd?

And remind me which team do you support again?

Sorry champ but you're a terrible poster and you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You argue one thing, then when someone disagrees you acuse them of something completely different. Give up.

Why does me believing 7 or 8 years of Judd is better than a couple of years of Cousins mean I want Judd to perform better? Does that also mean that when I say Gary Ablett Junior is a better player than Jarrod Oakleigh Nicholls I effectively barrack for Geelong when we play them?

I support Richmond by the way. Silly boy, it says it in bold just to the left there.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

check out this little number I cranked out last night...

http://megaswf.com/view/37b1a2cafbbdfe004d75f0a52a575db2.html

The Curious Case of Benjamin Cousins

Poor old Aint's supporters.... just like Pommy soccer fans, all they'll ever have to cling onto is memories of '66....

 

[1980]

Sorry champ but you're a terrible poster and you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You argue one thing, then when someone disagrees you acuse them of something completely different. Give up.

Why does me believing 7 or 8 years of Judd is better than a couple of years of Cousins mean I want Judd to perform better? Does that also mean that when I say Gary Ablett Junior is a better player than Jarrod Oakleigh Nicholls I effectively barrack for Geelong when we play them?

I support Richmond by the way. Silly boy, it says it in bold just to the left there.

So dont spend so much time posting on my threads or answering my posts then.

Hyprocrite

Put the 7 or 8 years of Judd in same context as the OP before you accuse me of switching arguments.

7 years of Judd puts the club at its max for player payments, 3 high draft picks down and sky high expectations. Cousins comes for nothing and anything we get out of him is a bonus. Lets see what people say about Judd if the Blues done make the finals in 2009.

And Cousins back to the wall situation fits right in with where our club is at.

And Judd doesnt play for our footy club. Cousins now does.

 

[JSFish]

So dont spend so much time posting on my threads or answering my posts then.

a) Easy pickings
b) You aren't the only person posting in this thread.

Hyprocrite

Sorry? How?

Put the 7 or 8 years of Judd in same context as the OP before you accuse me of switching arguments.

7 years of Judd puts the club at its max for player payments, 3 high draft picks down and sky high expectations. Cousins comes for nothing and anything we get out of him is a bonus. Lets see what people say about Judd if the Blues done make the finals in 2009.

You've gone over this with Gunnar. I don't disagree that Cousins for free is better than Judd for what we would have had to give up. But going back to your OP, the last 4 of your points seemed to imply that Cousins was going to be more beneficial to the club than Judd as a player - that is, not taking what we had to give up to get him into account.

And Cousins back to the wall situation fits right in with where our club is at.

What does that even mean?

And Judd doesnt play for our footy club. Cousins now does.

Good pickup. That doesn't change the fact that Judd on your list is better than Cousins on your list.

For what it's worth, I'm glad we got Cousins. His upside is huge, and while there's fairly large potential for failure, how many players that you pick up at pick 6 in the PSD don't have this potential?
Comparing his worth to Judd as a player from here on in in their careers though is ridiculous.

 

[1980]

a) Easy pickings
b) You aren't the only person posting in this thread.


Sorry? How?


You've gone over this with Gunnar. I don't disagree that Cousins for free is better than Judd for what we would have had to give up. But going back to your OP, the last 4 of your points seemed to imply that Cousins was going to be more beneficial to the club than Judd as a player - that is, not taking what we had to give up to get him into account.


What does that even mean?


Good pickup. That doesn't change the fact that Judd on your list is better than Cousins on your list.

For what it's worth, I'm glad we got Cousins. His upside is huge, and while there's fairly large potential for failure, how many players that you pick up at pick 6 in the PSD don't have this potential?
Comparing his worth to Judd as a player from here on in in their careers though is ridiculous.

The last 4 of my points were about Judd being a nerd. Did you really take them to heart?

How seriously did you take a statement that we dont want Judd because he is bald?

Are you really that gullible?

 

[JSFish]

I hope most of that OP was a joke.

Indicates that yes I had a fair idea that it was a joke. The lack of certainty came from being unaware if you were as unintelligent as a large number of people on Bigfooty.

I will admit I hadn't read the OP since I started arguing with you, until just now. Going back to it now, I realise that in my previous post, rather than saying 'your last 4 points', I should've quoted this:

Cousins wont win another brownlow, but he'll be better for us than Judd will be for them

Effectively, that is what you and Gunnar argued over, and that is what you and I are now arguing over. You've failed to properly address this point.

 

[cuzzy_bandwagon]

better looking mrs? wow ...r t is a pig man

 

[emperor]

LMAO @ 'cuzzy bandwagon' and also all the other trolls/ferals that have joined since the 'Cuz Coup'

Also once again Judd = nerd

LMAO!

 

[beaver fever]

Such a nerd. Probably reading the Hobbit and having a LAN party at the moment.

 

[JSFish]

I bet he's wearing a polo too. Ralph Lauren.

 

[TigerBoy888]

120 Photos of Ben Cousins & other Richmond Boys Training on 17-12-2008
http://www.jbprophoto.com/bencousinsphotosdec2008.htm

 

[johnson252525]

i wish kangas had of got ben cousins

mike sheahan rated cousins the 42nd best player of all time and judd wasn't in the top 50 - but probably would be if done in a couple of years

good luck richmond -

 

[smasha]

Cousins v Judd will be the classic battle of good versus evil.

On the side of evil is Chris Judd - the mercenary who walked out on the club he was captain of to chase a dollar at a club coached by Brett 'Rat' Ratten, evil son of the the evil conglomorate that is carlton.

On the side of good is Ben Cousins - a previously troubled soul who has fought his way back from the brink. Bringing hope to thousands of addicts around the country that they can get their life back on track and become respected members of society again just as Ben did, with the help of coach Terry 'Mother Theresa' Wallace and the Mighty Tiges. Saint Ben.


Good will always triumph over evil.

Poetry mate.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Effectively, that is what you and Gunnar argued over, and that is what you and I are now arguing over. You've failed to properly address this point.

I think you both have the same point of view.

When 1980 said Cousins will be better for us than Judd is for them, he was considering the cost to both teams in this statement.



If one person trades away a goldmine for a piece of gold, and another person finds an old piece of gold behind the bushes (that is slightly smaller with age), then it doesn't matter if the first person's piece of gold is slightly bigger.

The guy who found his piece behind the bushes still has a goldmine on top, the other has almost nothing.

 

[JSFish]

I know that. Him and Gunnar argued about that, and 1980 got comprehensively beaten.