47 frees, maybe 10 wrong.
Players 168 clangers! Which mistakes cause more goals?
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47 frees, maybe 10 wrong.
Players 168 clangers! Which mistakes cause more goals?
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Exactly. The umpire blows the whistle on a clear high contact in the first quarter. Later your team is pressing in the final two minutes of the game for the win and the umpire let’s go an identical high contact 35 metres out from goal and you lose the match by three points. You’d be stoked with that display of “putting the whistle away”
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This raises another problem of whistle hesitancy. Umpires seem less inclined to award a free kick within easy scoring range.
(Cody notwithstanding.)
I suppose it could be argued that a free kick 30m directly in front is a far harsher penalty than a free kick on the HBF. However that has never been a consideration for interpretation of the AFL Laws.
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Was thinking about that myself after I saw the replay of the incident at half time. Should have been a free for blocking his run at the ball as per the Francis decision
We are a young enough outfit to be able to come up again. If the Cats had of had similar games to ours I would think they were cooked. I just hope it doesn't come down to the last 5 minutes we might be in trouble then.
If the Bont is able to play think we should go alright
The Blicavs non-htb call in the lions game earlier in the year was the perfect example of this. Late in the game, one score between the sides, umpire didn't give it when it would've been given by any umpire anywhere else on the ground in that or any other game. Was a shocker.
Happens in every game though. Grew up with soccer (coming from the UK) and decisions that would've been stonewall penalties in the first minute were play on in injury time. Officials are getting better at ignoring that with them becoming more professional, but it's human nature.
I'd have given the Dale htb without question, because I'd have paid it if it happened in the first, second or third quarter. But I'd also not have paid the Daniel insufficient intent, nor a few of the other ones in the second half - some of which went for us, some against.
Would you pay it even though Rich drove both knees into Dale's back before dragging the ball back in under him when he tried to release it. That decision is not cut and dried at all. Go back and look at it again a couple of times. The knee in the back are obvious and the dragging in not so much but it's there.
I think I would. Maybe I'd be wrong, but if I watched it at full speed for the first time then I would've paid it.
None of us see this like the umps do, without repeat viewings or slow-mo and in the frantic to-and-fro of the game. Maybe it wasn't a free and it was a great decision for the reasons you outline, but at the time I thought it was htb and I'd imagine I wasn't alone.
I also screamed that VDM was done in the back when he kicked the winning point, which was more of a howler imo. He would've taken 30 seconds off the clock and maybe kicked it, basically icing the game. If the ball had bounced more kindly for Cameron 30 seconds later, he rounded Duryea and ran into an open goal I'd have been apoplectic at that. Worked out in the end I suppose.
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The worst umpiring decision in that final quarter was the "in-the-back" against Libba when he rolled Neale. That was an absolute textbook roll by Libba to stay out of his back. I hate to see really good play punished by shit umpiring.
The difference is that the only thing an umpire can do to make up for a clanger is to get all the rest of the calls correct or make an equally bad call for the other team. But fans will only remember the calls that went against their team.47 frees, maybe 10 wrong.
Players 168 clangers! Which mistakes cause more goals?
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Whereas a player has the opportunity to make a spectacular play like say receiving a handball near the boundary 40 meters out on his non-prefered side and kicking a goal to put his team in front. This can make fans forget about or at least forgive the clangers.
Such amateur....
I see that you paid Mrs Hoges a visit at 8am and again at 12pm, you sly dog!
Zorko also pushed roarke smith in the last quarter at the top of the square, I like Charlie Cameron but he does it nearly every contest
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That was tried with another Messiah but he managed to find a way out.
I would have paid Dales. Daniels one shocking but the other one was the OOB by big Oscar. It was a terrible decision. He was trying to tap the ball on to a BL player near the boundary, didn’t execute well and was pinged. Absolutely didn’t intend to put the ball out of bounds. There were bad calls either way but overall umpiring was reasonable.
That was clear as day. Resulted in a direct goal. Roake was in motion to run, jump and spoil the ball but was pulled back and didn’t even get to jump. Was so obvious.
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(Not *the* worst imo, as I've already said...) But absolute howler just the same. The best part of course was that it didn't make one iota of difference.
Libba may as well have gotten a holding the ball free kick.
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Had an interesting chat with a former whistle blower the other day and its something to consider.
Just like the players are playing for a chance to play in a Grand Final, the umpires are also aiming at getting to be in the best 3 umpires of the year to officiate the GF - to get there is pretty important to them and worth some serious $$
Just like we don't want them to make mistakes, they don't want to make mistakes as any howlers could see them dumped ala Razor Ray.
It's easy to criticise, but when you consider to these guys being in charge of the biggest game of the year is akin to playing in it for the players, it puts a new perspective on it
Just like the players are playing for a chance to play in a Grand Final, the umpires are also aiming at getting to be in the best 3 umpires of the year to officiate the GF - to get there is pretty important to them and worth some serious $$
Just like we don't want them to make mistakes, they don't want to make mistakes as any howlers could see them dumped ala Razor Ray.
It's easy to criticise, but when you consider to these guys being in charge of the biggest game of the year is akin to playing in it for the players, it puts a new perspective on it
I agree - it all happened so quickly that I would have said a free kick. It's when you watch it again you can clearly see that Rich infringed with his knees in the back. Once you see it you can't unsee it if you know what I mean.
The Vandermeer no free kick should have been game over right there for the reasons you said... Time off the clock and he more than likely kicks the goal.
