Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - Who will we draft? edition

[Monocle]

Has anyone watched Adam Creepers highlights? Late to Rookie prospect but has a heap of upside after coming on strongly over the last twelve months. Has the right body shape to play on ball and his hands are probably good enough to do as well. He's a smoother mover who probably lacks the hurt factor to dominate on the outside as a third tall and would be touch and go as a pure KPP prospect.

Yeah ER I have watched and he is impressive, he is pretty poised coming out of defence. Creepers would be a very good final pick after we have addressed our midfield issues.

Check out these guys as smokies also;

Will Fordham Sandringham ...poor mans Laverde.
Billy Meyers Western Jets.
Sean McLaren. Another of the Sandringham boys.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Just had a crack a top 15:

#1 STK - Christian Petracca
#2 MELB - Angus Brayshaw
#3 MELB - Paddy McCartin
#4 GWS - Jarrod Pickett
#5 COLL - Lachie Weller
#6 GWS - Peter Wright
#7 GWS - Jake Lever
#8 GCS - Hugh Goddard
#9 COLL - Darcy Moore
#10 GEEL - Jayden Laverde
#11 WCE - Nakia Cockatoo
#12 RICH - Paul Ahern
#13 FREM - Sam Durdin
#14 ADEL - Caleb Marchbank
#15 GCS - Jordan De Goey

This is the way I think it'll go down.
#1 STK - Christian Petracca
#2 MELB - Angus Brayshaw
#3 MELB - Paddy McCartin
#4 GWS - Jarrod Pickett
#5 COLL - Jayden Laverde
#6 GWS - Jake Lever
#7 GWS - Peter Wright
#8 GCS - Hugh Goddard
#9 COLL - Darcy Moore
#10 GEEL - Nakia Cockatoo
#11 WCE - Lachie Weller
#12 RICH - Liam Duggan
#13 FREM - Sam Durdin
#14 ADEL - Tom Lamb (maybe Oscar McDonald)
#15 GCS - Caleb Marchbank

 

[SpaceClef]

Gold Coast would take Weller over Goddard you'd think.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Gold Coast would take Weller over Goddard you'd think.

I think he'll slide a fraction due to his size.
Also, I think Goddard is a better fit for GCS with the list they currently have.

This could all be wishful thing though as I REALLY want us to get him.

 

[JADED]

GCS would be hopeful of getting a decent slider at pick 15.
Weller at 8 but not sure Goddard would get past Adel/Geel etc.. Anything could shape this draft. Pickett staking his claim in the top 5, Cockatoo flying into top 12 calculations, Wright being written right out of the top 6 according to the AFL article..
Bring on the draft....

 

[new breed]

Yes Wright could slip to # 10 or lower , doubt WCE would take him at #11 even if available ........expected to possibly fall to Geelong at # 10 .

Adam Creeper , WA colts and U/18 player is understood to have highly impressed talent scouts .

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I'd definitely take Wright with 11. Reckon he's going to be a jet.

That would be a real dilemma. I see value in both letting him slip and taking him. Take him and we don't need to go shopping for talls for a while but we have not addressed our Achilles Heel. Overall, there is a McKenzie like at round 2 that would make me leave him and go quality mid Nic Nat and Lycett need to get it to someone and Wright is who you pass it to but ... who delivers to Wright.

We would need to take a Pickett, Duggan, Laverde (still hoping) or Cockatoo that would address our pressing needs. A De Goey or like him would not warrant letting Wright slip. IMHO and I am sure there are lots of other opinions.

 

[Bluke]

That would be a real dilemma. I see value in both letting him slip and taking him. Take him and we don't need to go shopping for talls for a while but we have not addressed our Achilles Heel. Overall, there is a McKenzie like at round 2 that would make me leave him and go quality mid Nic Nat and Lycett need to get it to someone and Wright is who you pass it to but ... who delivers to Wright.

We would need to take a Pickett, Duggan, Laverde (still hoping) or Cockatoo that would address our pressing needs. A De Goey or like him would not warrant letting Wright slip. IMHO and I am sure there are lots of other opinions.

If Wright did slide past 10 I suspect all of Weller, Pickett and Laverde to be gone and potentially one of Ahern, Duggan and De Goey as well, or even Cockatoo.

 

[TOA.]

Wright will take a good few years, he will have Vic clubs in his ear from day 1. It just wouldnt be worth it given we are stocked for talls.

