Do Brisbane need a priority pick?

[Roylion]

Caracella, Travis johnstone, fevola, McGuire, Raines, Staker, Hudson, Moloney, Beams, Bell, West, Christienson, Robinson, Walker.

Oh please. Fourteen players in thirteen years? How is this any different to any other team acquiring mature talent? Sydney have been masters at it. Why don't you mention Stefan Martin as well and make it fourteen players in fourteen years?

- Blake Caracella (replaced Des Headland in 2003) 25 years old. Premiership player 2003
- Travis Johnstone (2007) (27 years old) - traded for Cameron Wood as a replacement for a 31 year old Michael Voss in 2007
- Brendan Fevola (2010) - reigning Coleman Medallist - 28 years old. Seen as a short term replacement for a 32 year old Daniel Bradshaw with shot knees, while the search went on for a young key forward to take over from Jonathan Brown
- Maguire (25) (taken at Pick 91), Staker (25), Hudson (32). Retired to Queensland but was talked out of retirement as short term replacement for Jamie Charman and as back-up for injury prone Matthew Leuenberger.
- Raines (24) - Queenslander. Reducing the go home factor
- Beams (24), Queenslander. Remember the GH5?
- Bell (24), Queenslander. Remember the GH5?
- West (26) recruited for ruck depth. Replacement for Billy Longer. Remember the GH5?
- Christenson (23), Robinson (25), Walker (22) recruited to fill a deficiency in the 23-26 age bracket.

These guys might change your mind.

No they don't. They way you make it sound is that's all Brisbane have been doing since 2003 is recruiting mature aged players. Brisbane have had a very young team for quite a while now and a large deficiency in the 23-26 age bracket which they've tried to address.

Taking senior games away from young kids. When you are rebuilding, taking so many experienced players that play first team, closes opportunities for the kids.

As I said that's rubbish in my view. The problem has been that Lions teams have contained too many kids making them largely uncompetitive against the other top teams. What do you think Voss was trying to address when he recruited a number of players in the 24-26 year old bracket? He was trying to establish a list balance and provide more mature support for the kids as they developed.

Stand by for the Lions to target another 23-26 year old key defender (to replace the retired Justin Clarke) and possibly another key forward in this upcoming trade period.

As they should.

 

[Milux]

Im glad most people in this thread understand the difficulty of our draw.

just... wow



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Its amazing some vic supporters have short memories.

Oh and i am in the "NO" camp to us getting a PP. Just an easier start to the year please.

 

[Milux]

Oh please. Fourteen players in thirteen years? How is this any different to any other team acquiring mature talent? Sydney have been masters at it. Why don't you mention Stefan Martin as well and make it fourteen players in fourteen years?

- Blake Caracella (replaced Des Headland in 2003) 25 years old. Premiership player 2003
- Travis Johnstone (2007) (27 years old) - traded for Cameron Wood as a replacement for a 31 year old Michael Voss in 2007
- Brendan Fevola (2010) - reigning Coleman Medallist - 28 years old. Seen as a short term replacement for a 32 year old Daniel Bradshaw with shot knees, while the search went on for a young key forward to take over from Jonathan Brown
- Maguire (25) (taken at Pick 91), Staker (25), Hudson (32). Retired to Queensland but was talked out of retirement as short term replacement for Jamie Charman and as back-up for injury prone Matthew Leuenberger.
- Raines (24) - Queenslander. Reducing the go home factor
- Beams (24), Queenslander. Remember the GH5?
- Bell (24), Queenslander. Remember the GH5?
- West (26) recruited for ruck depth. Replacement for Billy Longer. Remember the GH5?
- Christenson (23), Robinson (25), Walker (22) recruited to fill a deficiency in the 23-26 age bracket.



No they don't. They way you make it sound is that's all Brisbane have been doing since 2003 is recruiting mature aged players. Brisbane have had a very young team for quite a while now and a large deficiency in the 23-26 age bracket which they've tried to address.



As I said that's rubbish in my view. The problem has been that Lions teams have contained too many kids making them largely uncompetitive against the other top teams. What do you think Voss was trying to address when he recruited a number of players in the 24-26 year old bracket? He was trying to establish a list balance and provide more mature support for the kids as they developed.

Stand by for the Lions to target another 23-26 year old key defender (to replace the retired Justin Clarke) and possibly another key forward in this upcoming trade period.

As they should.

Love your work Roy.

 

[lionshine]

We need help off field more then we need a priority pick. Our facilities are the worst in the league by a huge margin. We spend 1.6million less then the top clubs on the football department resulting in our coaching group as a whole being sub par. The blame is squarely put on Leppa and rightfully so with him being the senior coach but we really do have a below average coaching group as a collective unit.