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Heard Razor on SEN this morning re the Daniel insufficient intent call.
Razor said the instruction the umps have (rightly or wrongly) is that if a player makes a skill error when they have taken the ball under pressure then there is some leeway for the player. If they do what Caleb did and hack the ball of the ground or in the air, they lose some of the right to make a skill error as they have chosen not to take the ball, and so the decision against Caleb was correct. If he had grabbed the ball then kicked off the side of his foot while being tackled he would have been ok.
I assume the players know the rules? I didn't know that until this morning.
Tough game to umpire!
Razor said the instruction the umps have (rightly or wrongly) is that if a player makes a skill error when they have taken the ball under pressure then there is some leeway for the player. If they do what Caleb did and hack the ball of the ground or in the air, they lose some of the right to make a skill error as they have chosen not to take the ball, and so the decision against Caleb was correct. If he had grabbed the ball then kicked off the side of his foot while being tackled he would have been ok.
I assume the players know the rules? I didn't know that until this morning.
Tough game to umpire!
I think Lee Matthews sums up the umpiring issue very well. This is from SEN:
“Total lunacy:” Matthews insists ‘let it go’ umpiring philosophy is wrong
By Andrew Slevison 9 hours ago
Leigh Matthews has labelled the recent criticism of and conversation surrounding umpiring as “lunacy”.
In the wake of the Semi Finals last weekend, there was much chat regarding the match officials for paying too many free kicks.
There seems to be a ‘let it go’ philosophy from many football watchers who would prefer that the umpires only pay those that are obvious.
Collingwood and Brisbane premiership coach Matthews certainly does not agree with that stance and has urged the umpiring fraternity to continue calling the game as they see it.
“This annoys me,” he said on Sportsday.
“Geelong and the Giants there were 41 free kicks, Lions and Bulldogs there were 47 free kicks. I hear this commentary, ‘Oh, we don’t want that many free kicks in finals’.
“This is lunacy.
“Is the game going to be better with no free kicks? In 1989 in the best Grand Final probably ever played (between Hawthorn and Geelong), there were 50 free kicks.
“Football is better when the umpires are prepared to blow the whistle.
“It will create controversy because you can disagree with the decision, but this thought that, ‘Let it go, let it go, let it go’, so the umpires don’t blow the whistle is total lunacy.
“I cannot understand that philosophy that some commentators seem to espouse.”
Would the umpiring regime be ordering a ‘put the whistle away’ philosophy this week in order to minimise the criticism?
Matthews believes the game simply needs to be officiated within the guidelines set out so that both umpires and players are on the same page.
“A missed free kick is not as bad as an incorrect paid free kick,” he added.
“When you think of it, if the free kick is there it should be paid. If you don’t pay a free kick, that’s just as bad as paying one that you might look back on as wrong in retrospect.
“There’s always going to be a couple of wrong ones, but I reckon it’s keeping the players honest. If the umpires are prepared to blow the whistle, the players know that and they play to the rules more so because they know they’ll be penalised if they don’t.
“If the umpires are sloppy and don’t blow the whistle, the players get sloppy in the way they play the rules themselves. That’s always been my view of footy.”
“Total lunacy:” Matthews insists ‘let it go’ umpiring philosophy is wrong
By Andrew Slevison 9 hours ago
Leigh Matthews has labelled the recent criticism of and conversation surrounding umpiring as “lunacy”.
In the wake of the Semi Finals last weekend, there was much chat regarding the match officials for paying too many free kicks.
There seems to be a ‘let it go’ philosophy from many football watchers who would prefer that the umpires only pay those that are obvious.
Collingwood and Brisbane premiership coach Matthews certainly does not agree with that stance and has urged the umpiring fraternity to continue calling the game as they see it.
“This annoys me,” he said on Sportsday.
“Geelong and the Giants there were 41 free kicks, Lions and Bulldogs there were 47 free kicks. I hear this commentary, ‘Oh, we don’t want that many free kicks in finals’.
“This is lunacy.
“Is the game going to be better with no free kicks? In 1989 in the best Grand Final probably ever played (between Hawthorn and Geelong), there were 50 free kicks.
“Football is better when the umpires are prepared to blow the whistle.
“It will create controversy because you can disagree with the decision, but this thought that, ‘Let it go, let it go, let it go’, so the umpires don’t blow the whistle is total lunacy.
“I cannot understand that philosophy that some commentators seem to espouse.”
Would the umpiring regime be ordering a ‘put the whistle away’ philosophy this week in order to minimise the criticism?
Matthews believes the game simply needs to be officiated within the guidelines set out so that both umpires and players are on the same page.
“A missed free kick is not as bad as an incorrect paid free kick,” he added.
“When you think of it, if the free kick is there it should be paid. If you don’t pay a free kick, that’s just as bad as paying one that you might look back on as wrong in retrospect.
“There’s always going to be a couple of wrong ones, but I reckon it’s keeping the players honest. If the umpires are prepared to blow the whistle, the players know that and they play to the rules more so because they know they’ll be penalised if they don’t.
“If the umpires are sloppy and don’t blow the whistle, the players get sloppy in the way they play the rules themselves. That’s always been my view of footy.”
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Except people on here don’t want frees to be “let go”. They want us to not get any and our opponents to get more. 
Wonder if the boys have been vaccinated?
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It won't happen until after our season ends.
Wasn't it a condition from McGowan to have the GF in Perth?
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