Opinion Culture at Collingwood

[ant22]

***MOD EDIT: OP BROUGHT ACROSS FROM TRADE THREAD***

Not sure I have said anywhere that the club can do no wrong.

Sure the club is protecting an asset but maybe they may also care about the individual as well. Possible?

Very much doubt that a club would want to keep a player that is unhappy as this could cause a greater disturbance.

Football has changed, clubs no longer want side issues to deal with. If a player is unhappy he can suck it up or leave, no different to working in any place.

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

 

[SpongePie]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

Fantastic post, thank you.

 

[FuManchu]

Stop changing and avoiding the point of argument. You said Collingwood saved Marley from going to jail. You are wrong.. a judge did. That is the only absolute certainty in this discussion.

For a first offence, he may have avoided jail, but having an expensive silk makes it more likely you will avoid jail. He may have paid his own legal fees but the club would have moved heaven and earth to ensure he got the best available.

 

[Maggie5]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

Hard to disagree with some of what you have posted. My understanding from the dinner I went to that each assistant coach (both VFL and AFL) also have a group of players that regularly meet outside of training. Cox I think mentioned Rocca.

I too have managed a department and there is only so much you can do with some employees and then they really need to leave.

Am not obviously as privy to the internal workings of the club as you seem to be but I most definitely do not give them a pass. But get sick of players that appear to be just a little precious.

The situation with non payment by the welfare manager is appalling. Should have gone straight to Players Association.

The part about young players who feel they don't know Bucks at all is surprising.

 

[unplugged]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

What about the senior captain being in Europe whilst some of the playing list are entrenched in a VFL finals series, some of which in their last games of a long and somewhat decorated career?

Ah well. Maybe that's nothing.

 

[BEEG]

What about the senior captain being in Europe whilst some of the playing list are entrenched in a VFL finals series, some of which in their last games of a long and somewhat decorated career?

Ah well. Maybe that's nothing.

Funny you say that, I was a bit surprised at this.

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't work at Club. So I have no Idea

 

[Apex36]

Workplace culture is a funny thing. Seems like in an attempt to clean up the party/drugs culture at Collingwood, the actual workplace/team culture has taken a significant hit, in that it's not really an enjoyable place to work/play football anymore.

I applaud what Buckley has tried to do, but you could argue that he's done more damage to the clubs culture than good.

 

[Busse]

Hard to disagree with some of what you have posted. My understanding from the dinner I went to that each assistant coach (both VFL and AFL) also have a group of players that regularly meet outside of training. Cox I think mentioned Rocca.

I too have managed a department and there is only so much you can do with some employees and then they really need to leave.

Am not obviously as privy to the internal workings of the club as you seem to be but I most definitely do not give them a pass. But get sick of players that appear to be just a little precious.

The situation with non payment by the welfare manager is appalling. Should have gone straight to Players Association.

The part about young players who feel they don't know Bucks at all is surprising.

I used to work with a guy who was on Carlton's rookie list for a year under Brett Ratten before being delisted, and he told me the only time he ever spoke to Ratten was the end of year meeting when he was told he wasn't retaining a spot on the list. Maybe it is more common than we think, if it is I think it is something that shouldn't happen at any footy club.

 

[mike123]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

Yeah this is the attitude that has made us slide.


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[CFC2010]

Workplace culture is a funny thing. Seems like in an attempt to clean up the party/drugs culture at Collingwood, the actual workplace/team culture has taken a significant hit, in that it's not really an enjoyable place to work/play football anymore.

I applaud what Buckley has tried to do, but you could argue that he's done more damage to the clubs culture than good.

Our CEO also has a lot to answer for in regards to our Culture...........lets not lump it all on Bucks!

 

[cleomenes]

Not sure that mad monday events are worth any analysis. I have no interest in them.

 

[RupetFan]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

Dam straight. The cultures disgusting. Just look at the VFL game, 3-6 players showed up.

 

[ant22]

Hard to disagree with some of what you have posted. My understanding from the dinner I went to that each assistant coach (both VFL and AFL) also have a group of players that regularly meet outside of training. Cox I think mentioned Rocca.

I too have managed a department and there is only so much you can do with some employees and then they really need to leave.

Am not obviously as privy to the internal workings of the club as you seem to be but I most definitely do not give them a pass. But get sick of players that appear to be just a little precious.

The situation with non payment by the welfare manager is appalling. Should have gone straight to Players Association.

The part about young players who feel they don't know Bucks at all is surprising.

 

[ant22]

Not sure that mad monday events are worth any analysis. I have no interest in them.

That's not the point. It could be mad Monday or a movie night to finish the season at someones house to playing tiddlywinks.

When a season ends and a bunch of blokes who are expected to get together for one last time to enjoy each others company before they go there own ways for a couple of months can't show up it tells me they are not feeling apart of something. This leads to a greater risk of players leaving.

When people genuinely feel apart of something they are less likely to leave.

When I have been part of a strong local footy club there is always a good turnout for the last player function of the year. When the club has been weak the turnouts have been crap.

