Opinion Dogs and Horses - The Racing Thread

[Next Waiting]

Hopefully you weren't

 

[cleveland]

I fancy Royal Patronage today in the plate. Am i crazy?

 

[dogwatch]

I fancy Royal Patronage today in the plate. Am i crazy?

Yes. I think Charles and Camilla are still in Samoa.

 

[Dogs 13]

The Cox is really really hard.
But seriously, it’s like trying to pick your favourite child.
Loyalty says I have to stay with my girl’s big brother, Mr B.
No wait Pride of Jenni, or maybe Prognosis, but Broadsiding could win, or Via Sistina seeing she got a very good look at the Valley on Tuesday.
OR, I have no idea.

 

[Scottish Bob]

You could buy one tonight. You would just have to pick up your membership at the gate tomorrow. Same thing happened to me last year at cox plate.

We ended up getting tickets in the Burton Grandstand, also we have connections to Mr Brightside so got into the owners section for a few beers with their passes.

Reckon yesterday was one of my most depressing days on the punt. I have pretty set limits so I don’t go broke and usually don’t go above $20 a race as I’m absolutely not made of money.

I had 21 bets , 14 bets for win - 2 wins - 11 2nds - 1 no place.

7 place bets - 5 fourths .

It was comically terrible. Yet with a coin toss would have had a health profit. I could have told you Mr B was finishing 4th at the jump as I had $10 each way on it. And of course it was 4th.

J Mac’s ride on Via Sistina might be one of the best I’ve ever seen in a Cox Plate. I didn’t have it in my placings after he got thrown and it did nearly 5km on Thursday. Unreal.

 

[Scottish Bob]

We ended up getting tickets in the Burton Grandstand, also we have connections to Mr Brightside so got into the owners section for a few beers with their passes.

Reckon yesterday was one of my most depressing days on the punt. I have pretty set limits so I don’t go broke and usually don’t go above $20 a race as I’m absolutely not made of money.

I had 21 bets , 14 bets for win - 2 wins - 11 2nds - 1 no place.

7 place bets - 5 fourths .

It was comically terrible. Yet with a coin toss would have had a health profit. I could have told you Mr B was finishing 4th at the jump as I had $10 each way on it. And of course it was 4th.

J Mac’s ride on Via Sistina might be one of the best I’ve ever seen in a Cox Plate. I didn’t have it in my placings after he got thrown and it did nearly 5km on Thursday. Unreal.

Oh and my Quaddie was killed by Via Sistina too, only losing leg. Thought it was done after that bolt, Chris Waller probably planned it all along haha

 

[grassman75]

Amateurs….Via was a moral

Had a great day yesterday….morseo in Syd landing Belclare at $27 and the trifecta

Didn’t put the Quaddie on but picked / backed 3 of the 4 legs and the fav won the first so it woulda could shoulda been in

 

[grassman75]

Mate has a dog going round at Capalalaba in R8. Zooming Zena….no.8

No guarantees but he’s hopeful

 

[Dogs 13]

We ended up getting tickets in the Burton Grandstand, also we have connections to Mr Brightside so got into the owners section for a few beers with their passes.

Reckon yesterday was one of my most depressing days on the punt. I have pretty set limits so I don’t go broke and usually don’t go above $20 a race as I’m absolutely not made of money.

I had 21 bets , 14 bets for win - 2 wins - 11 2nds - 1 no place.

7 place bets - 5 fourths .

It was comically terrible. Yet with a coin toss would have had a health profit. I could have told you Mr B was finishing 4th at the jump as I had $10 each way on it. And of course it was 4th.

J Mac’s ride on Via Sistina might be one of the best I’ve ever seen in a Cox Plate. I didn’t have it in my placings after he got thrown and it did nearly 5km on Thursday. Unreal.

Back them for the win they’ll run 2nd.
Back them for the place they’ll run 4th.
Leave a horse out of a slot in a first 4 chasing a better %, even though you have it in other positions, it’ll finish in the position you don’t want.
If you’re lucky enough to snag the Quaddie it’ll be your worst result (Lady Jones yesterday).
Leave a horse you selected out of a Quaddie chasing a better %, it’ll get up (Morryl Moral on Friday night).
Leave a Maher, Waller, Hayes horse out of your quaddies at your peril.
Your horse being reshod at the barrier before the race, throw your ticket away.
Remember AFTER the race that greys love the wet.
Terry Bailey will call the wrong name is a given.
These are unwritten laws, with more to come I’m guessing

 

[grassman75]

Back them for the win they’ll run 2nd.
Back them for the place they’ll run 4th.
Leave a horse out of a slot in a first 4 chasing a better %, even though you have it in other positions, it’ll finish in the position you don’t want.
If you’re lucky enough to snag the Quaddie it’ll be your worst result (Lady Jones yesterday).
Leave a horse you selected out of a Quaddie chasing a better %, it’ll get up (Morryl Moral on Friday night).
Leave a Maher, Waller, Hayes horse out of your quaddies at your peril.
Your horse being reshod at the barrier before the race, throw your ticket away.
Remember AFTER the race that greys love the wet.
Terry Bailey will call the wrong name is a given.
These are unwritten laws, with more to come I’m guessing

I had Morryl Moral…and 4 in the next leg….just not the winner.

