Autopsy Dogs beat Cats - Rd 15, 2018

[Chinacats]

Ok, I've slept, rather well after wine and a few more ciders.

Guthrie was superb. Loved his run and carry and just wanted to break the lines. Previously he'd been caught quite a bit doing this, where he was caught holding the ball a bit, but last night looked fresh and just found space.

Blitz was again ok, drifted across packs and seemingly took defensive marks at ease. Really good positioning. Kicking let him down a bit, but he wasn't the worst.

Hawkins played a good game, did what he needed to do and did it well. Led up, but often had the ball kicked on his head with 2-3 defenders jumping over him to spoil.

Things I didn't like:
The match committee. Are we going to be serious or not? We can't have 4-5 blokes with 6-8 disposals. Especially with 2-3 of those disposals being ineffective. Just no where near good enough. I understand about the context
of player's motivations etc. but seriously 2-3 players need to go back to the VFL for the rest of the year as they are not the footballers we need for a finals push.

We are simply making up the numbers. I'd prefer to not make the finals, so Scott is given an ultimatum by the club to improve or you are sacked. Either Scott's staff under him are ineffective in getting players to the level of play
required for AFL or his decisions at the match committee are surrounded by a resounding yes and no one has the ability to challenge his thoughts.

Ablett is not a midfielder. He has no ability to run the other way; he is painfully slow. We were torn apart by a quick midfield, mainly in part as we have a midfield, including the flanks and the wings, as slow as treacle. Duncan and
Menegola do not help here, both are so slow and unable to chase. The midfield group at the bounces are one-way runners, which doesn't give us any chance once the ball falls to the ground.

I'd like to see the % of hit out to advantage before I comment further on Stanley. Given he was up against a smaller and less gifted ruck opponent; I'm surprised we lost a fair few centre clearances when it mattered.

Harry Taylor forward is not an option. His goal kicking is highly questionable, moving him forward is a poor choice, which probably highlights my first point on things I don't like. We are too heavy, with Taylor, Kolo, Hendo, Blitz etc.
We simply cannot play them all, but it appears as though the match committee cannot either get that balance right or just cannot make the hard decision.

cant make the hard decision!

 

[mcwilrob]

Just once.....just once I’d like to see Scott breathe some fire in a presser, if for nothing else than to give the impression he’s got some passion and a loss like that hurts.
Instead we get cliches delivered in a monotone voice.

Ju

Credit where credit is due, I haven't seen the Dogs play like that since their premiership year. They've recruited a couple of great young players into that side.

I knew it was 50/50 Harry would kick that after the siren goal, but we shanked two others prior to that so you can't blame him for the loss. A lot of spectating the ball in that game from our blokes, which is something I often see when we're being beaten like that. It seems when the hard ball get is truly hard our lads can be a bit hesitant.

Tim Kelly had a good last quarter, but I still think he needs to go back to the VFL for a few weeks and work on winning the ball, not just running past it. Kinda reminds of Travis Varcoe at his worst. Gary had a bit of a Barry Crocker tonight too, he got the ball a lot but his disposal wasn't very good.

Cam Guthrie back is a good thing. His run off HB was terrific.

I do think talent-wise we have a team that could win the flag (all things considered), but I just don't know if the attitude is right. There's a few (led by Paddy & Joel) who you know will always give it their all. But there's too many that back off a bit when the going gets too tough. We saw it again tonight. Maybe it's a lack of confidence in their ability to compete at that level. Who knows.

Quinton Narkle looks like he could be a good player. Did some good plays, had a few soft moments. Pretty typical for a first gamer. The loss is not his fault.

We really needed to win this one given our draw.

Oh, well. They can only blame themselves.

The Bulldogs were very good tonight.

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Agree but!...the Doggies looked better than they deserved because we lacked real intensity and they were allowed to play their game with little resistance from us...

 

[Americanpies]

Hey guys, I came in here just to ask a question. Was it legal within the rules for the Dogs to have half their team on the mark? I've never seen anything like that before. I thought that was a bit unfair on Harry to have 15 guys in front of him jumping around. Unless he got too close to the mark? It seemed like that surely put him off.

 

[mcwilrob]

You can literally see the panic on his face. He’s terrible

Yep - I questioned the amount of love he was getting from a few on on here recently.

 

[Chinacats]

I think Chris Scott needs to be looked at. I have never questioned his position, but in the next 8 weeks he needs to be looked at. He came in and our double premiership players had a sense of fear from the name Chris Scott from his playing days. He doesn't have that fear factor anymore. He appears on 360 and tries to be intelligent about the game, but he is losing respect now with these consistent failures to lower teams and games after the bye. The locker room culture when playing weaker teams is a big problem. This team has no reason to be arrogant- they haven't accomplished anything. Scott continually plays under performing players like Parsons. Need next 3 wins to make up for last night.

