News Dr Bridie O'Donnell elected to the board

[Kappa]

I believe that none of us (including you) have no idea how it actually played out.

So when you hear the boss of an organisation say "I strongly wanted a female in this role", then they hire a female for the role, and then it comes out that MASSIVE government funding was ENTIRELY dependant on them hiring a female for that role... You believe gender had nothing to do with their appointment?...

The mental hurdles you need to jump through to come to that conclusion, when you could just literally look at the facts in front of you and add 1+1 to get 2... People like Jackcass are incapable of that because they are trapped in their own agenda's, hopefully others have more brains.

 

[jathanas]

Seriously? It's not as if she isn't qualified for a board appointment. She was selected from something like 80-90 applicants and if the scuttlebutt is correct was actually in line for the Wilson appointment until her employer delayed that potential, but lets go with the $15M justification. Oh, and it'd more likely be $30M as I'd assume the $15M from the feds would be linked to co-funding confirmation.

In the end, the cash isn't what we stand to lose. It's our credibility when the funds are withdrawn or the location of the sports science facility is changed.

I have no intention of arguing with you about this my friend because I believe that we need to move from the dogma that men are more qualified for senior roles. Your points are hard to invalidate.

She is no doubt qualified but was selected instead of others who would have had the education/training and experience to be deemed qualified as well; we speculate. She might turn out to be a rockstar but there is strong evidence to suggest that the funding was a factor in her selection, that is undeniable.

 

[sideswipe]

I have no intention of arguing with you about this my friend because I believe that we need to move from the dogma that men are more qualified for senior roles. Your points are hard to invalidate.

She is no doubt qualified but was selected instead of others who would have had the education/training and experience to be deemed qualified as well; we speculate. She might turn out to be a rockstar but there is strong evidence to suggest that the funding was a factor in her selection, that is undeniable.

Pretty much every facet of my life relies on the idea that white Anglo males do it better. I don’t think that idea should be so readily discarded.


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[jathanas]

Pretty much every facet of my life relies on the idea that white Anglo males do it better. I don’t think that idea should be so readily discarded.


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Not true about everything. White Anglos are devoid of rhythm and are seemingly incapable of dance.

 

[sideswipe]

Not true about everything. White Anglos are devoid of rhythm and are seemingly incapable of dance.

Don't you dare disrespect Riverdance.

 

[Billys Back]

That's the point ffs, we'll never know because the board only seriously considered females for that position. How the fu** do you STILL Not grasp this concept? Whilst other clubs appoint board members based on ability, we're stuck appointing based on quotas, which objectively leaves us with a weaker board.

Imagine if we were the only club in the AFL to have a gender quota on assistant coaches, do you think that would be beneficial for us?

Wow, you have no idea do you? You are very blind to not understand how important it is to actually have a blend of gender, experience, background, age etc on a board.
If the board is made up predominantly of males, then they should specifically add a female and then the best credentialed female to take that role.

 

[Doc1763]

Not true about everything. White Anglos are devoid of rhythm and are seemingly incapable of dance.

And they can't jump

 

[jackcass]

I'm glad I've realized you have never ever worked in a corporate environment, and are likely still in school...

While I take no pleasure in continually having to correct your oft incorrect posts, I can appreciate just how galling it must be for you now that I know you think you're continually being corrected by a poster you believe likely to still be in school. I guess it's apt as I'm essentially playing the role of teacher.

 

[jackcass]

I have no intention of arguing with you about this my friend because I believe that we need to move from the dogma that men are more qualified for senior roles. Your points are hard to invalidate.

She is no doubt qualified but was selected instead of others who would have had the education/training and experience to be deemed qualified as well; we speculate. She might turn out to be a rockstar but there is strong evidence speculation to suggest that the funding was a factor in her selection, that is undeniable.

What is undeniable is that there is speculation.

I'm not disputing that gender may have played some minor role but when you short list half a dozen candidates from an initial list of 80-90, then they're all likely very very good candidates, all very highly qualified, all offering specific skill sets. If gender then becomes a consideration and what differentiates them then I don't see that as the negative some here portray. Of greater import to me is that we've added sports science expertise to the board. Something we've lacked since Kennedy unless I'm mistaken. Without knowing who the other candidates were who made the shortlist, it's purely guesswork as to whether gender or the skill set offered drove the final decision. If an added benefit was that we were able to secure $15M in state and another $15M in federal funding then all the better that we did opt for a female.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

And they can't jump

Sure… but sometimes when you lose, you actually win.

 

[Kappa]

While I take no pleasure in continually having to correct your oft incorrect posts, I can appreciate just how galling it must be for you now that I know you think you're continually being corrected by a poster you believe likely to still be in school. I guess it's apt as I'm essentially playing the role of teacher.

Yes, I do now that I know.