Even if he is a gun he wouldnt have an opportunity to show it. Plus our midfield is dismal and needs as many first rounders as it can get.

If he has immense character and we dont see any flight risk then maybe consider it but find that unlikely.

 

[Monocle]

That would be a real dilemma. I see value in both letting him slip and taking him. Take him and we don't need to go shopping for talls for a while but we have not addressed our Achilles Heel. Overall, there is a McKenzie like at round 2 that would make me leave him and go quality mid Nic Nat and Lycett need to get it to someone and Wright is who you pass it to but ... who delivers to Wright.

We would need to take a Pickett, Duggan, Laverde (still hoping) or Cockatoo that would address our pressing needs. A De Goey or like him would not warrant letting Wright slip. IMHO and I am sure there are lots of other opinions.

No Brainer for me Joneb I would not blink before I would call Wright's name out IF he miraculously slipped to 11.

Guys with he size 203cm and 100 kg that have both his speed and endurance only come along ever so often. OH and by the way he is a very good footballer to boot.

I think some aren't aware just how deep this draft goes for quality good value picks in the midfield category.

Around the mark for our second pick is going to be a Touk Miller , Jackson Nelson , Neal-Bullen even an Ellis or a Viojo Rainbow but to name a few.

With more depth of players in the third round also give grounds for optimism .

I can't see why WC can't come away from the draft having addressed most of our needs ....of course how these kids transition from juniors to the next level is ultimately the key question.

I am happy with our delistings and can see that we also have balanced some depth to this years list whilst also putting the fringe players on notice ( by way of 1 year contracts ) that we will be having a similar six to seven player cull at the end of the 2015 season.

 

[SpaceClef]

I think he'll slide a fraction due to his size.
Also, I think Goddard is a better fit for GCS with the list they currently have.

This could all be wishful thing though as I REALLY want us to get him.

Yeah if we lost a couple more matches this thread would have been a fair bit more interesting.

 

[SpaceClef]

Wright will take a good few years, he will have Vic clubs in his ear from day 1. It just wouldnt be worth it given we are stocked for talls.

Even if he is a gun he wouldnt have an opportunity to show it. Plus our midfield is dismal and needs as many first rounders as it can get.

If he has immense character and we dont see any flight risk then maybe consider it but find that unlikely.

The Vic clubs in his ear would be the only risk imo, and considering he's costing 11, there's a good chance we'll get our money back.

Agree with Joneb though that it would have to depend on who is available at this hypothetical pick along with Wright. If it were Pickett, Weller or Laverde then it'd be a harder decision.

But that's not likely given Wright would have slid.

 

[eagles rule]

don`t see any need to get Wright he appears slow as treacle like the older dinosaur ruckman that are getting phased out ..If he had good mobility he wouldn`t be sliding .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Interesting piece about Wright sliding: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-02/drift-from-the-wright?utm_medium=RSS

Don't think "slow as treacle" is fair though, he's said to have good pace and acceleration.

 

[Small Moves]

Hagdorn just said on 6PR that West Coast have been into a player from the Northern Territory for a little while now and have sent staff over to speak with him on a couple of occasions. Said that there will be psyc testing conducted this week. Under the impression that Pickett won't be available at 11.

 

[maxrm]

As procrastination for my uni assignment (it's due tomorrow anyway so what's the rush) I've formulated this list of players I suspect are in contention at each of our selections, in order of preference, with my prediction bolded.

#11: Pickett/Weller/Duggan/Blakely/Cockatoo/Wright/Langford/Durdin/Garlett/Ahern/De Goey
#32: Garlett/Menadue/Neal-Bullen/D.Mckenzie/Viojo-Rainbow/Maynard/Miller/Cavka/McLean/Nelson/Bampton/Cunico/Keitel/C.Smith
#51: McGovern/Cavka/Markov/Nelson/Bampton/McLean/O.McDonald/Langdon/C.Smith/Lonie
#69: Markov/Panos/Abbott/Buykx-Smith/Deluca/Lim/Anderson/Daniel/Creeper/Cripps

What stands out to me the most here is how many good players could be available at our second rounder and even third rounders, with our fourth being used on an outside chance with lots of potential.
And yes, I have probably missed a lot of players but I've tried to cover all the bases as much as possible.

 

[Prem87]

Hagdorn just said on 6PR that West Coast have been into a player from the Northern Territory for a little while now and have sent staff over to speak with him on a couple of occasions. Said that there will be psyc testing conducted this week. Under the impression that Pickett won't be available at 11.