The only claim we should have for a PP would be the fact that we lost a future 200 gamer KPD to premature retirement due to concussion. Justin Clarke is only 22 and he had already played 50+ games and was our main key defender. That really hurts a young developing side(Imagine if the Blues lost Weitering to early retirement in the next 3 years). I wouldn't complain if we received an end of first round PP to compensate for the loss of Clarke but I don't really like the idea of clubs getting priority picks in the top 5.

And can I just say I laughed soooooo hard at the Pies fan on page 1 saying something along the lines of "No they've got themselves into this mess, they can get themselves out of it. Did Vic clubs get help when they were down? No." Well actually yes they did with the Pies being one of them(A top 6 priority pick). The Hawks, Blues and Demons also got priority picks in the top 6....

 

[HFF]

You don't just make decisions based off two weeks of footy. It has been pretty much 3 seasons of absolutely putrid football, the decision should be made based on a larger scope of time.

If a team like Melbourne, who have been the worst side in the last 10-20yrs, did not receive a priority pick, then nobody else should qualify for one. Look at Melbourne now....

We need help off field more then we need a priority pick. Our facilities are the worst in the league by a huge margin. We spend 1.6million less then the top clubs on the football department resulting in our coaching group as a whole being sub par. The blame is squarely put on Leppa and rightfully so with him being the senior coach but we really do have a below average coaching group as a collective unit.
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I don't understand this logic too much.
Big deal if other teams spend more money on football departments. That does not guarantee success.
Look at Leicester City this season.
A squad amassed for a total of $23m.
That's not even the cost equivalent of one player in the big teams.

I think in this code there is too much sense of entitlement.
Clubs and teams should work within their means.

We have a draft that equalises the competition and a salary cap. That's as far as it should go.
Everything else, is up to the clubs to manufacture.

That's just my opinion.

 

[RUNVS]

Really, what the Lions need is Paul Roos, but he has made it clear he is not interested in another coaching gig after Melbourne.

 

[Freomaniac]

just... wow



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Wait Colin Sylvia was a priority pick in 2003?!!! Lol

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

brisbane have a good midfield but are absolutely gash everywhere else.

 

[Simbatheking21]

Really, what the Lions need is Paul Roos, but he has made it clear he is not interested in another coaching gig after Melbourne.

Money talks. He did say he would never coach again, then went to Melbourne. You never know I guess. I don't believe we need more picks or hand outs, we need a new coach. I've defended him that many times but last night was my final straw

 

[TheZork]

We do not need a PP. We are spending way below both the coaching and player salary cap, off the top of my head its about 80-85%. We need money:
1. To get a decent coaching department
2. To buy new/improve facilities than are decades outdated
3. To be able pay players the full amount so that they actually stay at the club, I'm not even asking for extra salary cap because the fact is, we're using less than 90% of our existing one

Just really selfish by the AFL to bring GC and GWS while we were struggling, the AFL really is just about making money.

 

[blueiris]

Really, what the Lions need is Paul Roos, but he has made it clear he is not interested in another coaching gig after Melbourne.

Can't see the Lions going after Roos we don't have enough money for the flog and as a Lions member I would be hopefully we would never ask him again after totally ######## us over last time we asked him
I would perfer Stuart Dew or Bomber Thompson

 

[RUNVS]

We do not need a PP. We are spending way below both the coaching and player salary cap, off the top of my head its about 80-85%. We need money:
1. To get a decent coaching department
2. To buy new/improve facilities than are decades outdated
3. To be able pay players the full amount so that they actually stay at the club, I'm not even asking for extra salary cap because the fact is, we're using less than 90% of our existing one

Just really selfish by the AFL to bring GC and GWS while we were struggling, the AFL really is just about making money.

Really, the AFL should pay off the Lions debt, and fork out for new facilities for them as well. It will be expensive in the short term but cheap in the long run.

Can't see the Lions going after Roos we don't have enough money for the flog and as a Lions member I would be hopefully we would never ask him again after totally ######## us over last time we asked him
I would perfer Stuart Dew or Bomber Thompson

I think Brett Ratten would be a great fit at the Lions.

 

[bumsonseats]

They already get a priority pick.....its called their academy.
There are only a handful of teams in the comp that can jump the queue to take top talent despite where they finish on the ladder.

 

[Roylion]

They already get a priority pick.....its called their academy.
There are only a handful of teams in the comp that can jump the queue to take top talent despite where they finish on the ladder.