 

[Anzacday]

Our CEO also has a lot to answer for in regards to our Culture...........lets not lump it all on Bucks!

Hey by the way who did leak that story to Robbo at the start of the year?

 

[esc0bar]

What if I told you that there are over 40 players on the list at anyone time and being best friends with each and everyone of them is not only impossible but illogical. A working relationship is all you can expect with each of the line managers (assistant coaches) looking out for individual needs and appeasing individual personalities. No culture is ever going to be totally inclusive and you are always going to have groups that form cliques that socialise together. In the Malthouse era, what may have been unique about it was that we had extrovert personalities such as Shaw, Thomas, Johnson, Wellingham, Swan, Didak, Tarrant etc that seemed to bring about that inclusiveness despite the obvious cliques and bad behaviour. Having said that it took 10 years to build this particular culture, which ultimately collapsed when their enabler was removed and replaced. Buckley is trying to build a culture around professionalism and in my opinion has clearly backfired with the drug tests results being the case in points.

These things are never black and white but it seems that in the laws of nature, suppression leads to rebellion. This is all guess work because like most people (including the OP) we all have no direct exposure to the inner sanctum of the club.

 

[CFC2010]

Hey by the way who did leak that story to Robbo at the start of the year?

It must have been some drug crusader!

 

[Maggie5]

One of the things I would like Allen to change would be to stop the leaks.

A lot of posters seem to have inside knowledge of the club workings and little of it is positive.

Anyone got any good leaks?

 

[Anzacday]

One of the things I would like Allen to change would be to stop the leaks.

A lot of posters seem to have inside knowledge of the club workings and little of it is positive.

Anyone got any good leaks?

Nah, Gubby fixed them all.

 

[CFC2010]

That's not the point. It could be mad Monday or a movie night to finish the season at someones house to playing tiddlywinks.

When a season ends and a bunch of blokes who are expected to get together for one last time to enjoy each others company before they go there own ways for a couple of months can't show up it tells me they are not feeling apart of something. This leads to a greater risk of players leaving.

When people genuinely feel apart of something they are less likely to leave.

When I have been part of a strong local footy club there is always a good turnout for the last player function of the year. When the club has been weak the turnouts have been crap.

The problem is you can't manufacture that comradery........unfortunately from what I have heard that is what is happening at our Club.

Hence the departures and hence why they don't want to be with each other outside the Club.

Not an easy fix this one.

 

[Pdid]

What if I told you that there are over 40 players on the list at anyone time and being best friends with each and everyone of them is not only impossible but illogical. A working relationship is all you can expect with each of the line managers (assistant coaches) looking out for individual needs and appeasing individual personalities. No culture is ever going to be totally inclusive and you are always going to have groups that form cliques that socialise together. In the Malthouse era, what may have been unique about it was that we had extrovert personalities such as Shaw, Thomas, Johnson, Wellingham, Swan, Didak, Tarrant etc that seemed to bring about that inclusiveness despite the obvious cliques and bad behaviour. Having said that it took 10 years to build this particular culture, which ultimately collapsed when their enabler was removed and replaced. Buckley is trying to build a culture around professionalism and in my opinion has clearly backfired with the drug tests results being the case in points.

These things are never black and white but it seems that in the laws of nature, suppression leads to rebellion. This is all guess work because like most people (including the OP) we all have no direct exposure to the inner sanctum of the club.

Drug test results could've (most likely were) been worse 10 yrs ago than this year.. not a case in point at all because you cant compare...like a poster mentioned above... huge turnout to events like mad monday or whatever it may be show a more unified group... guarantee Hawks end of season celebration has a near full turnout of players and maybe even some staff pop in..

If what OP posted has any element of truth that is very disappointing

 

[Pdid]

The problem is you can't manufacture that comradery........unfortunately from what I have heard that is what is happening at our Club.

Hence the departures and hence why they don't want to be with each other outside the Club.

Not an easy fix this one.

You literally cant fix it lol

Fish rots from the head I think - if the senior leaders destroy social divisions by including everyone players will follow. Wish we had bevo or richardson... seem to be pretty good at that

 

[Maggie5]

The problem is you can't manufacture that comradery........unfortunately from what I have heard that is what is happening at our Club.

Hence the departures and hence why they don't want to be with each other outside the Club.

Not an easy fix this one.

Don't know if it is or should be different at sporting clubs but as an employee, I rarely associated with people I worked with.
Outside of work, we had little in common. Didn't feel left out maybe it was the age and maturity.

 

[ant22]

One thing I should note about changing culture is it is not easy. I am not trying to be overly critical of the club rather just sharing some info I have through someone within the club.

There is a real chicken and egg type scenario with culture. As CFC pointed out its pretty hard to manufacture culture. The number 1 thing that improves culture is success. But if there is no success you need to find the balance between being professional enough to improve, seeing a future and being in an environment that you can enjoy or at least tolerate.

From what I could gather the environment was really good pre-season so what happened during the season certainly had not helped the cause and a bit of early success next year could see it turn around quickly again.

But I have not doubt the club can make alot of improvements in all areas but mainly coaching and leadership.