Autopsy Dogs beaten by Port 107-85

[lachy]

Will post the full usual stats breakdown in an hour or so but here are some shocking things right off the bat...

Naughton was only targeted 4 times.

Of the 16 forward 50 entry kicks that we didn't target anyone we scored 0 times (0%), Port had 15 for 6 scores (40%).

Inside 50 Retention
WB: 45%
PA: 61%

Matchup Goals Against
5 - Bruce
2 - Keath, L. Jones
1 - Bontempelli, Duryea, Liberatore, O’Donnell, Vandermeer, Williams

Turnovers Punished By Goals
1 - Bontempelli, English, A. Jones*, Liberatore, Lobb, O’Donnell, B. Smith, Ugle-Hagen, Weightman

*A. Jones’ turnover was a free kick.

Unforced Turnovers
WB: 14
PA: 9

Unforced Turnovers By Player
4 - Dale
2 - Keath, West
1 - Bruce, Lobb, O’Donnell, Naughton, Treloar, Ugle-Hagen,

Gee Dale has been poor with turnovers for a while now

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[Nat Fyfe]

Will post the full usual stats breakdown in an hour or so but here are some shocking things right off the bat...

Naughton was only targeted 4 times.

Of the 16 forward 50 entry kicks that we didn't target anyone we scored 0 times (0%), Port had 15 for 6 scores (40%).

Inside 50 Retention
WB: 45%
PA: 61%

Matchup Goals Against
5 - Bruce
2 - Keath, L. Jones
1 - Bontempelli, Duryea, Liberatore, O’Donnell, Vandermeer, Williams

Turnovers Punished By Goals
1 - Bontempelli, English, A. Jones*, Liberatore, Lobb, O’Donnell, B. Smith, Ugle-Hagen, Weightman

*A. Jones’ turnover was a free kick.

Unforced Turnovers
WB: 14
PA: 9

Unforced Turnovers By Player
4 - Dale
2 - Keath, West
1 - Bruce, Lobb, O’Donnell, Naughton, Treloar, Ugle-Hagen,

Is that effort from Bruce the worst individual result since Williams gave up 6 last year? Although I think Williams was turnovers punished by goal which was considerably worse

 

[geoffjennings79]

Bruce didnt look fantastic up forward last year either. In fact he was horrendous and then dropped for finals.

Key defenders are easy to find. Liam Jones was a freebie and he's in AA Contention.

He was coming back off a knee reco! Plus he at least tries to block for other forwards rather than flying against them.
Bruce, for all his limitations, is a team-focussed forward. He can make space for himself, lead his man away to create space for others, or knows when to do the bullocking work to free up a team-mate. No coincidence Naughton did well when they played in tandem pre-Bruce's ACL. None of our current tall forwards have the faintest idea or inclination to work FOR each other.
Not sure if that's Spangher, Beveridge, inexperience, greed or some/all of the above.

 

[lachy]

Most of the Ports Coast to coast goals came out of general play in our forward half. This is where small forwards are expected to earn their keep. They are there to apply defensive pressure and to gather the ground ball and you know...get more than 0 disposals. One would think that with more than 50 forward entries would could expect a little more than that

The fact is that he averages 3.8 kicks, 4.5 handballs, lays 2.9 tackles and kicks 0.4 goals a game and is a emblematic of what is wrong with this side. Especially the dysfunctional forward half.

Nobody expects Jones to gather 20 possessions and kick 5 goals. However, 0 is just unacceptable at this level.

He should've been dropped weeks ago. He is getting games because there is literally nothing to replace hime with.

Yep time for some VFL for Arty.

Maybe a bit of half back for some good possession games

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[dogwatch]

Tonight's crowd of 23,110 was the largest-ever crowd between these two clubs at Docklands...

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Thanks, that gives it some good context.

I would still have expected more to attend seeing Port are one of the two hot teams in the AFL right now and would be odds-on to be in the GF in September. Also we have been competitive and won or been in a winning position late in every game since Rd 3. A lot of neutrals could have been expected as well as WB fans. Was it cold & wet in Melbourne tonight?

 

[Marbyriver]

Our forward line continues to be a mess. Feel sorry for Jamarra and Naughton as delivery inside 50 is atrocious. Then again, is it at the coaches direction to have all of them flying for the same mark?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Think people are being overly harsh on English.