For each academy selection a price is paid. Whether you think that price is fair or not is another issue.

No price is paid for a priority pick. That's a complete freebie.

 

[beatnik]

a priority pick is a waste of time...whomever we select will 'go home' after we pump 50-100 games of development into them...the AFL needs to address the fundamental, underlying issues facing the code in this state or just f*** off and let the Broncos have the whole market back

the Melbourne mafia have undone the hard work of their predecessors (who turned a suburban league into a national competition) by relentlessly eroding the equalisation measures that stop power re-centralising in the traditional Victorian power clubs

the code is absolutely dying (already dead?) up here and most Melbourne muppets continue to refuse to engage with the data showing the AFL's Gold Coast experiment was based on laughable mining boom-inflated population projections

instead, urban myths are generated and recycled as to the cause of our hopelessness on and off the field (e.g. if the Lions didn't trade for Fev then we'd be paying more than 80% of the salary cap and football dept budget; the Gabba would no longer be the most expensive stadium in the country with the worst facilities; players would not be leaving to play for less in non-frontier AFL states etc etc)

I guess this self-salving diet of bullshite will continue until the TV rights deals start to shrink as ratings nosedive up here year...on year...on year...

I can already visualise the pathetic 'save AFL in Queensland' campaign that will be mounted when membership at both clubs dips below 5000 and TV ratings for the two northernmost AFL sides falls behind the lawn bowls...sorry lads, far too little and far too freakin' late!

I was numb watching the Lions getting pummeled last night...it didn't even hurt that it was Collingwood doing the damage...think about that for a second:

IT DID NOT HURT THAT WE WERE 60+ POINTS BEHIND THE PIES BEFORE HALFTIME!!​

if that doesn't drive the message home then nothing can...

call me a dummy-spitting whinger...after following the AFL religiously for 29 years, I can barely bring myself to care about the future of the code...yes...it really is that bad

who are the Broncos playing next week?

#deadcanaries #whatevs #getjammed

 

[RUNVS]

In some ways no AFL fans have suffered more in the last decade than Brisbane fans. Every other club has at least had hope that things were about to turn, to get better, but Brisbane has been in a state of limbo for years, with no hope at all of making the finals. The AFL has ignored Brisbane for too long, and the problem is getting worse and worse.

 

[beatnik]

Really, what the Lions need is Paul Roos, but he has made it clear he is not interested in another coaching gig after Melbourne.

nope, it's much, much bigger than Roosy...he was our Hail Mary three years ago...it's so much worse now

I doubt that Clarkson, Roos, Lyon and the Scott brothers put together could be successful with 80% salary cap, 80% football dept, 80% interstate 'go home' list, a lopsided draw and no games at the G

 

[blueiris]

I think Brett Ratten would be a great fit at the Lions.

I don't think Ratten would be up to the job of continuing the Lions rebuild he would make a good senior assistant to someone like Stuart Dew though

 

[Damon_3388]

How does getting another 18-year-old, who is 5-6 years away from even entering their prime as a footballer, help them right now?

 

[scott_the_man]

How does getting another 18-year-old, who is 5-6 years away from even entering their prime as a footballer, help them right now?

We would most likely trade the pick for an experienced player

 

[Happy_Neale]

If a team like Melbourne, who have been the worst side in the last 10-20yrs, did not receive a priority pick, then nobody else should qualify for one. Look at Melbourne now....

Except for the millions the AFL has poured in to getting the right people at the club plus a multitude of priority picks before the rules were changed, plenty of traded in experienced players/highly rated youngsters plus immeasurable advantages from being based in a football state. If anything it strengthens the argument for AFL intervention at the Lions.

 

[cotter101]

brisbane have a good midfield but are absolutely gash everywhere else.

That's a bloody incorrect call. Midfield has been the main thing letting us down all year. Great on paper with Rockliff, Beams, Zorko, Hanley, Rich, Bastinac, Robinson, Bell, Christensen and Taylor should be right up there with the very best. We can't seem to keep them on the park. It looks great on paper, but for whatever reason just has not clicked.

 

[SchacheLions]

As others (particularly lions supporters) mentioned a priority pick would not help. We NEED new facilities. We NEED a better coaching/development team. We NEED some help from the AFL

 

[Xenthor]

Not to mention that the AFL went out of it's way to revamp Melbourne from the top down and paid Roos a fair bit to coach Melbourne.

Cheers AFL

 

[JeffDunne]

Are Brisbane or it's fans prepared to take any responsibility for their position or is it all the fault of the AFL & Victorian clubs?