 

[Chinacats]

Hey guys, I came in here just to ask a question. Was it legal within the rules for the Dogs to have half their team on the mark? I've never seen anything like that before. I thought that was a bit unfair on Harry to have 15 guys in front of him jumping around. Unless he got too close to the mark? It seemed like that surely put him off.

All legal if behind the mark. He just butchered it like a good defender would.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Ju
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Agree but!...the Doggies looked better than they deserved because we lacked real intensity and they were allowed to play their game with little resistance from us...

I don't disagree, and I think if you read my review I pretty much say that too.

 

[Baby Duck]

Henderson kicked over 100 goals at Carlton.

And when he came here he was ecstatic because he was told by the coaches that he would be played in defence, where he feels most comfortable.

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[mcwilrob]

Any chance Guthrie could lay a tackle or spoil a mark
Parsons nowhere near it
Kolo has made too many errors to not have some time off
Murdoch was too selfish although he did put in
Menzel, Cockatoo, Henderson Selwood in for those four next week if the MC is serious. The 8 in danger if we are not serious

If we are not serious then better to miss the 8 IMHO. Just sayin'

 

[bigfarter]

Hey guys, I came in here just to ask a question. Was it legal within the rules for the Dogs to have half their team on the mark? I've never seen anything like that before. I thought that was a bit unfair on Harry to have 15 guys in front of him jumping around. Unless he got too close to the mark? It seemed like that surely put him off.

I may be misremembering but I thought that was pretty common practice for this scenario? Not sure if any of them were standing level with or in front of the man on the mark - that would be illegal - but I feel like whenever it's an after the siren shot most of the opposition lines up behind the man on the mark to try and distract.

 

[James1970]

Hey guys, I came in here just to ask a question. Was it legal within the rules for the Dogs to have half their team on the mark? I've never seen anything like that before. I thought that was a bit unfair on Harry to have 15 guys in front of him jumping around. Unless he got too close to the mark? It seemed like that surely put him off.

It's legal to have as many players you like behind the player on the mark, but closer vision from last night saw a couple of Dogs players cross over the mark as Taylor ran in to kick. Technically - 50 meter penalty and a Geelong win.

 

[ADA23]

I’d love to see this team on the park. Won’t happen but I can dream.

Parsons Fogarty Kolo Bews Murdoch Cunico out

Stanley gets ruck help, Guthrie can pick up a small fwd if needed, Ablett closer to goal

Stewart. Harry. Henry
Tuohey blitz. Hendo
Duncan. Danger. Guthrie
Menegola. Hawkins. Narkle
Mc Carthy. Menzel. Ablett

Stanley. Selwood. Selwood

Parfitt Kelly cocky Abbott

 

[Seeds]

Hey guys, I came in here just to ask a question. Was it legal within the rules for the Dogs to have half their team on the mark? I've never seen anything like that before. I thought that was a bit unfair on Harry to have 15 guys in front of him jumping around. Unless he got too close to the mark? It seemed like that surely put him off.

only allowed to have one on the mark. rules clearly state it. but no one will take away from the good news dogs story.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

I think Chris Scott needs to be looked at. I have never questioned his position, but in the next 8 weeks he needs to be looked at. He came in and our double premiership players had a sense of fear from the name Chris Scott from his playing days. He doesn't have that fear factor anymore. He appears on 360 and tries to be intelligent about the game, but he is losing respect now with these consistent failures to lower teams and games after the bye. The locker room culture when playing weaker teams is a big problem. This team has no reason to be arrogant- they haven't accomplished anything. Scott continually plays under performing players like Parsons. Need next 3 wins to make up for last night.

He never had a fear factor about him ......he was a faux hard man who relied on the back up from monsters like Leppitsch Johnson Michael, and Pike to throw their weight around.
The end of 2019 cant come soon enough for me.

 

[Americanpies]

I may be misremembering but thought that was pretty common practice for this scenario? Not sure if any of them were standing level with or in front of the man on the mark - that would be illegal - but I feel like whenever it's an after the siren shot most of the opposition lines up behind the man on the mark to try and distract.

I was just watching the replay of it and I counted 12 Dogs on the mark, but they look like they are all just behind the actual guy that is on the mark. I think it's BT's commentary that put ideas in my head. Because he says "how can they have so many on the mark", made me wonder if there was some kind of infringement there. I think the most I have seen is about 4 or 5 guys on the mark in that situation, but not 12.

Harry's kick is really strange too. If you watch it, his run up is heading straight towards that outside point post and that is where the ball goes in a straight line. If he ran up directly towards the actual goals, it would have been a goal. It's almost like he was aiming for the point post and that is where he ball ended up, Bizarre kicking.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

I was just watching the replay of it and I counted 12 Dogs on the mark, but they look like they are all just behind the actual guy that is on the mark. I think it's BT's commentary that put ideas in my head. Because he says "how can they have so many on the mark", made me wonder if there was some kind of infringement there. I think the most I have seen is about 4 or 5 guys on the mark in that situation, but not 12.