Had a shocker tonight no doubt, but been just about our best player so far this year.

I think it's the method more than the outcome. He only started jumping late after Lycett tired, Lycett has him psyched out. English struggles dealing with physical ruckmen. Needs a ruck coach. Is Stef Martin still around?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Although we won the clearances by a pretty substantial margin, they looked to have the more beneficial clearances. So often they would have a player leave the front of the stoppage early (often Butters or Rozee) and they would get away with speed and give their forwards good opportunities. Didn’t seem like we had as many where we got out the front of the stoppage

 

[Afro_dog]

The tale of the game tonight was a forward line that couldn't retain the ball inside forward 50 for all but the first 15 minutes of the last. This resulted in Port kicking 8 goals directly from turning the ball over in our forward half. The get nothing at all from our small forwards defensively. The time has definitely come for the Arthur Jones experiment to put aside. We just cannot carry a player who doesn't get a single possession for the entire game. Enthusiasm can only carry you so far and it's carried Arthur as far as it going to until he can find the ball. Something he hasn't shown he can do at this level just yet. It speaks volumes about the state of our small forwards that he's was still in the side. Much the same can be said about West and Weightman, they just cannot apply any forward pressure and retain the ball. It was flying out of their way too quickly and Port were off to the races.

What can be said about our diabolical transition out of defence? If it wasn't the usually reliable Dale turning it over coming out of defence. It was JO'D who I at least give a modicum of credit for trying to come back inside and put the ball into a position where we could attack through the middle of the ground. Most of his more seasoned teammates went with the incredibly predictable of Kick ball from full back to 35 out. Wait for Dale to come around the back and receive the ball. Dale kicks the ball to the wing (or turn it over as he did numerous times tonight) Scrap for for the ball all the while continuing to go wider and wider. Kick the ball to 50 in the tape that we get a contested mark. If we do it's usually wide and at a difficult angle. If we dont we kick it to a congested area 35 out where eall sorts of defensive shenanigans stopping our forwards getting a clean run at it occur.

The way we play stands in stark contrast to that of Port. However they are far better equiped to play this type of attacking game the we are. It's why we play such a crab like game. Knowing full well that we are one turnover from our opponents being off to the races. and into sa coring position.

Until the last few weeks, we'd done a good job of papering over the cracks in our much vaunted midfield. The one of pace and the ability to carry the ball. They are a fantastic group in close and fighting for the ball. However, it's a team that gets badly exposed when the ball is out wide and in space. Teams with pace like Port know they have us covered for speed and that they can freewheel and run forward of the ball. Safe in the knowledge that they will burn off their opponent andNope. We're just not that good. run into open space.

We are what we are. A team with depth as shallow as a piss in the gutter and a team that should be ranked from 8th -10th on the ladder come the end of the season.

Oh, one more thing. The umpires can get ****ed.

Jones and West had 5 tackles in forward 50 between them. They both applied good fwd pressure, just a shame they only played 2/3rds of the game.

 

[Oliver G]

Is that effort from Bruce the worst individual result since Williams gave up 6 last year? Although I think Williams was turnovers punished by goal which was considerably worse

Yeah Williams' 6 last year in R1 is the worst on record but you are correct in that was turnovers punished by goals. Match up goals against are strictly just who was on the player who kicked the goal at the previous stoppage. It can be deceiving depending on how teams play. With us conceding so many forward half turnovers you can hardly blame the defenders sometimes.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

I don't begrudge anyone not going to games these days. Especially in regional cities. Too expensive and takes too long to get there. For what is a decent chance to just make you sad anyway.
I certainly don't regret my decision to stay home. Now I just get to be sad in a comfortable place instead of on a train for an hour then driving another half an hour to get home.

Yeah, I feel the same at the moment.

It's 11.50pm as I write this. I'd still be an hour from home if I'd gone tonight.

I'd be out of my mind driving home after that!

 

[dergert]

My biggest worry is Naughton.

He was letting blokes run past him. That's not the astro we know.

 

[Oliver G]

Although we won the clearances by a pretty substantial margin, they looked to have the more beneficial clearances. So often they would have a player leave the front of the stoppage early (often Butters or Rozee) and they would get away with speed and give their forwards good opportunities. Didn’t seem like we had as many where we got out the front of the stoppage

Clearances / Effective Clearances
WB: 47 / 37 (79%)
PA: 31 / 27 (87%)

Scores From Stoppages
WB: 6.3 (39)
PA. 6.3 (39)

Very high efficiency from Port on the clearance front.