Happens all the time

How many times I’ve run 1,2,4 or 2,3,4….missed the First 4 on the Cup a few years ago because the Chosen One lipped out my selection on the line for 4th

Don’t forget the age old “don’t back any horse photographed with a model on the front page of the paper” - it’s a curse

Jenni suffered that fate yesterday

 

[Dogs 13]

I had Morryl Moral…and 4 in the next leg….just not the winner.

Happens all the time

How many times I’ve run 1,2,4 or 2,3,4….missed the First 4 on the Cup a few years ago because the Chosen One lipped out my selection on the line for 4th

Don’t forget the age old “don’t back any horse photographed with a model on the front page of the paper” - it’s a curse

Jenni suffered that fate yesterday

It will also be unders because the once a year punters saw it in the paper.
I think Maher (or more likely Ottobre) might have been Jenni’s problem, they asked too much of her.
Same as footballers having “the article” written about them, they’re sure to have a mare.

 

[grassman75]

I’m pretty happy with my pre post Maher bets….Okito Soushi has already paid me back in spades and I’m on in the Cup at 80/1….even if she doesn’t get there, I’ve already recouped on her.

Ironically the horse I had in the cup that got rolled was a Maher horse

 

[Dogs 13]

I’m pretty happy with my pre post Maher bets….Okito Soushi has already paid me back in spades and I’m on in the Cup at 80/1….even if she doesn’t get there, I’ve already recouped on her.

Ironically the horse I had in the cup that got rolled was a Maher horse

Leave them out at your peril

 

[SPower]

Love all the stories + and - results $ too.

 

[Next Waiting]

The one that upset me was in the last. Had backed Lady Jones its last start and might even have spruiked it here. Jumped off yesterday ... it won of course ... at 14s ...

 

[Next Waiting]

It will also be unders because the once a year punters saw it in the paper.
I think Maher (or more likely Ottobre) might have been Jenni’s problem, they asked too much of her.
Same as footballers having “the article” written about them, they’re sure to have a mare.

Maher gets a pass from me on this one. Tried all he could to run her Caufield and not go to Sydney but the owner said no I want to have my cake and to eat it too. I wanted her to win yesterday against all odds and if the owner had a clue he'd realise he set her up to fail and maybe should have listened to the trainer. Maybe he realises that today. Too late for the horse though. The jockey did what he could to look after her but she's done for this prep and maybe longer.

Remember Shamrocker. Won the Australian guineas then went up to Sydney and ran 3rd in the Rosehill Guineas and then won the AJC Derby. Unquestionably the best 3yr old of its year .... a filly winning the Guineas and then Derby. So what did they do ... they backed it up over 2400 again in the AJC Oaks one week later on a Heavy 10 and it ran a gut busting and gallant 2nd to a mudlark. It never won another race. It shouldn't have run in that race! It didn't need to run .. it'd just won the Derby ffs. They farked it. The Jenni to Sydney and back again ranks right up there with that greedy brain dead decision imo.

 

[Bloomfield]

Maher gets a pass from me on this one. Tried all he could to run her Caufield and not go to Sydney but the owner said no I want to have my cake and to eat it too. I wanted her to win yesterday against all odds and if the owner had a clue he'd realise he set her up to fail and maybe should have listened to the trainer. Maybe he realises that today. Too late for the horse though. The jockey did what he could to look after her but she's done for this prep and maybe longer.

Remember Shamrocker. Won the Australian guineas then went up to Sydney and ran 2nd in the Rosehill Guineas and then won the AJC Derby. Unquestionably the best 3yr old of its year .... a filly winning the guineas and then Derby. So what did they do ... they backed it up in the AJC Oaks a week later on a Heavy 10 and it ran a gut busting and gallant 2nd to a mudlark. It never won another race. It shouldn't have run in that race! It didn't need to run .. it'd just won the Derby ffs. They farked it. The Jenni to Sydney and back again ranks right up there with that greedy brain dead decision imo.

Unfortunately, it’s another case of an owner overstepping the boundaries. The Cox Plate was Pride of Jenni’s Grand Final, so to take it to Sydney a week before was insanity. Maher knew it, Ottobre( owner) couldn’t be told. As a greyhound trainer for nearly 50 yrs, there is nothing worse than having an owner making the decisions on where to race. It always ends in a dissolution of the relationship.
As the great Bart Cummings once replied to a potential new owner to the cost of training a horse,
he said “ $100 a day for me to train it, but $200 a day if you want to help”
But in all fairness, nothing would have beaten Via Sistina yesterday.

 

[King Harold]

Maher gets a pass from me on this one. Tried all he could to run her Caufield and not go to Sydney but the owner said no I want to have my cake and to eat it too. I wanted her to win yesterday against all odds and if the owner had a clue he'd realise he set her up to fail and maybe should have listened to the trainer. Maybe he realises that today. Too late for the horse though. The jockey did what he could to look after her but she's done for this prep and maybe longer.