Harry's kick is really strange too. If you watch it, his run up is heading straight towards that outside point post and that is where the ball goes in a straight line. If he ran up directly towards the actual goals, it would have been a goal. It's almost like he was aiming for the point post and that is where he ball ended up, Bizarre kicking.

Harry. Choked. Plain and simple.......but the blame doesn’t lay there. We should never have been in that situation in the first place. Danger missed a set shot, Ablett overused the ball when we could have gone coast to coast and Murdoch was selfish on another.

 

[peerless]

I was just watching the replay of it and I counted 12 Dogs on the mark, but they look like they are all just behind the actual guy that is on the mark. I think it's BT's commentary that put ideas in my head. Because he says "how can they have so many on the mark", made me wonder if there was some kind of infringement there. I think the most I have seen is about 4 or 5 guys on the mark in that situation, but not 12.

Harry's kick is really strange too. If you watch it, his run up is heading straight towards that outside point post and that is where the ball goes in a straight line. If he ran up directly towards the actual goals, it would have been a goal. It's almost like he was aiming for the point post and that is where he ball ended up, Bizarre kicking.

Harry is a real 'steerer' he never boots the hell out of the ball.

 

[maryjames]

Watching harry Taylor’s shot on goal he was lining up to put it exactly where the ball went. Muppet

 

[mcwilrob]

It's not Parsons' fault. He isn't the one selecting himself.

Him getting picked plus the number of games Zuthrie gets are a real concern in terms of who is actually steering the ship, though.

(Shhh.... there are some on here convinced that Scotty is a "great coach"...)

 

[mcwilrob]

Gotta be the most ridiculous analysis thus far. Yeah we unearthed some good players .....we will be better in a few years blah blah blah. Said that a few years ago with Guthrie, Murdoch, Motlop, Bundy etc.... and?

Yep - and Doggies "out of there skin" because we were witches hats too much of the time ffs!!!

 

[Hawk Hawkins]

Geez guys. I love you guys losing more than most people, but if that last kick was 2m to the right you’d be talking about Scott being the greatest coach in the universe. You’ve got an experienced list that will (unfortunately) keep you in good stead come finals. Dogs looked good, you guys (unfortunately) looked good too. Was a great game and that result will (unfortunately) give some motivation I’m sure.

 

[Americanpies]

Harry. Choked. Plain and simple.......but the blame doesn’t lay there. We should never have been in that situation in the first place. Danger missed a set shot, Ablett overused the ball when we could have gone coast to coast and Murdoch was selfish on another.

Yeah, the Murdoch one was a shocker. Parfitt and Hawkins both free and he goes for tough angled shot. Couldn't believe that one.

 

[mcwilrob]

Would you be saying all this if harry kicked the goal?

I would actually - even we had "stolen" the 4 pts courtesy of Harry doing better, it would have been a hollow victory and papered over the obvious cracks for all to see...

 

[bigfarter]

bobby and blighty were right all along.

I think their man issue was the way and consistency with which they posted their (now seemingly fair) concerns. They seemed to only pop up when we were losing and revel in that fact, which naturally raised the ire of supporters who were hurting in the moment and actually wanted the team to win, whereas it seemed those two wanted us to lose at any cost, as it would eventually mean Scott would be sacked.

I've always supported Scott. He's clearly a good coach but I think we are now at a point where he needs to be assessed. From 2012 on it seems like we've had the same season over-and-over. That may have been excusable while we were transitioning champions out of the side and bringing in new guys but to have the same issues rearing their head still is very concerning. It's not fair to expect a Premiership every year but with our list and some of the players we've had/have in their prime, we should have at least made another GF or two since 2011. 2013 was obviously the major miss, where we let ourselves down against Freo. 14 was bad, as was last year. We have the cattle and the coaching to get us into position for a Premiership tilt constantly but there are issues regarding gameplan and mental application that see us fail in the same ways every year. It's Groundhog Day.

I was fuming last night, not just because of the loss but because I predicted the loss with ease heading into the game. Dogs supporters at work thought I was being condescending or silly when I told them they'd win. It's just all too predictable. There needs to be a review and serious questions asked because this period is destined to go down with the 89-95 period as a monumental wasted opportunity if we don't nab a flag with Selwood, Dangerfield, Hawkins, Duncan, etc. all in their primes or still performing close enough to it. There's only so long we can keep topping up and remaining competitive before the bottom finally drops out.

 

[peerless]

I think Chris Scott needs to be looked at. I have never questioned his position, but in the next 8 weeks he needs to be looked at. He came in and our double premiership players had a sense of fear from the name Chris Scott from his playing days. He doesn't have that fear factor anymore. He appears on 360 and tries to be intelligent about the game, but he is losing respect now with these consistent failures to lower teams and games after the bye. The locker room culture when playing weaker teams is a big problem. This team has no reason to be arrogant- they haven't accomplished anything. Scott continually plays under performing players like Parsons. Need next 3 wins to make up for last night.

Brilliant assessment.