 

[Munnez]

How the * could that idiot overturn for shepherding on the goal line? every single shepherd should now be called a free against and goal disallowed

Generally not a conspiracy theorist but if you were that way inclined. Could easily surmised that the umpires were told to ensure a Port win to continue there remarkable run.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Another cooked season.. bevo I think it’s time for you to go

 

[Sentinel]

Generally not a conspiracy theorist but if you were that way inclined. Could easily surmised that the umpires were told to ensure a Port win to continue there remarkable run.

Hanlon's razor. They were just trash, there is no conspiracy against us.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Much the same can be said about West and Weightman, they just cannot apply any forward pressure and retain the ball. It was flying out of their way too quickly and Port were off to the races.

When it’s all your forwards surely you have to stop looking at individuals and turn your attention to the coaching.

 

[Some Idiot]

Generally not a conspiracy theorist but if you were that way inclined. Could easily surmised that the umpires were told to ensure a Port win to continue there remarkable run.

Williamson (the umpire) seems a bit out of touch, paid the nonsense 50m penalty to us against Gold Coast 2 weeks ago didn't he?

 

[dogwatch]

Just another of Bevs "I'm smarter than everyone else" continued selections.

But he is.

He's the smartest elephant in the room.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Keath is ****ing shit, along with O’Brien, gardner and co, bevo has had years to rectify this situation.. imagine if we didn’t pick up Jones

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I understand that a combination of winning lots of games over 9 seasons, wanting to recruit old players from other clubs to top up to win the flag, and getting a pick 1 and 2 with points has meant we have not had the mid-tier turnover of standard late 1st, 2nd and early 3 round 18 year old draft picks that every other club has had.

But at the same time, the emphasis on getting players who can be a bit tough, win a contest and follow roles instead of players that can execute kicking and manipulate space.

In some respects what we've done has worked. We're a top 4 team by many defensive measures, and both the act of defending but the act of winning contests and dominating possession helps that defence.

But it comes at the cost of forward nous and kicking skill. We miss targets by foot. Our players lack confidence and vision in kicking. And our players don't know how to move in relation to each other ahead of the ball to make the kicking of their teammates easier.

Look at Port. Williams is a lowish pick, and has some weaknesses, but can kick the footy. That's the player we don't have.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Our Clubs 140 year anniversary tonight and they dish this up

 

[dogwatch]

I haven't seen Rylee West's name mentioned yet. What do people think of his game? To me, he lacks pace and agility. He's a good kick for goal but just doesn't impact enough. I've got serious doubts he's going to make it but at least he should be given a few more games to see if he can settle in to a useful role.

Didn't get big stats but kicked a goal and did a lot of team things which hasn't always been his strength. I agree he's not quick but he's strong and has footy smarts which is not something you can say about each and every one of our small players. Agility is not that bad.

I'll be appalled if he gets dropped after just this one game again when others are given a chance to settle in and get comfortable in their role and adapt to the pace of the seniors.

His ceiling is not all that high but I'd certainly have him in the side ahead of Hannan, McComb, etc. And also Arty Jones right now.

EDIT: Forgot to say he only had 67%game time (less than Arty). Thanks to Afro_dog for pointing that out.

 

[Lee]

Almost the same as last week, (in fact the margin was the same) first half shootout then let them kick away in the 3rd and never recovered. But its the same old ****ing story, too slow going inside 50, can’t kick at goal, can’t defend. Port players just rolling around unmarked and doing what they want. Passengers galore. It’s just ****ing frustrating. TOD spell is over, Arty back to the 2’s, BRUCE ISN’T A DEFENDER, Naughty well idk what to say there

 

[Dogs Rule]

Keath is ******* s**t, along with O’Brien, gardner and co, bevo has had years to rectify this situation.. imagine if we didn’t pick up Jones

But it's OK, the club are happy being a middle of the road side going nowhere. You know, 'we just didn't take our opportunities and have to keep improving'

Can't remember a side that allows so much easy ball from defence through midfield coast to coast as ours. Criminal. Will anything be done about it? Nah, don't be stupid. We're pi**weak on and off the ground.