Remember Shamrocker. Won the Australian guineas then went up to Sydney and ran 2nd in the Rosehill Guineas and then won the AJC Derby. Unquestionably the best 3yr old of its year .... a filly winning the guineas and then Derby. So what did they do ... they backed it up in the AJC Oaks a week later on a Heavy 10 and it ran a gut busting and gallant 2nd to a mudlark. It never won another race. It shouldn't have run in that race! It didn't need to run .. it'd just won the Derby ffs. They farked it. The Jenni to Sydney and back again ranks right up there with that greedy brain dead decision imo.

As my trainer says , they are not machines.
Staggering they had no plan B with her for this race, I assumed they would not let het her get a soft lead.

 

[Next Waiting]

As my trainer says , they are not machines.
Staggering they had no plan B with her for this race, I assumed they would not let het her get a soft lead.

Probably the plan b should have been to bypass the cox plate, let her recover and save her for the champions mile if they really wanted to run in the King Charles. Bottom line is the horse couldn't do both but that's what was asked of her.

It's a very disappointing decision because they didn't have the horses best interests at the forefront of their thinking and the horse deserves a lot better. She would have to be Phar Lap to pull that off against that quality of opposition.

Via Sistena was so dominant that even if Jenni had been given the prep the trainer wanted to give her (a run at caufield 2 weeks ago and no travel) she almost certainly would have run second at best anyway. But she'd live to fight another day and a likely contender for the Champions Mile.

Very disappointing.

 

[Next Waiting]

Unfortunately, it’s another case of an owner overstepping the boundaries. The Cox Plate was Pride of Jenni’s Grand Final, so to take it to Sydney a week before was insanity. Maher knew it, Ottobre( owner) couldn’t be told. As a greyhound trainer for nearly 50 yrs, there is nothing worse than having an owner making the decisions on where to race. It always ends in a dissolution of the relationship.
As the great Bart Cummings once replied to a potential new owner to the cost of training a horse,
he said “ $100 a day for me to train it, but $200 a day if you want to help”
But in all fairness, nothing would have beaten Via Sistina yesterday.

One of my favourite Bart quotes

 

[Next Waiting]

Unfortunately, it’s another case of an owner overstepping the boundaries. The Cox Plate was Pride of Jenni’s Grand Final, so to take it to Sydney a week before was insanity. Maher knew it, Ottobre( owner) couldn’t be told. As a greyhound trainer for nearly 50 yrs, there is nothing worse than having an owner making the decisions on where to race. It always ends in a dissolution of the relationship.
As the great Bart Cummings once replied to a potential new owner to the cost of training a horse,
he said “ $100 a day for me to train it, but $200 a day if you want to help”
But in all fairness, nothing would have beaten Via Sistina yesterday.

I think it's reasonable for a trainer and owner of a good horse to sit down at the beginning of a prep and work out targets or a target. The owner may want a derby runner and the horse has indicated ability so it's reasonable to say let's target that race. Get him/her as good as you can on that day ... but how you do it is up to you ... I'll stay out of it. But you agree at the start of the prep.

As owner you take your chances. You give the trainer and the horse the best chance of being competitive on that day. There are never any guarantees ... that's the game.

But Jenni's owner said I want to win the Cox Plate and then pulled the rug out from under the horse and trainer by insisting they go the George Main. He must have been the only person in Australia who couldn't see you couldn't do both.

 

[bobs head soup]

Going to have 1 bet today. It's at Benalla and part owned by Bulldog James Harmes

22

James Harmes

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.2

2star

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Race 7 #3 Rubology - seems quite progressive (2 wins from 6), won well last start and was dominant when stepping up to 1400 last campaign (as it is here).

Sticky draw, but should settle midfield and trusting jock can find a back one off the fence

Each way at $5 seems an ok price.

 

[Next Waiting]

Going to have 1 bet today. It's at Benalla and part owned by Bulldog James Harmes.

Race 7 #3 Rubology - seems quite progressive (2 wins from 6), won well last start and was dominant when stepping up to 1400 last campaign (as it is here).

Sticky draw, but should settle midfield and trusting jock can find a back one off the fence

Each way at $5 seems an ok price.

I've got that one in my multi.

One I found that appeals (to me) is in Race 2. Spirit of Jo. Watched its only start back on a soft track and it was hampered for a run. Never really got a look back on the inside. Not a taxing run and then they tipped it straight out after the race. That was back in June. I like it when they tip them out the race before they should and not the one after.

Has won a trial on resumption.

 

[Next Waiting]

There's a very good Te Akau filly running at Te rapa today. Captured by love. Unbackable at $1.65. It can miss the start and did so last start by 5 lenghts and then went within a neck of winning. Getting an education and likely to take on the boys in the 2000 Guineas.

I'll eat my hat if it doesn't turn up here for the Australian Guineas in March.

 

[Next Waiting]

Force of nature was a pretty good win in the the third at te rapa. Blocked for a run, came across heels and picked up enough to win by a nose. A forsman horse so if they think enough of it it will turn here. A lightly raced savabeel gelding. The Savabeel fillies and mares have outperformed the colts and geldings by a considerable margin but he showed a bit there I thought in adverse circumstances.