 

[Kappa]

Wow, you have no idea do you? You are very blind to not understand how important it is to actually have a blend of gender, experience, background, age etc on a board.
If the board is made up predominantly of males, then they should specifically add a female and then the best credentialed female to take that role.

Fair enough, do you also support adding a Muslim to the board for those very same reasons? How about a 19 year old? We don't have any of those.

 

[Billys Back]

Fair enough, do you also support adding a Muslim to the board for those very same reasons? How about a 19 year old? We don't have any of those.

Disturbing

 

[Kappa]

Disturbing

So we only need a difference in gender, but not different backgrounds experiences and ages? Which is literally exactly what you said? rofl.

 

[Billys Back]

So we only need a difference in gender, but not different backgrounds experiences and ages? Which is literally exactly what you said? rofl.

You really should have stayed in school.
If you think 'different backgrounds' only refers to religious beliefs, and age in a boardroom situation is a teenager, then you really are dumb.
We just can't help someone who is so simple. I suggest you ask your folks.

 

[Kappa]

You really should have stayed in school.
If you think 'different backgrounds' only refers to religious beliefs, and age in a boardroom situation is a teenager, then you really are dumb.
We just can't help someone who is so simple. I suggest you ask your folks.

I don't think that it "only" refers to that at all, and I've never ever suggested anything even remotely like that you absolute muppet. You said we need a blend of different people and quotas for minority's like women are good, so why not have a quota for muslims too? Answer that without deflecting you genius.

Does a minimum number of Muslim's on our board made you uncomfortable? Do we only need quota's for one underrepresented group but not others?

 

[Billys Back]

I don't think that it "only" refers to that at all, and I've never ever suggested anything even remotely like that you absolute muppet. You said we need a blend of different people and quotas for minority's like women are good, so why not have a quota for muslims too? Answer that without deflecting you genius.

Are women 'minorities'?
I've learnt if someone like yourself struggles with basic concepts it's not worth wasting my time. Maybe go back and read the posts slowly and have a think about your comments.

 

[jathanas]

What is undeniable is that there is speculation.

I'm not disputing that gender may have played some minor role ...

Let's negotiate, I'd suggest we're well past the realm of speculation and have moved into the land of circumstantial evidence. Gender played more than a minor role and that might be a good thing. Time will tell.

 

[Kappa]

Are women 'minorities'?
I've learnt if someone like yourself struggles with basic concepts it's not worth wasting my time. Maybe go back and read the posts slowly and have a think about your comments.

In terms of board positions, women make up less than 10%, so yes... In this situation, women are minorities... It's really a very basic concept.

So now answer my question, you think quota's for women on boards is good because they're underrepresented, so what about our Muslim community?

 

[sr36]

Ah, so you expected the club to publicly state "we didn't seriously consider male candidates because we needed a female candidate to fulfil a quota"... THAT'S your evidence? The club saying "we strongly wanted a female candidate but we considered all candidates" means, for those who are slow or young, that they were only ever going to pick a female candidate. Having to explain this to you feels like primary school for some reason. Just stop posting and think for yourself for one second.

I've been on several selection panels where we went in wanting a particular gender or age, but walked away with the opposite, because they were the applicants we considered to be the best.

 

[jackcass]

Let's negotiate, I'd suggest we're well past the realm of speculation and have moved into the land of circumstantial evidence. Gender played more than a minor role and that might be a good thing. Time will tell.

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I don't see that we've progressed beyond speculation. When these familiar sources have names we might get there.

 

[jackcass]

I've been on several selection panels where we went in wanting a particular gender or age, but walked away with the opposite, because they were the applicants we considered to be the best.

Ditto. We were always desperate to recruit males to work in the disability sector in direct care roles and generally ended up appointing females because they were the best candidates.

 

[jackcass]

Well in fairness $15 million will help hone your recognition skills.

They've been moving toward greater female representation on the board for quite some time, but now with the appointment of O'Donnell it seems to suddenly have become an issue. Where was all this dialogue when Holgate was appointed? Where was it when Sizer was appointed? Do you think the desire of the board through both those appointments was any different?

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

They've been moving toward greater female representation on the board for quite some time, but now with the appointment of O'Donnell it's to suddenly have become an issue. Where was all this dialogue when Holgate was appointed? Where was it when Sizer was appointed? Do you think the desire of the board through both those appointments was any different?

The circumstances of O'Donnell's appointment caused issues, unlike Holgate and Sizer.

• She wasn't an eligible member to sit on the board at this stage.
• She isn't a supporter of the club.

 

[sr36]

Well in fairness $15 million will help hone your recognition skills.

Yep. You've got a big head start in the "best fit" stakes if you bring in $15 million. Just as having business connections that could net the club better contracts would be helpful - I don't think anyone would be quibbling if corporate connections helped to get someone over the line, as it so often does.