Cockatoo it is!

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

If we draft cockatoo and miller this year + waterman we have done pretty damn well in addressing our midfield needs if you include last years haul .

Yeo - tall big bodied mid ( after another preseason) pace , marking and mongrel
Sheed - classy inside mid with good evasion and nice left foot kick
Karpany - X factor , agility , great burst of pace and able to hit targets by foot from traffic
Waterman - inside extractor with a lovely left foot kick and clean hands
Cockatoo ? - pace , X factor big bodied mid that can play inside and out
Miller ? - small mid but love a contest and tackles hard and often . Great burst of pace and loves to get forward and kick a goal .

Once these guys hit 50-100 games look out !

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The Vic clubs in his ear would be the only risk imo, and considering he's costing 11, there's a good chance we'll get our money back.

Agree with Joneb though that it would have to depend on who is available at this hypothetical pick along with Wright. If it were Pickett, Weller or Laverde then it'd be a harder decision.

But that's not likely given Wright would have slid.

If he slides, then either there is something wrong with him we don't know about or I know even less about recruiting and need to go back to starters for 10.

I believe the assumption of McCartin as a certainty at pick 3 over-values him. He is a full forward who doesn't relieve in the ruck nor does he do much going up field. Wright offers more but possibly not as soon as McCartin. If Melbourne go McCartin, then I suspect we will continue to be talking about their deficiencies as it is a small gap in perceived best available and leaves them short. Not sure how healed Hogan is with his back but the Dees will need to make sure he is not over worked for at leat 2015.

GWS know how good a key forward is in terms of currency. They got Griffin and pick 6 for Boyde. How many games had Boyde played!

Any idea on the quantity of top end KPP in next years draft? That may well shape GWS at 4/6/7.

 

[boondy]

Perhaps. But you can see why everyone gets hard on for him.

Everyone was talking about Abbott going into the 2013 season and he just wasn't in the right place to put a big season together. Has so many of the right attributes and looks a better prospect now than he did in 2012.

If Garlett was available at 69 would you take him over abbot , then would abbot would be available as a rookie ?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

If he slides, then either there is something wrong with him we don't know about or I know even less about recruiting and need to go back to starters for 10.

I believe the assumption of McCartin as a certainty at pick 3 over-values him. He is a full forward who doesn't relieve in the ruck nor does he do much going up field. Wright offers more but possibly not as soon as McCartin. If Melbourne go McCartin, then I suspect we will continue to be talking about their deficiencies as it is a small gap in perceived best available and leaves them short. Not sure how healed Hogan is with his back but the Dees will need to make sure he is not over worked for at leat 2015.

GWS know how good a key forward is in terms of currency. They got Griffin and pick 6 for Boyde. How many games had Boyde played!

Any idea on the quantity of top end KPP in next years draft? That may well shape GWS at 4/6/7.

Boyd

 

[boondy]

yea none pickett isnt coming. he wont be in reach of eagles

I think that the Pickett family would have every right to talk the talk , Jarrod would get positive feedback from 18 clubs he is a definite first rounder , I would be surprised if club drafting agents would tell Pickett what they thought of all the other draft prospects . the drafting agents probably say similar things to a dozen or so draft prospects that are first round picks . The Picketts rightly would feel pleased as punch and happy to tell people at the shops how good things are ... If it was as clear cut it would be back page of the West .

 

[Monocle]

Any idea on the quantity of top end KPP in next years draft? That may well shape GWS at 4/6/7.

Jonenb its way to early to know with the KPP in next years draft.

By the very nature of them needing size it makes any discussion just so speculative as so much growth and gaining co-ordination is yet to be done by these kids. Just take Tommy Barrass as an example he went from 186 at State 16's and then continued to grow right up till the draft where he actually grew to 194 cm and 2 of those cm growth occurred between the combine and being measured in at WC.

Mids on the other hand start to draw comment during and after the State 16's.

The AFL recruiter that I have spoken with all say that no real meaningful assessment and comparison can be done with any KPP group until April /May of their draft year.

 

[boondy]

Pfft. Like I even watched a YouTube video

% 99.99 if you didnt have foxtel or didnt watch the u/18 championships ..

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

If Garlett was available at 69 would you take him over abbot , then would abbot would be available as a rookie ?

69?! Garlett will be taken in the top 25